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AMD Ryzen Thread: Affordable Core Act

JohnnyFootball

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Right now I currently have an Asrock B350 Pro 4 mobo (pretty much the cheapest one out there) with 16GB of EVGA 3000 rated memory running just fine at 2800, but not at 2933.

I have been debating the idea of getting better memory and/or mobo combo so I can push my RAM to 3200. While it hasn't been definitely stated I assume that X370 mobos are made with higher build quality and might get better luck with my RAM.

However, based on my research I simply can't get a straight answer on a mobo(350 or 370)/ memory combo that is guaranteed to get my memory to 3200. Everything seems to be a crapshoot. One guy can get 3200 with his sticks. Another guy can only get 2400 at best...etc.

Truth be told my research also told me that it is pretty much a miracle that my current ram runs at 2800 on my mobo and that I am really probably getting the best results possible. Considering I got that RAM open box for $95 and is not listed on any mobo vendor as being compatible.
 

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Right now I currently have an Asrock B350 Pro 4 mobo (pretty much the cheapest one out there) with 16GB of EVGA 3000 rated memory running just fine at 2800, but not at 2933.

I have been debating the idea of getting better memory and/or mobo combo so I can push my RAM to 3200. While it hasn't been definitely stated I assume that X370 mobos are made with higher build quality and might get better luck with my RAM.

However, based on my research I simply can't get a straight answer on a mobo(350 or 370)/ memory combo that is guaranteed to get my memory to 3200. Everything seems to be a crapshoot. One guy can get 3200 with his sticks. Another guy can only get 2400 at best...etc.

Truth be told my research also told me that it is pretty much a miracle that my current ram runs at 2800 on my mobo and that I am really probably getting the best results possible. Considering I got that RAM open box for $95 and is not listed on any mobo vendor as being compatible.

I can state that my Asus X370-Pro with the Corsair Vengeance 3466 RGB (Samsung B-Die based) DIMM's hit 3200Mhz instantly via the D.O.C.P setting without any post errors whatsoever.

I did have an issue with Windows stability initially, but I'm pretty sure that was primarily attributed to use of the Corsair Link software I had installed. DIMM slot choice may have also played a small role. My machine has been stable for several days since removal of that software.

So I think the use of higher speed DIMM's (Which tend to use Samsung B-Die memory) is probably a good call. Combine that with choices from the Mobo's QVL list to cover your bases I'd say.
 

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The memory controller is on the CPU and not on the southbridge X370/B350
So it is mostly based on silicon lottery how stable the CPU is at different memory frequencies.
The other part is the build quality of the motherboard. So a high quality B350 board won't perform worse
 

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I can state that my Asus X370-Pro with the Corsair Vengeance 3466 RGB (Samsung B-Die based) DIMM's hit 3200Mhz instantly via the D.O.C.P setting without any post errors whatsoever.

I did have an issue with Windows stability initially, but I'm pretty sure that was primarily attributed to use of the Corsair Link software I had installed. DIMM slot choice may have also played a small role. My machine has been stable for several days since removal of that software.

So I think the use of higher speed DIMM's (Which tend to use Samsung B-Die memory) is probably a good call. Combine that with choices from the Mobo's QVL list to cover your bases I'd say.

That's what is funny. No Ryzen motherboards have my memory listed and yet I can hit 2800
 

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The memory controller is on the CPU and not on the southbridge X370/B350
So it is mostly based on silicon lottery how stable the CPU is at different memory frequencies.
The other part is the build quality of the motherboard. So a high quality B350 board won't perform worse

So when a BIOS is updated, such as the relatively recent release of AGESA 1.0.0.6, is that AGESA update something AMD pushed that will improve the CPU's memory compatibility? I guess, I'm not sure I understand how those BIOS updates improve memory compatibility if the southbridge isn't related to memory control in the first place.
 

