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[Jose92]

Maybe he saw the hype for the ps5 showcase so he wanted to balance the equation again




Even though Bloomberg said the estimated bill of materials is about $450 back in Feburary when NAND chips and gddr6 were high in price because of the lockdown in china and the uncertainty of the covid-19.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-with-playstation-5-price-due-to-costly-parts

Update :

 

[hemo memo]

 

[turtlepowa]

No way Sony is making the weaker console more expensive. My prediction: 449 and 399.

 

[tryDEATH]

My bet was always $549 Disc and $499 discless anything more and its a huge uphill battle.

 

[cryptoadam]

Reverse FUD so when 499 comes out seems like a deal.

But I can see 499 and 549 with sony really wanting to push the digi version. Kind like PS3.

Well only a few days to find out. Maybe Sony goes nuts and announces 399

 

[HeresJohnny]

Both these systems are going to struggle mightily at $499. If Sony is thinking a penny over $500 they may as well not even show up. We've already seen this show with the PS3.

 

[sublimit]

Dusk Golem?
399$ confirmed!!

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

If it cost 600$ the ps5....

I can say good bye and welcome to PC gaming

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

$150 for the manufacturing?

Smells like bullshit

 

[Rolla]

Isn't this the guy who knowingly released false information on the other site to "even up" the narrative?

 

[pawel86ck]

Even $599 for this kind of performance it's a steal. SSD itself probably cost around $300 and lets add to that ryzen 8c16th + 16GB + 10TF RDNA2 + big cooling.

 

[Jose92]

Isn't this the guy who knowingly released false information on the other site to "even up" the narrative?

Yes he was the one who released fud to even out the narrative

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/dusk...ed-to-starting-console-wars-demodded.1560905/

 

[BaneIsPain]

Not gonna believe meth head.

 

[WakeTheWolf]

Can't this guy be discredited yet? I'm sick of seeing these supposed rumours and leaks from what is clearly an attention seeker and someone who doesn't have insider information.

 

[hemo memo]

$499 for disc
$399 or $449 for digital

That’s it.

 

[Rolla]

Can't this guy be discredited yet? I'm sick of seeing these supposed rumours and leaks from what is clearly an attention seeker and someone who doesn't have insider information.

FACTS!!!

 

[veterangamerUK]

Why is given space on this forum?

 

[GHG]

Last gasp attempt at getting attention before the truth gets revealed.

 

[prinz_valium]

Seems about right for everything known about the PS5.
Expensive tech.

 

[Rolla]

Why is given space on this forum?

Bloomberg said total cost was $450

Sony reportedly battling to keep PlayStation 5 price down

New PSVR headset set to follow next-gen console

www.theverge.com

Not only that but this higher price console is something Dusk was pushing while also at the very same time, admitting to pushing fud as documented on this very forum.

The Tweet.

The thread.

Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)

Guess we gotta preare for the digital foundry comparisons. Lock if old.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Airbus Jr]

Report from Boomblerg says it cost $450

DuskGollem says it cost $600

One of them has to be lying cos both of them cant be right at the same time

One of them already proven as fud and banned from Era

Il leave it to you guys to judge and decide which one it is

 

[FrozenFlame]

I don't doubt that he knows some stuff from Capcom (and maybe Konami?), but how exactly would he know this? I doubt he has sources inside Sony...

 

[Jose92]

Report from Boomblerg says it cost $450

DuskGollem says it cost $600

One of them has to be lying cos both of them cant be right at the same time

One of them already proven as fud and banned from Era

Il leave it to you guys to judge and decide which one it is

Sorry but he is not banned and was not banned before. He was a mod, but self requested to be demodded as he is taking a paid editorial role on some random website.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Sorry but he is not banned and was not banned before. He was a mod, but self requested to be demodded as he is taking a paid editorial role on some random website.

I see

But no matter what his statement regarding playstation or anything that is not xbox related has become irrelevant and should be dissmised as hes known to spread missinformation

Im honestly quite surprised to see people here are still quoting him

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

No way Sony is making the weaker console more expensive. My prediction: 449 and 399.

Think about it: While the gpu is weaker than series x by about 2 tf, everything else is better e.g. ssd, custom i/o block, custom audio block, wifi6, bt5.1 etlc. These are things that are expensive. Not to mention the cooling solution that is rumoured to be overkill. So while the gpu may be slightly weaker, there are other parts that may very well drive the price up. So I think it is possible that it ends up being expensive than SeX but Sony HAS to keep it u/ 499. Sadly, I feel the price would be 549/449...

