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[QisTopTier]

So what's the counterbalance to this?

You can only really combo off throws in the corner or with meter.

Spoiler

When the fuck don't you have meter in GG I don't know

to the other guilty gear games? the airthrow/throw range in those games is already pretty small

I played Ky and Jam :3

 

[mbpm1]

nope. not even the heartstone people I believe. looks like they're in the same list of people who dont pay out like Revelations

Sanford got paid because he insisted on upfront cash.

Stay free, everyone else.

 

[Rotanibor]

http://www.twitch.tv/rotanibor is LIVE with the Pre-Top 8 Footage of Vampire Savior @ EVO2014! This was not previously streamed, and will be aired for the first time right now!

 

[petghost]

Wait, you can't break throws in Xrd?

i thought you played +r? they might as well be fucking untechable in that game too, i think the window is like 2 frames after the first person inputs throw so its almost an always accident.

that said, throws in gear are fine. i think i might prefer them to throws in BB? they feel honest. also they generally lead to quite a bit less damage.

 

[enzo_gt]

So has anyone actually attempted taking legal action against various TOs that owe them money? Revelations/VxG/ESGN? What are the snags to doing so or is there a good reason why all of these people get away with owing people money in the thousands?

I mean, some of these dudes' livelihoods depend on their income from winning or placing in tournaments. Not many, but usually those that end up in these events.

 

[EarlyEarly]

So has anyone actually attempted taking legal action against various TOs that owe them money? Revelations/VxG/ESGN? What are the snags to doing so or is there a good reason why all of these people get away with owing people money in the thousands?

I mean, some of these dudes' livelihoods depend on their income from winning or placing in tournaments. Not many, but usually those that end up in these events.

The cost of the lawyer is probably more than how much the person is owed.

And I'm not sure if it's possible for one person or a third party who would foot the bill to get everyone else paid. Plus I'm sure there are a bunch of cross state laws and policies and shit.

Also: I laugh when people say they're under contract to EMP and they might get sued if they breach contract. Triforce ain't suing shit.

 

[Busaiku]

i thought you played +r? they might as well be fucking untechable in that game too, i think the window is like 2 frames after the first person inputs throw so its almost an always accident.

that said, throws in gear are fine. i think i might prefer them to throws in BB? they feel honest. also they generally lead to quite a bit less damage.

Throws are super easy to call a bunch of times.
I get destroyed all the time cause it's my go to reversal.

 

[kirblar]

So has anyone actually attempted taking legal action against various TOs that owe them money? Revelations/VxG/ESGN? What are the snags to doing so or is there a good reason why all of these people get away with owing people money in the thousands?

I mean, some of these dudes' livelihoods depend on their income from winning or placing in tournaments. Not many, but usually those that end up in these events.

When there's no money to be found, its not worth it.

 

[RockTurtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVD9KYF7TWU

CORN has a message for triforce

 

[Deckard Cain]

So has anyone actually attempted taking legal action against various TOs that owe them money? Revelations/VxG/ESGN? What are the snags to doing so or is there a good reason why all of these people get away with owing people money in the thousands?

I mean, some of these dudes' livelihoods depend on their income from winning or placing in tournaments. Not many, but usually those that end up in these events.

Considering FGC Tournaments are illegal, well yes.

 

[Village]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVD9KYF7TWU

CORN has a message for triforce

Those comments tho.

 

[That Dude John]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVD9KYF7TWU

CORN has a message for triforce

/dead @ NES

 

[Busaiku]

Yeah, most tournaments would probably fall under illegal gambling, so good luck getting anywhere.

 

[CurlyW]

Yeah, most tournaments would probably fall under illegal gambling, so good luck getting anywhere.

Not really, because they're games of skill.

Gambling implies betting money on random events (or at least events over which you have no control).

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Not really, because they're games of skill.

Gambling implies betting money on random events.

so no gambling on Marvel I guess

 

[Infinite]

Those comments tho.

HANnn

 

[Deckard Cain]

Not really, because they're games of skill.

Gambling implies betting money on random events (or at least events over which you have no control).

Except the law does not see it that way.

 

[CurlyW]

Except the law does not see it that way.

If only there were a lawyer that occasionally posts here that could solve this for us.

 

[kirblar]

Except the law does not see it that way.

This may be the stupidest thing you've ever written.

MTG has tournaments worldwide without issue. You can run tournament-style poker in many places without an issue where you couldn't run a traditional "walk up and use money" game. The US is not Japan. Entry-based pots are just fine.

 

[Deckard Cain]

If only there were a lawyer that occasionally posts here that could solve this for us.

I'll summon him. He's just like Beetlejuice, watch.

UltraDavid UltraDavid ULTRADAVID!!!!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EO1x632BzSQ

 

[Infinite]

This may be the stupidest thing you've ever written.

MTG has tournaments worldwide without issue. You can run tournament-style poker in many places without an issue where you couldn't run a traditional "walk up and use money" game. The US is not Japan. Entry-based pots are just fine.

Yeah. This aint Japan dude.

 

[Deckard Cain]

This may be the stupidest thing you've ever written.

