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Days Gone Game Director Live Stream Interview Tomorrow
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kyliethicc
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Summary notes of what Jeff Ross said:
- he left for personal reasons, age, future ideas, not because of anything in that article
- there was an idea for a Days Gone 2, there was some early work on it
- never say never about a Days Gone 2 not happening
- Days Gone sold well, more than all other Bend games combined
- its a good game they're proud of, but it has flaws
- the metacritic 70 and the critical reviews did hurt
- they had ideas for a Days Gone shared world online multiplayer game (along with more singleplayer)
- Days Gone started with idea for extra 2 player co-op mode
- Days Gone development was rough and the studio changed a lot over time, new people, new structure
- team and budget basically doubled over the years while making Days Gone
- PS5 games will cost even more to make than PS4 games
- even using outsourcing studios is getting more expensive cuz of bidding wars and limited devs
- he understands the business & PR approach that Sony is taking
- putting games on subscription services later on is cool, can help more people play it
- he likes Game Pass, but has doubts about the longterm business strategy, debt, converting users to profits, etc
- not sure if doing day 1 release on service would work (hasn't done it yet)
- he's happy that Days Gone is going to PC so more people can play it
- putting Uncharted Golden Abyss on PS Plus directly benefited Bend Studio financially
- Sony are very hands off with their studios, don't just chase money
- Shawn Layden, Scott Rohde, Shu Yoshida are all great to work with and love games
- he met Jim Ryan once at a PR thing in London and Jim Ryan threatened to fire anyone who leaked anything
- Herman Hulst did a good job leading Guerrila, he'll be fine
- he loves The Last of Us and The Last of Us Part 2 (he liked the bold story and ideas in 2)
- he likes Neil Druckmann and had fun meeting Troy Baker, did a Joel impression
- they've had a good relationship with Naughty Dog, just a few normal creative issues
- Bend was not becoming a support studio
- he said that rumor is false
- he said that Bend was helping Naughty Dog in a limited way, collaboration he called it
- it was to give some devs at Bend something to do while they had nothing else going on early in pre-pro
- new younger millennial game devs bitch and moan a lot, about everything
- getting to zero crunch is probably impossible but it does need to be managed better and fixed
- he respects Jason and has read his book, likes serious games journalism, devs should be held accountable
- a new Syphon Filter game would not work today, not modern enough, he has no new game design ideas for that
- open world game design needs to improve with better NPCs and better systems
- too many open world games are just a map full of icons for generic quests to do
- he left for personal reasons, age, future ideas, not because of anything in that article
- there was an idea for a Days Gone 2, there was some early work on it
- never say never about a Days Gone 2 not happening
- Days Gone sold well, more than all other Bend games combined
- its a good game they're proud of, but it has flaws
- the metacritic 70 and the critical reviews did hurt
- they had ideas for a Days Gone shared world online multiplayer game (along with more singleplayer)
- Days Gone started with idea for extra 2 player co-op mode
- Days Gone development was rough and the studio changed a lot over time, new people, new structure
- team and budget basically doubled over the years while making Days Gone
- PS5 games will cost even more to make than PS4 games
- even using outsourcing studios is getting more expensive cuz of bidding wars and limited devs
- he understands the business & PR approach that Sony is taking
- putting games on subscription services later on is cool, can help more people play it
- he likes Game Pass, but has doubts about the longterm business strategy, debt, converting users to profits, etc
- not sure if doing day 1 release on service would work (hasn't done it yet)
- he's happy that Days Gone is going to PC so more people can play it
- putting Uncharted Golden Abyss on PS Plus directly benefited Bend Studio financially
- Sony are very hands off with their studios, don't just chase money
- Shawn Layden, Scott Rohde, Shu Yoshida are all great to work with and love games
- he met Jim Ryan once at a PR thing in London and Jim Ryan threatened to fire anyone who leaked anything
- Herman Hulst did a good job leading Guerrila, he'll be fine
- he loves The Last of Us and The Last of Us Part 2 (he liked the bold story and ideas in 2)
- he likes Neil Druckmann and had fun meeting Troy Baker, did a Joel impression
- they've had a good relationship with Naughty Dog, just a few normal creative issues
- Bend was not becoming a support studio
- he said that rumor is false
- he said that Bend was helping Naughty Dog in a limited way, collaboration he called it
- it was to give some devs at Bend something to do while they had nothing else going on early in pre-pro
- new younger millennial game devs bitch and moan a lot, about everything
- getting to zero crunch is probably impossible but it does need to be managed better and fixed
- he respects Jason and has read his book, likes serious games journalism, devs should be held accountable
- a new Syphon Filter game would not work today, not modern enough, he has no new game design ideas for that
- open world game design needs to improve with better NPCs and better systems
- too many open world games are just a map full of icons for generic quests to do
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
ROFL
Its a sad state of affairs. Back in the day we had a "work hard, play hard" outlook. Because the understanding was that despite the stress and the long hours, the level of discomfort was nothing compared to that our parents and elders had to suffer. So we crunched when we had to and got wasted in our off-time.
