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AMD Confirms Zen 4 Powered Ryzen 7000 Raphael CPUs For Desktops In 2022, Dragon Range & Phoenix APUs For Laptops In 2023

tusharngf

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During its Q1 2022 Financial Results, AMD provided its latest roadmap which provides an update on its roadmap plans for 2022-2023. It looks like AMD's Zen 4 core architecture will play a crucial part in powering not just one but at least three client platforms including Raphael for enthusiast desktops, Dragon Range for Extreme Gaming Laptops, and Phoenix for Thin & Light laptops.

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AMD Zen 4 Powered Raphael CPUs For Enthusiast Desktops In 2022

The first platform to get the AMD Zen 4 treatment will be Raphael. The 5nm Zen 4-powered chips will be aimed at the enthusiast desktop segment based around the brand new AM5 platform that offers both DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 functionality and with TDPs starting at 65W and above. The Raphael desktop CPU platform is expected to launch in 2H 2022


AMD Ryzen 'Zen 4' Desktop CPU Expected Features:

  • Brand New Zen 4 CPU Cores (IPC / Architectural Improvements)
  • Brand New TSMC 5nm process node with 6nm IOD
  • Support on AM5 Platform With LGA1718 Socket
  • Dual-Channel DDR5 Memory Support
  • 28 PCIe Lanes (CPU Exclusive)
  • 65-120W TDPs (Upper Bound Range ~170W)

AMD Mainstream Desktop CPU Generations Comparison:​

AMD CPU FamilyCodenameProcessor ProcessProcessors Cores/Threads (Max)TDPsPlatformPlatform ChipsetMemory SupportPCIe SupportLaunch
Ryzen 1000Summit Ridge14nm (Zen 1)8/1695WAM4300-SeriesDDR4-2677Gen 3.02017
Ryzen 2000Pinnacle Ridge12nm (Zen +)8/16105WAM4400-SeriesDDR4-2933Gen 3.02018
Ryzen 3000Matisse7nm (Zen 2)16/32105WAM4500-SeriesDDR4-3200Gen 4.02019
Ryzen 5000Vermeer7nm (Zen 3)16/32105WAM4500-SeriesDDR4-3200Gen 4.02020
Ryzen 5000 3DWarhol?7nm (Zen 3D)8/16105WAM4500-SeriesDDR4-3200Gen 4.02022
Ryzen 7000Raphael5nm (Zen 4)16/32?105-170WAM5600-SeriesDDR5-5200Gen 5.02022
Ryzen 7000 3DRaphael5nm (Zen 4)16/32?105-170WAM5600-SeriesDDR5-5200Gen 5.02023
Ryzen 8000Granite Ridge3nm (Zen 5)?TBATBAAM5700-Series?DDR5-5600?Gen 5.02024-2025?

Source: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...e-phoenix-cpus-apus-desktop-laptop-confirmed/
 

kikkis

Gold Member
I have 7300hq based laptop currently. Might consider getting new one based on phoenix apu. On the other hand I am still pretty happy with performance of this chip for things like web dev.

Charts show rdna2 based igpu with 6nm but that doesn't make sense given its igpu and previous mention of rdna3.
 

Xyphie

Member
Charts show rdna2 based igpu with 6nm but that doesn't make sense given its igpu and previous mention of rdna3.

Their open source commits suggests Phoenix is RDNA3 and Raphael/Dragon Range is RDNA2. Which makes sense as Phoenix is a monolithic 5nm APU coming out later and Raphael will be a MCM with a barebones-only-good-for-spreadsheets GPU on the 6nm IOD.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
I think maybe at the enthusiast level. Regular builds I believe will still be fine up to 850w.

I read somewhere that some states in the US now limit your PC build, and that's before this 900w GPU insanity. If this spreads across the US I think such GPU's will be taxed through the roof and will only be for industrial/corporate usage. Maybe it's time for a more efficient solution like Apple's approach with M1 chips and ARM.
 

Dream-Knife

Banned
I read somewhere that some states in the US now limit your PC build, and that's before this 900w GPU insanity. If this spreads across the US I think such GPU's will be taxed through the roof and will only be for industrial/corporate usage. Maybe it's time for a more efficient solution like Apple's approach with M1 chips and ARM.
That's just California, and that only applies to pre-builts.

Pretty much any crazy law in the US is from California, or the 9th circuit.
 

mitchman

Gold Member
I read somewhere that some states in the US now limit your PC build, and that's before this 900w GPU insanity. If this spreads across the US I think such GPU's will be taxed through the roof and will only be for industrial/corporate usage. Maybe it's time for a more efficient solution like Apple's approach with M1 chips and ARM.
Only pre-builts and it's not really a big issue, there are different stages based on how high-end the build is. Probably won't have any significant issues, except manufacturers must certify the builds.
 