MTG has tournaments worldwide without issue. You can run tournament-style poker in many places without an issue where you couldn't run a traditional "walk up and use money" game. The US is not Japan. Entry-based pots are just fine.

You are very wrong sir. You can not put up money in a pool of people to win more money it is illegal. Only way it works is if there is a PRIZE of money at the end that is not effected by enterants.

 

[Vice]

Except the law does not see it that way.

Depends on the state. Iirc, two states ban monetary prizes for game tournaments.

Edit: it's the reason Virgin Gaming can have online cash tournaments and money matches outside of those two states.

 

[JeTmAn81]

Fanatiq is back playing Marvel with Knives!

Http://www.twitch.tv/MrFanatiq

 

[mbpm1]

You are very wrong sir. You can not put up money in a pool of people to win more money it is illegal. Only way it works is if there is a PRIZE of money at the end that is not effected by enterants.

Where does it say that?

 

[Infinite]

My girlfriend was curious about this Triforce mess so I told her to watch the King of Chinatown. She looked at it for like a minute and said "His braids are dusty." I couldn't stop laughing.

 

[Seyavesh]

Where does it say that?

 

[UltraDavid]

So has anyone actually attempted taking legal action against various TOs that owe them money? Revelations/VxG/ESGN? What are the snags to doing so or is there a good reason why all of these people get away with owing people money in the thousands?

the snag with revelations was that the dude had zero dollars and a civil lawsuit can't get money where there is no money. the snag with vxg is that it's a government sponsored thing in a semi-sovereign country with some unusual laws.

If only there were a lawyer that occasionally posts here that could solve this for us.

in the us the laws about what's a game of skill and what's illegal gambling vary state to state, but in general they allow video game competitions. some have more restrictions like that the prize pool be separate from the entrance fees, but again that's not common either. wouldn't it be bizarre if like, the cops busted up the $10 million dollar event going on over in seattle right now? or the gigantic fighting game tournament in vegas last week? or the huge lol thing going on in california? or the many many other events that are big enough to get covered in local news media?



edit: whatchall think about this usf4 tier list?

 

[Kumubou]

in the us the laws about what's a game of skill and what's illegal gambling vary state to state, but in general they allow video game competitions. wouldn't it be bizarre if like, the cops busted up the $10 million dollar event going on over in seattle right now? or the gigantic fighting game tournament in vegas last week? or the huge lol thing going on in california? or the many many other events that are big enough to get covered in local news media? you don't hear about that happening because those events are usually not illegal.

It's not entirely settled, though. I live in Arizona and and while I can sign up and play online through Virgin Gaming, MLG won't accept entrants for online or live tournaments from anyone living in AZ... and from the limited research I've done, I have no idea what the discrepancy is.

 

[Deckard Cain]

the snag with revelations was that the dude had zero dollars and a civil lawsuit can't get money where there is no money. the snag with vxg is that it's a government sponsored thing in a semi-sovereign country with some unusual laws.



in the us the laws about what's a game of skill and what's illegal gambling vary state to state, but in general they allow video game competitions. some have more restrictions like that the prize pool be separate from the entrance fees, but again that's not common either. wouldn't it be bizarre if like, the cops busted up the $10 million dollar event going on over in seattle right now? or the gigantic fighting game tournament in vegas last week? or the huge lol thing going on in california? or the many many other events that are big enough to get covered in local news media?

Thank you.

 

[Deckard Cain]

As usual UltraDavid has Claw too high.

 

[QisTopTier]

Hakan is right where he should be

 

[Infinite]

Why Makoto so high? Not that I disagree or agree with her placement I just want to hear the reasoning behind it.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

So has anyone actually attempted taking legal action against various TOs that owe them money? Revelations/VxG/ESGN? What are the snags to doing so or is there a good reason why all of these people get away with owing people money in the thousands?

I mean, some of these dudes' livelihoods depend on their income from winning or placing in tournaments. Not many, but usually those that end up in these events.

Myself and my teammates cannot afford a lawyer and have no idea how we'd go about beginning the process of suing a foreign government.

 

[Sayad]

edit: whatchall think about this usf4 tier list?

Makoto have way too many bad match-ups to be top tier... Well, at least not Yun level of top tier-ness.

 

[Marz]

the snag with revelations was that the dude had zero dollars and a civil lawsuit can't get money where there is no money. the snag with vxg is that it's a government sponsored thing in a semi-sovereign country with some unusual laws.



in the us the laws about what's a game of skill and what's illegal gambling vary state to state, but in general they allow video game competitions. some have more restrictions like that the prize pool be separate from the entrance fees, but again that's not common either. wouldn't it be bizarre if like, the cops busted up the $10 million dollar event going on over in seattle right now? or the gigantic fighting game tournament in vegas last week? or the huge lol thing going on in california? or the many many other events that are big enough to get covered in local news media?



edit: whatchall think about this usf4 tier list?

Feel like Abel, Chun, and Bison are way too low.