Not exactly the "new rock'n'roll" but we got to scratch our creative itch and had fun wherever we could find it. I'm sure that translates in our new pussified culture as being a "boy's club" mentality but it worked, and why the job was worth doing.
Liar
Banned
So basically everything is Jim Ryan's fault again?
ShinraMiddleMananger
Banned
What is scary is subjective. I would argue there is no truly scary game at all
GHG
Gold Member
He has the contacts, history and is still a huge name in the industry.
Unlike those "smash that like button" frauds.
Yselacrey00
Banned
That last line about open world games, I'm looking at you Horizon!
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
True, but we legit might get one next gen or something. Maybe they'll look to revive it in the future because I don't think what Jason is saying might REALLY add up to Sony NEVER making Days Gone 2, for all we know they just don't have a current time frame and what ever ND is working on might be so big, they need the help before Bend moves on with Days Gone 2.
A few reasons might support this.
ND is working on a new IP with their other team, maybe Sony wants all hands on deck on this new IP and wants Bend to work with ND for now.
They also likely will use UE5 for Days Gone 2, as they used 4 for the first game, with it not officially being released, that might be one of the other reasons why Sony wants them on that new IP with ND in the mean time. I think Jason is really uncovering something, but I also don't think he has 100% of the facts. I understand not seeing Days Gone 2 this gen, I'd never understand it if they NEVER did it, that would be quite surprising. Sony has supported titles that have sold worse. I don't feel this is a forever type thing.
The Infectious Paradox
Gold Member
How could a new Syphon Filter not work?? DAMN IT
Fake
Gold Member
lol
Exanthus
Banned
Couldn't help but laugh. First part is true, then roll on the you're fired from Jim Ryan
bitbydeath
Member
Probably due to it not being a big seller.
Jeff said Days Gone sold more copies than all their previous games combined which includes all of the previous Syphon Filter games.
Kerotan
Member
Exactly. Quite a smart move from Sony and if it's true they're now working on a new ip it must have potential if Sony approved it over DG2 which is very popular.
xiskza
Member
Pretty sure he's at Netherealm now
MasterCornholio
Member
I hope they gave them another shot at a AAA game. Days Gone had it's issues but I think they proved that they can make larger titles besides just handheld games with it.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
There was a "shared world multiplayer" future with Days Gone.
Days Gone 2 gets cancelled.
Days Gone 2 developer goes to help Naughty Dog work on Factions multiplayer.
Factions II is going to be a big shared world multiplayer game you f***s!!
Days Gone 2 gets cancelled.
Days Gone 2 developer goes to help Naughty Dog work on Factions multiplayer.
Factions II is going to be a big shared world multiplayer game you f***s!!
longdi
Banned
This made me lol
So Jimbo went to become head of SCE global marketing in 2016, for someone who dont like communicating?
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RareJordan
Member
I’m deeply hurt by the revelation that Days Gone 2 isn’t being made. I was hoping it would be announced in the next year or two. My heart is heavy with sadness. I think I’ll play Days Gone (3rd playthrough) to make me feel better.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
I can see it being greenlit if their new IP is a hit which causes natural growth in the studio where they can split into two teams where one focuses on days gone 2 and the other a sequel to the new IP IF successful
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iorek21
Member
Maybe even before that. A possible success in the PC version can also play a key part in motivating Sony into grennlighting a sequel.
bitbydeath
Member
Jason SchreierDamn who was that guy that called in and trashed the hell out of Days Gone. That was fucked up
Ian Henry
Member
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Outrunner
Member
Where is that?