 

[Spukc]

If sony wants to compete with less power.
They need to price the ps5 299 dollars
And the discless ps5. 249 or 199 dollars

that will keep them ahead of microsoft otherwise they are doomed.
Also the need tekken8 as a launch game.
And exclusive rights to final fantasy 16

 

[Bryank75]

Guess we will see soon enough, god help this guy if he is wrong. It will look very bad after what he admitted the last time.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I say this as a huge Sony fan, I think this time around their console design is inefficient and won't hit the sweet spot performance v.s. production cost.

Obviously if they price it right for the sales to pick up anyway it will be a pointless discussion as prices will eventually adjust anyway.

One of them has to be lying cos both of them cant be right at the same time

They could both be wrong.

If sony wants to compete with less power.
They need to price the ps5 299 dollars
And the discless ps5. 249 or 199 dollars

I think the discless PS5 could sell for 399, just like last time, and the disc based system around 450... but having a half-gen system selling at 299.99 could shuffle the cards a bit... I'm just not sure people want xboxes to begin with, the xbox one has been on fire sale since the beginning of the generation and it never really caught up (at best in the US it almost held up in sales a couple of months over the last 7 years).

 

[Kenneth Haight]

i can’t imagine this will cost more than Series X. If it does it will be 550 maximum and that is justifiable being in the dominant position with 1st party titles etc. I can see Series X and PS5 both being 500 however with the digital edition being 50 or 100 lower maximum. Not long to wait either way but no way this is costing 600.....hopefully

 

[PhillMeCream]

I’m tired of these so called “leakers”

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Welp, he's been right about several things of late so there's a chance he could be correct on this, too.

I never quite got to understanding the people insisting the system was relatively cheap to produce. For one it needs "higher grade" silicon for the GPU clocks, then there are the costs associated with Tempest Engine and the I/O block hardware, not just in terms of R&D but also the actual BOM costs those will chomp into the budget (even if ultimately money is saved by handling most of that production in-house on those components...at least I think that would be the case).

The BOM itself may not push $600 but if you then consider the associated costs of assembly, QA testing, and marketing broken down per-unit I can see the associative costs hitting near it. Especially once you consider the controller and the features it will have, and the level of quality I'm sure they'd want to achieve with them (i.e don't go putting no cheap-ass mic into that controller!).

Another reason I think he might be right is because the Series S, IMHO, is definitely at a higher BOM relative the retail price, and that system is only providing less than half the graphical performance of PS5 and with both a smaller and slower SSD, more "basic" controller etc. Yet rumors suggest MS are taking a bigger loss on that than even Series X, so the idea Series S BOM could be closer to $350-$400 is possible, then, again, you have to factor in assembly costs and the such. I'd say Series X's BOM is probably either close to $500 or just very slightly north of it, then with the aforementioned assembly, marketing etc. costs per unit it's likely $600 for total production costs or a little north of that.

FWIW I don't think PS5 Digital removing the Blu-Ray disc drive brings BOM prices down much at all; the disc drive would only cost Sony probably $15, maybe $20, since I imagine they could manufacture it themselves plus they wouldn't need to pay the royalty fee (why would they when it is a technology they helped create?)

 

[Bryank75]

One hilarious thing is, why would PlayStation hold out so hard for so long just to price higher?

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Thread just got locked and people were hammering on him in that thread for good reason because actual insiders have info on the BOM and said its lower than MS's and Sony will take the loss

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

One hilarious thing is, why would PlayStation hold out so hard for so long just to price higher?

Sony played the game of chicken just for shits and giggles obviously

 

[quest]

One hilarious thing is, why would PlayStation hold out so hard for so long just to price higher?

Either hoping Microsoft would price high with them. Or build so much hype price won't matter which they I think they have done. They could easily sell out at 599-549 or 549-499. If I'm on the Sony board I would not allow extra losses right now because warriors since it will sell out for a while.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

One hilarious thing is, why would PlayStation hold out so hard for so long just to price higher?

This man gets it. Sony was waiting to see if they could undercut or match MS to not rile up their fans etc. If Sony went first this would be a totally different story

 

[LordCBH]

It won’t be a penny over $499 because Sony arent that tarded

 

[ethomaz]

He posted that to get attention.
He basically confirmed that in ERA.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

He posted that to get attention.
He basically confirmed that in ERA.

