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Nvidia releases AMD FSR alternative called NIS (Nvidia Image Scaling)
- Thread starter Bernd Lauert
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
damn nvida is killing it , so many options.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
More reason not to spend a shit ton of money on a gpu upgrade considering the chip crysis and prices. Good on them.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Nice, now get it in RPCS3 and all the other emulators please.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Wait so AMD FSR wasn't trying to out do DLSS?
They already have DLSS whats the difference between this and NIS?
They already have DLSS whats the difference between this and NIS?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
NIS doesn't need dedicated hardware. It works on all graphics cards.
winjer
Gold Member
From what they say, this works with all nVidia graphics cards and with all games.
All it's necessary is to enable it in the drivers or in GeForce Experience.
Being able to enable NIS in all games is very good, even considering that it's not as good as DLSS 2.3
We have to wait for nVidia to release these new drivers, to see exactly what it does.
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Mister Wolf
Member
AMD ain't got nothing for these dudes. They stay on AMD neck.
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nightmare-slain
Member
hold up.
i thought FSR was AMDs response to DLSS? or am i thinking of something else?
i thought FSR was AMDs response to DLSS? or am i thinking of something else?
HermitSperg691
Banned
Nice, Nvidia actually did something nice for all of us instead of making a proprietary solution to sell new video cards.
winjer
Gold Member
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HermitSperg691
Banned
Are they stupid? I can't set image scaling for individual games. Only sharpening.
Buggy Loop
Member
Implemented at a driver level, as FSR should have been considering the concept behind it is much more simple than DLSS.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
FSR was NEVER a DLSS competitor, it was an alternative, a different type of scaling, more simpler.
AMD is still working on a DLSS competitor.
The Intel solution XeSS is a true DLSS competitor (developed by the same person).
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Gonna have to mess around with this. Might give my kids 1060 and 1660 some extra life.
ethomaz
Banned
FSR just like NIS is a image scaling and sharpening filter.
DLSS is an AI rendering image tech.
I mean FSR and DLSS have basically nothing in common except maybe both are related to image?
ethomaz
Banned
Something else… Intel option XeLL is.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
This has to be implemented by devs too, it's right there in the OP.
FSR is just an upscaler that works on the current frame with no other information like what is happening or where things are moving, whereas DLSS uses motion vector data etc to use machines learning to render a higher resolution image instead of just upscaling the image that's there basically. DLSS is waaaaaaay smarter and better than FSR, but also requires developers to integrate it into their engines much deeper. FSR and now this are basically tick boxes for them to tick.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Yes and no.
This works at driver level, so for Nvidia GPU users it's a setting in the control panel that lets it work for any game - set a resolution in-game, and NIS will scale it to your monitor's native (or desktop resolution).
AMD or Intel GPU users don't have an Nvidia control panel or Nvidia drivers, so they would be SOL... except NIS is open-source, so developers of any game out there are free to implement it directly into their games, like FSR, making it work on any GPU for those games.
ethomaz
Banned
Not with nVidia GPUs... it is at driver level and can be used to any game without any dev change.
You choose to use or not.
Now to use outside nVidia GPUs you have to either wait the AMD/Intel to implement at drive level or the dev implment in game specific.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
It's already driver level. You just have to have Nvidia drivers. I.e., an Nvidia GPU.
Mister Wolf
Member
I don't understand how someone would even consider buying an AMD GPU.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Should work with every game. You turn it on, start game, pick let's say 720p and it's auto to 1080p.
ethomaz
Banned
Yes... game pass is just the subscription model.
PS. Of course it only works right now with nVidia GPUs.
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MaKTaiL
Member
For me personally, I thought the reference 6800-6900 looked cool vs nvidia reference and they were small enough to fit in my sffpc (the nvidia fan layout would have been an issue. The performance is more than good enough for my use case.
This is my first AMD gpu and I’m not sure what the Nvidia vs AMD bs is about.
edit: dammit this was to quote the dude that asked why someone would want an AMD GPU.
This is my first AMD gpu and I’m not sure what the Nvidia vs AMD bs is about.
edit: dammit this was to quote the dude that asked why someone would want an AMD GPU.
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Reallink
Member
Congrats, you paid about the same price for 50-100%+ lower performance in titles with RT and DLSS.
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Pagusas
Elden Member
Ohhhh wonderful! I thought this was just like AMD’s which has to be done on the game level, not driver level.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Not if you install their drivers on your AMD card? no?
manfestival
Member
Been watching a few videos of dlss vs fsr. While FSR is still in 1.0 and DLSS is at 2.2. It is hard to tell the differences between the two at the highest 2 settings. FSR only really loses ground outside of ultra quality and quality to DLSS. Maybe that is where the tensor core advantage comes in or the disadvantage of the first generation of the software is at. Though at the end of the day DLSS in it's current state is better than FSR but if that is the only conclusion that you draw then you miss the point(since you can just run the games in ultra or quality within FSR). This NIS just seems like a silly jab at AMD. So now Nvidia offers 2 resolution scaling software options, neat. Still needs to be implemented just like DLSS and FSR before it becomes relevant.
ethomaz
Banned
Is it will even work?
I mean Windows doesn't allow you to install a nVidia drive in a AMD device.
You can install the Package downloaded on nVidia site but the drive won't be installed (it will be in the local windows driver database so when you put a nVidia GPU it will automatically install that driver to that GPU)... the drive is installed when in your Windows Device it shows the device with the driver you installed (it should shows a nVidia GPU device there if you have a nVidia GPU).
The nVidia driver installed required a nVidia GPU hardware.
If you try an AMD hardware and choose to Update Driver Software... manually with a nVidia driver it will give you error.
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
It's really a stark difference in some scenes vs a small difference in others.
Ezquimacore
Banned
Gonna try this, even their old image scaling/sharpening is great when you play 1080p/1440p games on 4k monitors.
manfestival
Member
Not from all of the comparison videos I have seen. Though there is a caveat of watching it in compressed videos on youtube versus actually seeing stuff in person where smaller details certainly can be more noticeable. Which was notated in one of the videos I watched. The biggest differences only seem to appear when comparing anything under quality in FSR to the DLSS equivalent. DLSS is far better, even with it's janky presentation. Granted this is just from taking their opinions and information as presented to me since I just do not use image scaling nor have I even when I got my 2080 back in 2018.
Side note: The image scaling in Halo Infinite is fantastic
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I was pulling your leg.
Maybe somebody will work something out from the SDK, it's supposed to be multiplatform.
I wonder if someone could do something like that for the desktop (for sh*ts and giggles).