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So when a BIOS is updated, such as the relatively recent release of AGESA 1.0.0.6, is that AGESA update something AMD pushed that will improve the CPU's memory compatibility? I guess, I'm not sure I understand how those BIOS updates improve memory compatibility if the southbridge isn't related to memory control in the first place.

Southbridge is a communication switch for expansion slots
The defunct northbridge was used for memory communication a decade ago

 

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That's what is funny. No Ryzen motherboards have my memory listed and yet I can hit 2800

Your memory not being on the QVL doesn't mean you won't have success with overclocking it. It's just less likely as that particular mobo-memory configuration hasn't been tested/or certified. So you end up with it being a crap shoot, which as you've already determined gets frustrating real quick.

Memory being on the QVL doesn't guarantee success either mind you, but it does give you substantially better odds I imagine.
 

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Memory being on the QVL doesn't guarantee success either mind you, but it does give you substantially better odds I imagine.


This is my situation it's in the qvl at 3200 but I have to up the voltage to 1.4v t to get it to run at 2933
 

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https://videocardz.com/72164/free-quake-champions-pack-with-radeon-rx-500ryzen-purchases

Free Quake Champions for anyone contemplating a Ryzen (or Radeon) purchase.

I'm not too interested in QC, wasn't back then, and still not after playing the beta or whatever for a bit.

But so far, amazon/newegg haven't mentioned getting QC at all. Overclockers.co.uk does though for their CPUs and GPUs.

Anyway, was close to pulling the trigger on the Trident Z RGBs but only the C14 ones have the Samsung die, the C16s have the Hynix ones, these are both 3200.
Other option is 3600 but those are of course, more expensive; close to another 100 CAD after shipping and taxes :(

Might just have to not bother with RGB ram at all lolol.
 

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This is so weird.
The following ALWAYS crashes my system. It's just a crash though.

Still, don't try this unless you're ready for a possible system crash. Or even worse.
Right Click Taskbar Time -> Adjust Date and Time -> Set Time Automatically
Toggle on and off repeatedly as fast as possible = Crash.

I don't know if it's a Ryzen issue, a ThreadRipper issue, a Motherboard issue, or even a Windows 10 issue.
Quoting myself cause I found the fix in case anyone has the same issue.

Disabling "Core Performance Boost" in the BIOS under OC fixes it. It also fixes an issue I was having with the WinRAR benchmark crashing my system within a minute of starting it. They both triggered Debug Code "00" crashes. Hopefully the random "00" crashes are gone too.
 

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Quoting myself cause I found the fix in case anyone has the same issue.

Disabling "Core Performance Boost" in the BIOS under OC fixes it. It also fixes an issue I was having with the WinRAR benchmark crashing my system within a minute of starting it. They both triggered Debug Code "00" crashes. Hopefully the random "00" crashes are gone too.

Were you overclocking with Core Performance Boost enabled? I've read you should disable the core performance boost if you're manually overclocking at all.
 

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For anyone interested: Gamer's Nexus did a test to compare full TR4 coverage on Noctua coolers vs Old, Small Version.
Difference is pretty big. Over 10C. But the guy warns that it doesn't mean that that'll be the same for AIOs. He does think that there will like be an improvement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v5B79vdiXU


Were you overclocking with Core Performance Boost enabled? I've read you should disable the core performance boost if you're manually overclocking at all.
I stopped the idea of an OC after I started having issues.

But that thing's on by default. And it seemed great. So great that I really wasn't planning on overclocking after seeing what it could do. I was getting constant an almost 4.2GHz on any intensive tasks. Hopefully it's tweaked because I loved the idea of it automatically OCing some cores to 4.2GHz without me lifting a finger. I'm locked in at 3.3GHz without it.
 

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AMD chipset drivers. I've never updated mine since building my Ryzen 1700 system about two months ago. I set my Windows power settings to High Performance and never looked back. Is it worth it to update to the newest chipset drivers, is it worth it to use the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, and is there anything I should know about this update before going through with it in terms of stability or how it might impact my overclocks? I'm digging around for more info as I type this, but I'd honestly never even heard of chipset driver updates until about an hour ago.
 