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KungFucius

King Snowflake
I might jump in when the 7000 3D chips drop. If AMD keeps the AM5 platform around for a while I might be able to slot in a Zen 5 or even Zen 6 before retiring the mobo.
 

SenaxxNL

Member
I'm not sure why everybody believes NVIDIA will be putting out a 900W GPU. This was a full AD102SKU 48G 24Gbpis GDDR2X. This is probably not a consumer version. Rumors say the 4080 is to be expected around 350W.

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winjer

Member

This is a follow-up to official confirmation to AMD releasing Ryzen 7000 series this quarter. AMD CEO Lisa Su narrowed down the release date during Q&A session regarding the company’s Q2 earnings.

But it appears that now have an actual date. According to Wccftech sources, AMD is set to announce its new series on August 29th. Just two weeks later on September 15th, AMD will lift the embargo on product sales.

  • AMD Ryzen 7000 Announcement – August 29th, 2022, 8:00PM ET
  • AMD Ryzen 7000 Reviews – September 13th, 2022, 9:00 AM ET
  • AMD Ryzen 7000 Launch – September 15th, 2022, 9:00 AM ET

Not to long to wait for...
 
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GreatnessRD

Member
Pretty exciting stuff. Can't wait to see Zen4/Zen4-3D take on Raptor Lake. AMD being aggressive with the September launch. Guess they wanna get those sales before Intel comes out in Late Oct/Early November.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Pretty exciting stuff. Can't wait to see Zen4/Zen4-3D take on Raptor Lake. AMD being aggressive with the September launch. Guess they wanna get those sales before Intel comes out in Late Oct/Early November.
Zen4-3D is probably gonna be taking on MeteorLake.
AMD release new generations every ~two years where as Intel has a Tick-Tock basically every year.
And MeteorLake is new P core architecture and new E core architecture.

So AMD doing the whole release 3D 9 months after regular Zen is to keep pace with intel releasing whole new chips.
 

GreatnessRD

Member
Zen4-3D is probably gonna be taking on MeteorLake.
AMD release new generations every ~two years where as Intel has a Tick-Tock basically every year.
And MeteorLake is new P core architecture and new E core architecture.

So AMD doing the whole release 3D 9 months after regular Zen is to keep pace with intel releasing whole new chips.
According to leaks, Zen4 3D is supposed to release in -November/December of this year if I remember correctly. I personally found that to be odd, but one never knows with these companies. I'll look around and see if I can find the link where it mentioned it.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
According to leaks, Zen4 3D is supposed to release in -November/December of this year if I remember correctly. I personally found that to be odd, but one never knows with these companies. I'll look around and see if I can find the link where it mentioned it.
Zen4 in September.
Then completely fuck over everyone 2 months later with Zen4 3D in November?
I highly highly doubt that.
I think people just saw the AMD slides and assumed it Zen4 and Zen4-3D were coming out same time, yet there hasnt even been a leak for the things new cache layout.


7600X and 7700X are gonna be the best bang for buck gaming chips from AMD......down the line AMD can off the same chips with the extra cache to gamers who want even more performance for pretty much the same price.
While at the same time giving the 7600 and 7700s a price cut in time for MeteorLake.

AMD arent releasing any new arch next year, to remain competitive they need something to actually talk about.
Saying they have the fastest gaming chip in the X3Ds while also being able to say we are cutting the price on our old chips so Intels new chips look even less attractive is a super clever move.

Intel arent going to fuck up and gift AMD an 11th gen Intel chip, so they kinda need to spread the X3Ds out.
And 3D cache is really only relevant in gaming, if you announce your X3D now and have no arch next year, what are they gonna do all of next year, sit and hope Intel somehow does 11th gen again?
Nah mane, smartest move have an X3D chip ready next year to take on MeteorLake.

They might lose in productivity but they can have a whole presentation based around Fortnite and Call of Duty showing how much faster that extra cache is than Intels latest stuff.
Exactly like they did the the 5800X3D, the whole presentation was nothing but gaming, they dared not show its productivity benchmarks.
 

gundalf

Member
I will wait for the 3nm CPUs, those one will be a bigger leap from my current 7nm Ryzen 3000 CPU.

But I wonder how the industry will shape once we reach 2nm since from there it will likely take decades to reach 1nm, if at all.
 