 

[RockTurtle]

in the us the laws about what's a game of skill and what's illegal gambling vary state to state, but in general they allow video game competitions. some have more restrictions like that the prize pool be separate from the entrance fees, but again that's not common either. wouldn't it be bizarre if like, the cops busted up the $10 million dollar event going on over in seattle right now? or the gigantic fighting game tournament in vegas last week? or the huge lol thing going on in california? or the many many other events that are big enough to get covered in local news media?



edit: whatchall think about this usf4 tier list?

GUY that low? Makoto that high? UD this isn't a tier list, it's a wish list!

 

[Deckard Cain]

Http://tinyurl.com/lsrtzuh

Hmmmm?

 

[Myn]

I'm just curious, what made ERyu unviable and unpopular in AE? I remember pre-2012 update he was in the mid-low tier along with Oni. Did people just not realize his potential until late into v.2012?

 

[QisTopTier]

I feel like Yun is overblown right now. He's top 10 still though but not king imo.

I wont post my top 10 though cause I don't want people to think I'm crazy like they typically do til things happen

 

[N4Us]

I'm just curious, what made ERyu unviable and unpopular in AE? I remember pre-2012 update he was in the mid-low tier along with Oni. Did people just not realize his potential until late into v.2012?

YUN YUN YUN YUN YUN YUN VIPER SETH YUN YUN

 

[irfaanator]

at least deejay doesn't have faults loool

 

[Rhapsody]

I feel like Yun is overblown right now. He's top 10 still though but not king imo.

I wont post my top 10 though cause I don't want people to think I'm crazy like they typically do til things happen

If people see you put Poison in top 10, then yes. They will think you're crazy.

 

[petghost]

what do you guys think of makoto in usf4?i guess she can make good use of red focus, but i figure a lot of that meter is gonna go into EX fukiage because the mixup off that is excellent. tsurugi being unfsafe is not a huge deal imo and as far as i know there are no visual or audio tells as to whether it is a lk/mk or hk tsurugi so that helps. i think getting her ultras nerfed hurts.

i think she is around the same but i'm also hella ignorant.

 

[QisTopTier]

If people see you put Poison in top 10, then yes. They will think you're crazy.

I didnt

 

[Uraizen]

Of course if you have access to forums ask and anyone not giving advice towards new players on help getting a starter character for them or brushing off said player is a complete fuckwad.

This is my biggest issue when getting into new fighters in general or trying to improve yourself in the current game you play. Luckily not everybody is like that, but I haven't run into enough people like that.

The DLC characters for BBCP is more expensive than I thought.

And yet, I keep buying them. I am part of the problem.

I'm going to be playing Attack on Cataclysm a lot after it comes out.

Until then, I plan to be playing the old version of the game to learn as much about it as I can. If you didn't know, a completed version of Yatagarasu (v4.3) is available and can be purchased via Rice Digital for 8 pounds (which is about $13). It has the original 8 characters and online play.

The game is indeed quite good, but I have yet to try the online. How is it?

Well I consider Xrd to be around P4A levels of problems I just forgive it cause I'm bias and love the characters and gameplay.

Arc, you're lucky I love playing as Chipp so much.

I feel like Yun is overblown right now. He's top 10 still though but not king imo.

I wont post my top 10 though cause I don't want people to think I'm crazy like they typically do til things happen

You always have some weird tier lists. PM it to me if you won't post it.

 

[hitsugi]

I'm just curious, what made ERyu unviable and unpopular in AE? I remember pre-2012 update he was in the mid-low tier along with Oni. Did people just not realize his potential until late into v.2012?

The first answer would be Akuma, Cammy and Yun. I don't think anyone felt a need to bother if they needed an alt / strong character.

The second would be most of Evil Ryu's potential was discovered a late - possibly thanks to Sako, with hit confirm into axe kick FADC stuff that (even now) no one can do consistently enough... including Sako.

 

[Rice-Eater]

I'm just curious, what made ERyu unviable and unpopular in AE? I remember pre-2012 update he was in the mid-low tier along with Oni. Did people just not realize his potential until late into v.2012?

He was a legit low or low mid tier in AE. I main'd him in that version and the struggle was most definitely real. He had Akuma health and stun without strong enough tools to compensate for it. Since then he has gained a lot of buffs that he didn't have before. Going from AE to USF4 he has

-more health(850>950)
-more stun(850>900)
-more damage on some of his moves
-target combo is actually good now and can be used a frame trap
-LK axe kick has 1 more frame of hit stun which allows people do those FADC combos for more stun and damage
- far MK went from a mediocre poke to a great one
-sweep is faster and now he can end combos into one and go for mix ups
-getting hit by hop kick is now scary, it can lead to tons of damage where as before all it did was 70 damage
-other minor buffs

He's received almost nothing but buffs since he was first introduced while other characters continually stayed the same or got worse which has helped him climb to supposedly being top tier in USF4. The only nerf was to HK axe kick which almost no Evil Ryu player uses outside of a combo ender. And even that was a compensation nerf because it was sped up so you could combo it from a cl. MP.

 

[Professor Beef]

I don't get why people are shocked about Guy sucking.

 

[RockTurtle]

I don't get why people are shocked about Guy sucking.

;-;

he's canonically almost as strong as CODY! why capcom WHY?