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AMD chipset drivers. I've never updated mine since building my Ryzen 1700 system about two months ago. I set my Windows power settings to High Performance and never looked back. Is it worth it to update to the newest chipset drivers, is it worth it to use the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, and is there anything I should know about this update before going through with it in terms of stability or how it might impact my overclocks? I'm digging around for more info as I type this, but I'd honestly never even heard of chipset driver updates until about an hour ago.
If there's any sort of problem with the Windows 10 install, the chipset driver won't allow you to use the Minimum CPU Usage (IIRC) control, which lets the PC downclock on lighter tasks if you do P-State overclocking. If you have that situation, you'll have to repair Windows 10, which uninstalls all your programs.
 

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If there's any sort of problem with the Windows 10 install, the chipset driver won't allow you to use the Minimum CPU Usage (IIRC) control, which lets the PC downclock on lighter tasks if you do P-State overclocking. If you have that situation, you'll have to repair Windows 10, which uninstalls all your programs.

Well, I updated the chipset without any problems, enabled the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, and I basically see what you're saying (which is how it acted before I updated the chipset driver): my Ryzen 1700 frequency is locked at 3700 MHz on all cores at all times and my core voltage is stuck at 1.275V. So, the chipset driver didn't impact my voltage/frequencies at all.

Do you have any more info about that W10 repair option? I'd honestly consider going that route if I could read up on it more and be sure that it'd allow me to downclock at idle.

You know, my 2500k was stuck at 4.1 GHz and I think 1.35V (I forget what voltage I used) for about 6 years and never blew up. I'd love to get my Ryzen 1700 to downclock, but ultimately, I'd be surprised if it dies anyway within the 2-3 years I plan to keep it. Still, frustrating that I can never seem to get P-states to work. I seriously blame MSI mainly, as there is simply no P-state overclocking option given in the MSI B350M Gaming Pro BIOS. Ultimately it's my fault for not looking into it before buying the mobo, but I just never expected that to not be an option.
 

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Well, I updated the chipset without any problems, enabled the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan, and I basically see what you're saying (which is how it acted before I updated the chipset driver): my Ryzen 1700 frequency is locked at 3700 MHz on all cores at all times and my core voltage is stuck at 1.275V. So, the chipset driver didn't impact my voltage/frequencies at all.

Do you have any more info about that W10 repair option? I'd honestly consider going that route if I could read up on it more and be sure that it'd allow me to downclock at idle.

You know, my 2500k was stuck at 4.1 GHz and I think 1.35V (I forget what voltage I used) for about 6 years and never blew up. I'd love to get my Ryzen 1700 to downclock, but ultimately, I'd be surprised if it dies anyway within the 2-3 years I plan to keep it. Still, frustrating that I can never seem to get P-states to work. I seriously blame MSI mainly, as there is simply no P-state overclocking option given in the MSI B350M Gaming Pro BIOS. Ultimately it's my fault for not looking into it before buying the mobo, but I just never expected that to not be an option.
Are you sure there's no P-State overclocking? It should be under Advanced/AMD CBS/Zen Common Options in the BIOS.
 

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Are you sure there's no P-State overclocking? It should be under Advanced/AMD CBS/Zen Common Options in the BIOS.

I looked everywhere. Here are screenshots from my BIOS. Does anything stick out to you? I did see an option for load-line calibration, but it is vague with options like Load 1 through Load 8 which I believe are pre-set calibrations, and I don't think that is P-state overclocking anyway. Side note, I've since enabled AMD Cool N' Quiet, but that hasn't done anything as far as I can tell.

EDIT: I should add, these pics were also taken before I went to the latest BIOS update, but no new options were made available on the newest BIOS in any of the menus.
 