Link, wana have a laugh

 

[MasterCornholio]

Welp, he's been right about several things of late so there's a chance he could be correct on this, too.

I never quite got to understanding the people insisting the system was relatively cheap to produce. For one it needs "higher grade" silicon for the GPU clocks, then there are the costs associated with Tempest Engine and the I/O block hardware, not just in terms of R&D but also the actual BOM costs those will chomp into the budget (even if ultimately money is saved by handling most of that production in-house on those components...at least I think that would be the case).

The BOM itself may not push $600 but if you then consider the associated costs of assembly, QA testing, and marketing broken down per-unit I can see the associative costs hitting near it. Especially once you consider the controller and the features it will have, and the level of quality I'm sure they'd want to achieve with them (i.e don't go putting no cheap-ass mic into that controller!).

Another reason I think he might be right is because the Series S, IMHO, is definitely at a higher BOM relative the retail price, and that system is only providing less than half the graphical performance of PS5 and with both a smaller and slower SSD, more "basic" controller etc. Yet rumors suggest MS are taking a bigger loss on that than even Series X, so the idea Series S BOM could be closer to $350-$400 is possible, then, again, you have to factor in assembly costs and the such. I'd say Series X's BOM is probably either close to $500 or just very slightly north of it, then with the aforementioned assembly, marketing etc. costs per unit it's likely $600 for total production costs or a little north of that.

FWIW I don't think PS5 Digital removing the Blu-Ray disc drive brings BOM prices down much at all; the disc drive would only cost Sony probably $15, maybe $20, since I imagine they could manufacture it themselves plus they wouldn't need to pay the royalty fee (why would they when it is a technology they helped create?)

Did you see the update?

 

[Thirty7ven]

Attention whore.

Not surprised the green berets are taking this at face value, common sense has never been their forte.

There’s no way this boy has access, and it won’t take long for him to backtrack.

 

[Badlucktroll]

I am going to listen to the Alice In Chains song “All Secrets Known” when sony drops the price!

 

[ethomaz]

Link, wana have a laugh

The pic in previous post.
IMO for me saying he is not asking for attention just shows he is really asking for attention.

It is not the first time he does that.

PS. I can sent you the link via pm if you wish... I don’t think it is worthy to post a ERA link here in GAF.

 

[Kumomeme]

dont tell me just because recently XSS kind of get mixed reception by developers, so he want to 'balance' things out? lol.

Joke aside I doubt cerny developed the console without estimate the overall cost including retail price. Especially if they are learning from ps3 mistake and ps4's success. Obviously both MS and Sony have limit to maximum price of single unit which is the hardware will be designed around that.

 

[TearInto5th]

I really dont think it will be 600. They have been prepared to lose money on consoles sold since the PS1.

They want a fast transition, and they want it even faster for the DE. I think the DE will be $399 and the disc version will be $499.

It doesn't matter what the drive actually costs, its the perception of the price from the consumers point of view that matters. Sony knows $399 is a sweet spot, and they will make far more money within 12 months off DE users to make up for the loss. This is already a write off in their books.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Did you see the update?

God his tweets rival trumps.
Tweets something
I didnt say that, what I meant to say was.
You're misreading what I said I didnt say that
Im not doing this for hits

 

[Bryank75]

dont tell me just because recently XSS kind of get mixed reception by developers, so he want to 'balance' things out? lol.

Joke aside I doubt cerny developed the console without estimate the overall cost including retail price. Especially if they are learning from ps3 mistake and ps4's success. Obviously both MS and Sony have limit to maximum price of single unit which is the hardware will be designed around that.

Plus, thinking about it the only thing that seemed like it could be expensive is the liquid metal cooling, do we know for sure they are using that?

 

[hemo memo]

A line should be drawn. Him and that Italian dude and Tidux and many more are spreading false information that bring nothing but chaos and derail threads.

 

[Kumomeme]

Plus, thinking about it the only thing that seemed like it could be expensive is the liquid metal cooling, do we know for sure they are using that?

unless the price spike is due to covid 19 and situation at china which is, should also affected Xbox Series X and S

 

[Entroyp]

Capcom is not manufacturing the PS5 so I don’t believe it. Might be an attempt to bring balance to the force or something like that.