Haint

Member
According to leaks, Zen4 3D is supposed to release in -November/December of this year if I remember correctly. I personally found that to be odd, but one never knows with these companies. I'll look around and see if I can find the link where it mentioned it.

They have to rush them out because Intel's 13XXX's will decidedly outperform the Non-3D Ryzen 7000's. The Non-3D 7000's will struggle to compete with the 12XXX's in many benchmarks, AMD themselves already confirmed a meager 15% gain on average over the Ryzen 5000's, which includes everything (the faster clocks, cache upgrades, and IPC improvements). AMD are either going to have to dramatically undercut Intel on price, pray that Intel somehow fucks up the 13XXX's, or figure out a way to produce the 3D's at volume for cheap.
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I was just looking into that - i tend to keep my systems for a long time. I think 12 cores is a good compromise. 8 seem's low for the next few years.
12 cores.....for gaming?
Not this generation.
If you are doing a bunch of other stuff in tandem then sure aim as high as you can, but id still focus on IPC vs Thread count 9 times out of 10.

Even with the push for parallelism games and devs are still gonna focus on a few threads doing the heavy lifting.
Im sure we would all love for devs to start focusing on spreading the load heavily but thats just not going to happen any time soon.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
very worried about that heat spreader design. I can already imagine articles in a few months talking about the thermal issues arising from it.
 

Tams

Member
I have a 12700k any chance this will make sense? Ryzen 7000 can catch single core perf of Intel?
If you don't care about power consumption, no AMD still can't catch Intel.

If you're just using it for gaming, or even most work tasks, it won't make any real difference either.

If you're doing 'serious' work, then you should have a server farm handling it.
 

Rocco Schiavone

Gold Member
I was just looking into that - i tend to keep my systems for a long time. I think 12 cores is a good compromise. 8 seem's low for the next few years.
Low for the next years?


You can be happy If developers utilize 8 cores. 12 cores is a waste of money If you only consider It for gaming.
 

winjer

Member

Starting with the flagship of them all, we have the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X which retains its healthy 16 core and 32 thread count from the previous two generations. The CPU will feature an impressive base frequency of 4.5 GHz and a boost clock of up to 5.7 GHz which should make it 200 MHz faster than Intel's Alder Lake Core i9-12900KS which has a boost frequency of 5.5 GHz on a single-core. It looks like AMD is extracting every ounce of Hertz that it could within that 170W TDP (230W PPT) for the Ryzen 9 chips. As for the cache, the CPU comes with 80 MB of that which includes 64 MB from L3 (32 MB per CCD) and 16 MB from L2 (1 MB per core).

We don't know the pricing or performance of the Ryzen 9 7950X yet but based on the clocks alone, it should be a worthy successor to the Ryzen 9 5950X and will easily be able to topple Intel's current Core i9-12900K CPU.

Next up, we have another AMD Ryzen 9 chip, the 7900X, which as the name suggests, would come equipped with 12 cores and 24 threads. The CPU comes with an even higher base clock of 4.7 GHz and a boost clock adjusted at 5.6 GHz across a single core. The CPU retains its 170W TDP and gets 76 MB of cache (64 MB L3 + 12 MB L2). The CPU will be positioned in the same ballpark as the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X but with performance that would shake the ground from below the Core i7-12700K.
Moving over to the Ryzen 7 family, here we have the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, an 8-core and 16-thread part. AMD positions this as the sweet spot for gamers and as such, the CPU will feature base clock of 4.5 GHz and a boost clock of 5.4 GHz but at a lower 105W TDP (142W PPT). The CPU will get a 40 MB cache pool which consists of 32 MB L3 from the singular CCD &8 MB L2 from the Zen 4 cores.

Last up, we have the most budget-tier chip (if you can call it that but the pricing won't be reflective of that), the Ryzen 5 7600X. This will be a 6-core and a 12-thread part that features a high 4.7 GHz base clock and a 5.3 GHz single-core boost frequency. The CPU will also run at a 105W TDP (142W PPT) which is much higher than its 65W predecessor though once again, that's the sacrifice you've to pay to achieve the faster clock speeds. The CPU will carry 38 MB of cache that comes from 32 MB of L3 and 6 MB of L2 on the die.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I have a 12700k any chance this will make sense? Ryzen 7000 can catch single core perf of Intel?
You have an LGA 1700 motherboard.
If FOMO is really killing you then upgrade to a 13700K which is also on LGA1700, no need to buy a new motherboard........then sell me your 12700K.