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I looked everywhere. Here are screenshots from my BIOS. Does anything stick out to you? I did see an option for load-line calibration, but it is vague with options like Load 1 through Load 8 which I believe are pre-set calibrations, and I don't think that is P-state overclocking anyway. Side note, I've since enabled AMD Cool N' Quiet, but that hasn't done anything as far as I can tell.
Did you actually try the settings stuff? Because that OC menu doesn't really have anything to do with the P-state stuff.
 

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Overclocking in the BIOS turn off variable voltage and frequency for Ryzen
But if you use the Balanced energy profile, Core's will still be parked and sleep
AMD's energy profile turns off any ability for the CPU to wind down for a bit of improved performance.

So with the Balanced profile the CPU will draw 15-20w when idling when overclocked.
 

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If there's any sort of problem with the Windows 10 install, the chipset driver won't allow you to use the Minimum CPU Usage (IIRC) control, which lets the PC downclock on lighter tasks if you do P-State overclocking. If you have that situation, you'll have to repair Windows 10, which uninstalls all your programs.
I believe that's caused by the UEFI being misconfigured, not something wrong with the OS.
If I don't set things up correctly, the options disappear and I get errors in the system event log saying that certain features were disabled as a result.
With ASUS boards, you have to use P-State overclocking rather than a fixed ratio, disable core performance boost, and enable Global C-States.

Additionally, the Ryzen Balanced profile does not appear to downclock or park cores by default anyway. It's intended to keep the clockspeed high, and use C-States and other power saving features instead.
Having the OS control the clockspeed is very slow. Ryzen can change its power state in 1ms intervals, which is faster than the system can even detect. For example: most system monitoring tools poll at 1000ms or higher by default, and cannot be set to poll faster than 100ms.
 

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Did you actually try the settings stuff? Because that OC menu doesn't really have anything to do with the P-state stuff.

Sorry, I'm not sure what settings stuff you're referring to? I went through every single option in every single menu/sub-menu and never saw anything labeled as P-states, either in the title of the option or in the description that comes up on the right when you click on an option.

Overclocking in the BIOS turn off variable voltage and frequency for Ryzen
But if you use the Balanced energy profile, Core's will still be parked and sleep
AMD's energy profile turns off any ability for the CPU to wind down for a bit of improved performance.

So with the Balanced profile the CPU will draw 15-20w when idling when overclocked.

The "Balanced" profile being the standard Windows Balanced profile? What kind of performance hit do you get if you enable that instead of Window's High Performance mode or the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan mode? Is the performance hit just briefly while the cores are being woken up, or even at peak will you see decreased performance?
 

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I looked everywhere. Here are screenshots from my BIOS. Does anything stick out to you?
Enable AMD Cool'n'Quiet (seen in the 3rd screenshot), it being disabled deactivates all P-states.

Overclocking in the BIOS turn off variable voltage and frequency for Ryzen
P-states (which is for power saving/underclocking) should never be affected by any overclocking, those are independent from each other.
 

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Enable AMD Cool'n'Quiet (seen in the 3rd screenshot), it being disabled deactivates all P-states.

Sorry, I mentioned in an above post that I do have CnQ enabled now. According to HWInfo and Ryzen Master, it does absolutely nothing to my voltage or clock speeds at idle or load.
 

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Sorry, I mentioned in an above post that I do have CnQ enabled now. According to HWInfo and Ryzen Master, it does absolutely nothing to my voltage or clock speeds at idle or load.
Sorry, missed that. I'll chalk that up to MSI being MSI and wish you good luck...
 

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Sorry, missed that. I'll chalk that up to MSI being MSI and wish you good luck...

Eh, I'm good about turning off my PC when not in use which I think will help with longevity. The one thing I really need to do is figure out how to tell my PC to shut down after it finishes rendering a video. I often set a video to render when I leave for work and then it finishes 2 hours later, but I won't be home for another 7 hours to shut it down. I guess I could just remote desktop into my home PC and shut it down that way.
 