ToTTenTranz
Banned
From hearing Days Gone's Game Director talking about it, it seems like yes more Days Gone 2.
(edit: typo)
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Fake
Gold Member
Stream.
Orpheum
Member
Thank you so much for this.
Jim Ryan really is a dick huh? Goddamn Shawn Layden, come back. Bring Shu and Andrew House along too. The holy trinity
GymWolf
Gold Member
I'm sorry, i don't understand what you say.
GymWolf
Gold Member
That's a thicc summary over there, good job dude.
Papacheeks
Banned
Shue is still at Sony? He's the reason we got Kena, Stray, Solar Ash, Sifu.
Orpheum
Member
True. I just loved the time when he was a lot more present and vocal during showcases ^^
AdjudicatorHead
Member
Shu has been doing a brilliant job with the Indies so far. Honestly I think this is the best strategy for Sony - get their first party studios to focus on big AAA games, because they are some of the few studios in the world who can deliver blockbuster hit after hit... which is not easy to do. Then fill the smaller title gap with curated, supported, high quality indie titles, which Shu is already killing it with!
Papacheeks
Banned
It's more cost effective than to have smaller studios work on AA type of games. I wish it was the opposite, but when you look at the total of owning a small studio and paying for the space/licenses for tools/software ect. AA studios still cost couple million depending on how big they are and what they are working on.
You need to pay attention to that video when Jeff is talking about Jim Ryan. He was a fan of his when Jim told all the execs in the room not to leak it. It shows he cares and understands like David talked about how leaks for a studios game kills moral, and everything the studio worked on.
To me it shows total respect for the developers. I mean yes it hurts the company image when it leaks, but also things can be taken out of context or misinterpreted. Especially when it's a internal demo not meant for the publc.
I think Jim knows that when a studio shows off their game to anyone it's a big, nerv wrecking deal.
Honestly time will tell, but I think all of this Jim ryan is evil BS might be super overblown. I do agree with Jaffe I think Scott Rohde would be a great fit in Ryan's position. Ryan is up there age wise so who knows if he might be grooming Scott?
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SLB1904
Banned
What a load of trash. Your post I meanThis is your new main character template and you will love it.
SLB1904
Banned
Yep. They never learn
Fake
Gold Member
I still follow Shue on twitter and he even talk to me there. He retweet a loads of japanese games, not to mention he reply indie devs.
IDK what he think about this situation, but based on what he do on twitter he still support Sony Japan and little projects.
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SebastianShaw
Member
This sucks man. Days Gone is in my top 5 of previous generation. Taking a horde was one of the best experiences I ever had in gaming,I fucking hate game reviewers
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SilentUser
Member
This is Sony's strategy, imo. They are differentiating themselves from the competition through having blockbusters titles, which is a hard thing to do from critical and financial perspective, but they are nailing it lately. It took them many years to discover what they are really good at (remember all these FPS titles from PS3 era?), but the PS4 era cemented PS brand as the place to go to play these type of big, cinematic third person games. And that's a very hard strategy to others to copy, honestly, as it takes years to reach that level of quality. That's not, of course, for everyone's taste, luckly it is mine, though.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
I meant that from what I saw in the interview, the Days Gone sequel is likely to come out.
GymWolf
Gold Member
How so?! I read the summary and it looks dead in the water.
Never say never is as encouraging as a girl writing "not a chance" on a napkin instead of her telephone number...
MostScrumptionsYams
Banned
Well
VALCON 82
Member
I see that some.. but mostly what i see on twitter from Shu is what the man is about to eat!! Which i get a kick out of..
ToadMan
Member
X to doubt.
I believe most gave it below average scores because of the derivative story and cookie cutter characters borrowed from other sources. Or to put it another way it got those scores because it deserves those scores....
You may have perceived that as hatred of white males - that’s your incorrect perception.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
This is your new main character template and you will love it.
Maybe it's time for you to retire from gaming if you've got problem with all of these.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I remember personally one critic in one of the vetted ones on Metacritic called it a boring, white dude. So yes, there are racist reviews that got a pass, not sure why. Also EA's BF1 if you type "white man" it turns into "***** ***". AngryJoe showed it accidently and laughed at how crazy it is. Not sure what this is not considered racist and no one filed a lawsuit against EA.
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