But really I think Intel could have another golden gaming goose in the pipeline.
A 6p4e 13400F CPU for ~200 dollars would be endgame for the AMD for the "budget" PC segment.
Id jump on that even for minor productiviety work.....dont fuck us intel and give the 400F dem e cores.
 

winjer

Member
I have a 12700k any chance this will make sense? Ryzen 7000 can catch single core perf of Intel?

Recently, a score of a 7600X showed up on userbench. And it was 20% faster in single thread than a 12900K.
The issue is that userbench is the worst site for comparing hardware. Extremely unreliable.
But the weird part is that their results are extremely skewed towards Intel.
In fact, after that score was posted, they changed their algorithm bias again, to reflect the 7600X under the 12900K.

Even AMD numbers don't match up, as they started by saying it was only 15% faster in single thread to Zen3. But latter said it was higher.

At this point, the best thing is to just wait a until next month's launch.
 

tusharngf

Member

AMD Ryzen 7000 'Raphael' Desktop CPU Specs:​

CPU NAMEARCHITECTUREPROCESS NODECORES / THREADSBASE CLOCKBOOST CLOCK (SC MAX)CACHETDPPRICES (TBD)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950XZen 45nm16/324.5 GHz5.7 GHz80 MB (64+16)170W~$700 US
AMD Ryzen 9 7900XZen 45nm12/244.7 GHz5.6 GHz76 MB (64+12)170W~$600 US
AMD Ryzen 7 7700XZen 45nm8/164.5 GHz5.4 GHz40 MB (32+8)105W~$300 US
AMD Ryzen 5 7600XZen 45nm6/124.7 GHz5.3 GHz38 MB (32+6)105W~$200 US


I feel like they are expensive compared to what intel offers

 

AMD Ryzen 7000 'Raphael' Desktop CPU Specs:​

CPU NAMEARCHITECTUREPROCESS NODECORES / THREADSBASE CLOCKBOOST CLOCK (SC MAX)CACHETDPPRICES (TBD)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950XZen 45nm16/324.5 GHz5.7 GHz80 MB (64+16)170W~$700 US
AMD Ryzen 9 7900XZen 45nm12/244.7 GHz5.6 GHz76 MB (64+12)170W~$600 US
AMD Ryzen 7 7700XZen 45nm8/164.5 GHz5.4 GHz40 MB (32+8)105W~$300 US
AMD Ryzen 5 7600XZen 45nm6/124.7 GHz5.3 GHz38 MB (32+6)105W~$200 US


I feel like they are expensive compared to what intel offers

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So the big question, 6 or 8 cores for gaming?
 

winjer

Member
Minimum is 8 cores even series s has 8 cores.

The Series S/X reserves 1c2t for OS and background tasks.
Besides that, Zen4 has much greater IPC, cache and clocks, than the Zen2 in these consoles.

The vast majority of games don't scale performance beyond 6c12t.
 

Tams

Member
Minimum is 8 cores even series s has 8 cores.
That are shared as part of being an APU.

4 will be fine, but unless you're on a budget, CPUs you should be looking at come with minimum 6 cores these days. And it's worth paying the extra $100 in this case solely to go to 8 cores. The doubling in price to go to a Ryzen 9 is not worth it, even with almost double/double the cache.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Minimum is 8 cores even series s has 8 cores.
All consoles reserve one core so they are 7 core units in reality.
They are also cache, power starved and near 2 generations old.
The current consoles are more inline with the performances of a 3600 than a 3800X.

Want to see how a 3600 and 3700X stack up versus a 4core......yes 4 core 12100?

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Hol'up what.....4 cores performing like 8 cores from a Zen 2 CPU?

If we count the 180 dollar 12400F then those eight Zen 2 cores suddenly seem alot more.....underwhelming
No disrespect to Zen 2 owners.
 

Sho_Gunn

Banned

AMD Ryzen 7000 'Raphael' Desktop CPU Specs:​

CPU NAMEARCHITECTUREPROCESS NODECORES / THREADSBASE CLOCKBOOST CLOCK (SC MAX)CACHETDPPRICES (TBD)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950XZen 45nm16/324.5 GHz5.7 GHz80 MB (64+16)170W~$700 US
AMD Ryzen 9 7900XZen 45nm12/244.7 GHz5.6 GHz76 MB (64+12)170W~$600 US
AMD Ryzen 7 7700XZen 45nm8/164.5 GHz5.4 GHz40 MB (32+8)105W~$300 US
AMD Ryzen 5 7600XZen 45nm6/124.7 GHz5.3 GHz38 MB (32+6)105W~$200 US


I feel like they are expensive compared to what intel offers

Isn't $200 for a 7600x a lot better than the 5600x they sold for $300?
 
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