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P-states (which is for power saving/underclocking) should never be affected by any overclocking, those are independent from each other.

The Ryzen CPU automatically disables all the power savings when the multiplier is raised except for P0
 

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@Soka, even if you can't set the P-states specifically try out step 11 in https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...quency-overclocking-on-the-crosshair-vi-hero/ and look if that makes any difference.


The CPU does nothing of that sort. Handling that is up to the boards and their BIOSes.

I have the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan running right now and it didn't make a difference versus the Windows High Performance fan (in terms of downclocking or downvolting) but I didn't try adjusting the Minimum Processor State to 20%, so I will do that when I get home tonight and report back. Thanks for the suggestion.

I've done so much to my new build: tried three different CPU coolers, put an AIO cooler on my GPU, re-oriented the case 90 degrees two separate times, swapped in and out anywhere from 2 to 5 fans at least 10 times, etc., and finally everything is just absolutely beautiful in terms of performance, stability, and being nearly silent... but this last little part, this dang inability to downvolt or downclock when at idle, is the last cherry on top to getting my system "finished" for the forseeable future.

So, I really appreciate the input from everyone about this.
 

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Right now I currently have an Asrock B350 Pro 4 mobo (pretty much the cheapest one out there) with 16GB of EVGA 3000 rated memory running just fine at 2800, but not at 2933.

I have been debating the idea of getting better memory and/or mobo combo so I can push my RAM to 3200. While it hasn't been definitely stated I assume that X370 mobos are made with higher build quality and might get better luck with my RAM.

However, based on my research I simply can't get a straight answer on a mobo(350 or 370)/ memory combo that is guaranteed to get my memory to 3200. Everything seems to be a crapshoot. One guy can get 3200 with his sticks. Another guy can only get 2400 at best...etc.

Truth be told my research also told me that it is pretty much a miracle that my current ram runs at 2800 on my mobo and that I am really probably getting the best results possible. Considering I got that RAM open box for $95 and is not listed on any mobo vendor as being compatible.


I've got the same board and 2x4Gb of Corsair LPX, 3000mhz. It hits 3066mhz with latest BIOS and stock timings. Debating whether or not to try and push them higher.
They're also not listed on the QVL list at all.
 

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I have the Ryzen Balanced Power Plan running right now and it didn't make a difference versus the Windows High Performance fan (in terms of downclocking or downvolting)
Windows is not supposed to downclock the CPU with that power plan. It sets things up so that power management can be handled by the CPU itself. Having Windows handle it is slow and can hurt performance.
For what it's worth, my Crosshair VI Hero's own core voltage sensor reports it dropping to around 0.400V when idle, while the CPU's sensor monitoring does not report it.
 

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Eh, I'm good about turning off my PC when not in use which I think will help with longevity. The one thing I really need to do is figure out how to tell my PC to shut down after it finishes rendering a video. I often set a video to render when I leave for work and then it finishes 2 hours later, but I won't be home for another 7 hours to shut it down. I guess I could just remote desktop into my home PC and shut it down that way.

Does the software you use have that feature? I know apps like Handbrake allow you to choose what happens (sleep, hibernate, etc) when a task is completed.
 

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What coolers are my fellow ThreadRippers using? And what temps and frequencies are you getting on prolonged (1-2+ hour) workloads?

1950X here. I'm using an EVGA CLC 280mm with stock thermal paste and I'm seeing low 60s and typically 4.2GHz with the stock auto OC. But that's based off preliminary tests. I'll be benching the system hard later today.

1950x here with just a Corsair H100iV2 240mm stock thermal compound mixed with Arctic Silver 5 done in the AMD recommended 5 dot setup. Running stock. Looking at my Tdie temp now and I'm just getting 40C, but I've seen up to 60C on all core load. Corsair Link looks higher, but I guess it's taking the offset from the Tctl. I've been getting a boost clock of 4.2Ghz myself on at least 2 cores at a time and just saw slightly over 4.2+ on one, neat.

I thought I had 3466 stable, but after about an hour of memtest86+, I got 2 errors. I've tried voltages all the way up to 1.45, but I just can't get it to be stable. I don't think my CPU was 100% stable at that time so it's possible that's what caused the errors, but I don't think so.

What stress test are you using? I've been doing a mix of Intel Burn Test, WPrime, Prime95, and Cinebench. I can pass WPrime and Cinebench pretty easily but IBT and P95 cause my temps to go way higher than the other two.

Edit: Also, just a complaint I have... I set the pump on my AIO to always be running at 100% by turning off "Smart Fan" in the bios because that's how it's supposed to be set up, but it will randomly reset itself to be pwm and I can't figure out why. It's really annoying because I constantly have to check and see if it reset itself whenever I reboot the system.

Just memtest86, and then Prime95. That sounds like my struggle getting 3466, but quad 3's aren't bad at all.

Weird about the AIO Bios issue. I'm just using Corsair Link defaults at the moment.
 

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I've got the same board and 2x4Gb of Corsair LPX, 3000mhz. It hits 3066mhz with latest BIOS and stock timings. Debating whether or not to try and push them higher.
They're also not listed on the QVL list at all.

Like I said, it would seem that I am rather lucky in getting the speeds that I have.

I read plenty of "horror" stories of people only getting to 2400 with 3200 AMD certified RAM.

I'd rather not even consider an upgrade until it can be proven that a certain combo will work.
 

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1950x here with just a Corsair H100iV2 240mm stock thermal compound mixed with Arctic Silver 5 done in the AMD recommended 5 dot setup. Running stock. Looking at my Tdie temp now and I'm just getting 40C, but I've seen up to 60C on all core load. Corsair Link looks higher, but I guess it's taking the offset from the Tctl. I've been getting a boost clock of 4.2Ghz myself on at least 2 cores at a time and just saw slightly over 4.2+ on one, neat.
Thanks for sharing. I really needed someone to compare temps to. I was totally thinking about mixing TIMs but I only have some 2 year old AS5 on hand. I'm not using that with a $1000 CPU. Big Nope. Not even risking it even if there is little to no risk. That said, I guess I need to upgrade on the TIM. I'm on a 280mm and I'm getting around the same temps without your OC.

And that boost sounds a lot different from what I was seeing on mine. I think something's wrong with MSI's implementation of it since it always did 4.2 on all cores with me on heavy work loads which led to system instability.
Like I said, it would seem that I am rather lucky in getting the speeds that I have.

I read plenty of "horror" stories of people only getting to 2400 with 3200 AMD certified RAM.

I'd rather not even consider an upgrade until it can be proven that a certain combo will work.
If I knew what I know now, I would have stuck to the cheapest 2666-3000Mhz Single Samsung B Die. Screw the QVL and AMD Certifications.

I ended up with a 3200Mhz, Single sided, Hynix RAM. At least it's single and I am hitting 3200MHz.
 

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@Soka, even if you can't set the P-states specifically try out step 11 in https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...quency-overclocking-on-the-crosshair-vi-hero/ and look if that makes any difference.

Holy shit, #11 worked! I see my cores dropping to 1550 MHz in Ryzen Master almost immediately after I lowered the minimum processor state from 90% to 20%. My assumption is that this won't hurt my stability at all so I don't think I'd need to re-run Prime95 and other tests, but I might run Cinebench to see if this does much. My guess is that it will slightly reduce my CPU usage at the beginning of a task, but after the first moment or two, I'd expect things to be running at their normal speeds.

Also noticing in Ryzen Master my idle speeds jump around a lot more. They used to settle at about 32C and just stay there +/- half a degree, but now they lower to around 29-31C, but then occasionally a core wakes up for reasons unknown to me and boosts from 1550 MHz to 3700 MHz, and my temps spike up to 36-39C instantly, then begin falling again quickly. Kinda funny to watch, but it seems like overall this should significantly reduce my clock speed at idle. And, I guess as a result of lower clocks at idle, that should mean I'm helping my CPU's longevity, right? I can't think of any other benefit since my voltage is still locked.
 

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@Soka: Glad to hear this worked for you. Lower temps (at same cooling) equals lower power consumption so it already does its job, even if lowering voltage along that would be even better. Speed jumps are to be expected, whenever there is something to process it's better to finish it asap, so a short jump to 3.7Ghz is preferable to e.g. a longer jump to 2.2Ghz.
 

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Is anyone else running into a situation where their Motherboard behaves like it's saving your CPU overclock multiplier, but then reverts back to 3.5ghz?

I have an Asus B350 Plus Motherboard, and I can't clock my Ryzen 1600 past 3.5ghz. It doesn't make a difference whether I'm in performance or balance mode.

I'm at the current Bios from August, and tried updating again via thumb drive as opposed to the internet. Didn't make difference.

I'm not certain if I need to just wait for another Bios update to hopefully correct this or what. I'm unfamiliar with all of this, so maybe I'm missing something?
 

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There's a new update from Phoronix on the segfault issue: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=new-ryzen-fixed&num=1
It's still not been confirmed by AMD, but it does seem likely to be a manufacturing defect that requires the CPU to be replaced.
I don't think they would be telling people to RMA the CPU if it's something likely to be fixed with a microcode update.

While my system was able to pass the Ashes of the Singularity DX12 benchmark, which had been suggested as a Windows-based test for this issue, the Vulkan renderer they just patched in crashed every time.
Now it may just be an issue with the new renderer, but that combined with the update from Phoronix prompted me to test it with an Ubuntu Live USB stick - which was far less of a hassle than I though it would be - and it confirmed that my CPU is affected.
So if you have an early Ryzen CPU, you should take the time to test this.

I generally try to avoid buying new hardware that close to launch specifically because of issues like these (though I did wait a month) but the one time I don't follow that rule is of course when I get burned by it.
 

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@Soka: Glad to hear this worked for you. Lower temps (at same cooling) equals lower power consumption so it already does its job, even if lowering voltage along that would be even better. Speed jumps are to be expected, whenever there is something to process it's better to finish it asap, so a short jump to 3.7Ghz is preferable to e.g. a longer jump to 2.2Ghz.

Noticed today after I restarted my PC that the minimum in my settings was still at 20%, but in Ryzen Master was showing locked at my 3700 MHz overclock. I adjusted the minimum to 30% then back to 20% and hit Apply and it then worked again. Not sure if that's a glitch or what, but I'll need to tinker more and see how to get that stuck in place.
 

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Another update on my Threadripper build:

Apparently my NVME drive is incompatible with the MSI X399 motherboard, I have a MyDigitalSSD BPX drive and it wouldn't always recognize it was there when booting up, and at least one other person has reported the same problem. I replaced it with a Samsung 960 Pro and haven't seen the problem since. Hopefully there will be a firmware update for either the motherboard or the drive that fixes this issue.

I noticed my motherboard was missing hardware virtualization support, so I downloaded the latest beta bios and it's now supported, along with increased stability it seems. I'm pretty sure the beta bios is why I was able to finally get my system stable with a memory speed I'm happy with.

Speaking of memory speeds, I've still been playing around with memory speeds and I finally managed to pass 8 hours of memtest86 without any errors. I'm running at 3466 with 16-20-20-20-38 1T settings. I'm happy enough with this that I don't plan on messing with it for a while.

I had noticed my CPU wasn't downclocking in Windows when it wasn't in use, however I saw a very handy post from someone yesterday about changing the minimum processor state in the power plan settings and it now downclocks to about 2GHz when idling. Much better! :)

I haven't been able to run much in Windows due to it taking so long to finally get things to a point where I'm happy, but I've tried a few games including: Forza Horizon 3, Watch Dogs 2, The Witcher 3, The Crew, Battlefield 1, and Dolphin. I'm noticing similar framerates to my old system (a 5820k OC'd to 4.5), which is pretty great since I was worried about potential lower single-threaded performance lowering my framerates. Having the extra cores is pretty amazing since I don't need to close out of anything while gaming and I can make better use of my 4 monitor setup to have multiple things going on at once!
 

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Is anyone else running into a situation where their Motherboard behaves like it's saving your CPU overclock multiplier, but then reverts back to 3.5ghz?

I have an Asus B350 Plus Motherboard, and I can't clock my Ryzen 1600 past 3.5ghz. It doesn't make a difference whether I'm in performance or balance mode.

I'm at the current Bios from August, and tried updating again via thumb drive as opposed to the internet. Didn't make difference.

I'm not certain if I need to just wait for another Bios update to hopefully correct this or what. I'm unfamiliar with all of this, so maybe I'm missing something?

I've got the same board with a Ryzen 1700 and I've been able to change the multiplier beyond 3.5GHz. (I've since reverted to default settings due to some stability issues that I'm not sure were caused by the CPU OC or memory OC). I don't think I used performance mode when I did my OC though. Just changed the multiplier and voltages.
 

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I have not had much luck with Ram and my Asus X370-F. I'm wondering has anyone had luck with this board and getting to 3200mhz? If anyone has a 32gb kit they would recommend from the QVL for this board I'm open to suggestions even if it's 3000mhz. Any help would be welcomed.
 

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Posted this in the PC building thread, but thought it might get some feedback here too:

Just sold my PC today, Intel 6800K and GTX 1080, primarily because a guy offered me a good price, and I've been considering moving to an ITX machine.

I'm about to pull the trigger on the following:

AMD Ryzen R7-1800x
ASRock x370 ITX motherboard
16GB Corsair LPX DDR4-3200
GTX 1080 Ti Mini
Noctua NH-L9a CPU Cooler
Corsair SF600 Power Supply
Fractal Design Node 202 Case

I already have a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 that I'm going to use. All in all, it's costing me about $200 on top of what I sold my PC for. Any issues?

The Node 202 isn't my first choice, but it's one of the smaller cases that's readily available and not too expensive. I'd be looking at moving to a Sentry or DAN-A4 once they become available again.
 

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Posted this in the PC building thread, but thought it might get some feedback here too:

Looks pretty good. But why the 1800x over the regular 1700? You should be able to over clock the 1700 to almost 1800x speeds if you want for a lot less. Also make sure those Corsair sticks are Samsung single rank B-dies to make unlocking that 3200Mhz rating much easier. Oh yeah, does that cooler have an AM4 bracket included?
 

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Well, so much for that. Received my replacement CPU from Amazon and it has the same 1707 date as the original - it was just made in Malaysia instead of China. (and Chinese-made are reportedly the better overclockers)
I was sure that Amazon had previously been sold out, and that they would at least have enough turnover that a replacement would be newer than my old CPU, but I guess not.
The new one segfaults in <180 seconds now, while the old one took 30 minutes.
So if you're going to replace the CPU for this, I guess you have to go through AMD, which likely means being without a CPU for a while.
 
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Looks pretty good. But why the 1800x over the regular 1700? You should be able to over clock the 1700 to almost 1800x speeds if you want for a lot less. Also make sure those Corsair sticks are Samsung single rank B-dies to make unlocking that 3200Mhz rating much easier. Oh yeah, does that cooler have an AM4 bracket included?

With the 1700 you run the lottery of ending up with a chip that can't overclock to 3.8Ghz or even 3.7Ghz if you're really unlucky without high voltages. With the 1800X you are guaranteed more frequency and a better binned chip, so potentially lower voltages for higher overclocks (and the lower heat that brings with it).