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AMD Ryzen Thread: Affordable Core Act

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Well, so much for that. Received my replacement CPU from Amazon and it has the same 1707 date as the original - it was just made in Malaysia instead of China. (and Chinese-made are reportedly the better overclockers)
I was sure that Amazon had previously been sold out, and that they would at least have enough turnover that a replacement would be newer than my old CPU, but I guess not.
The new one segfaults in <180 seconds now, while the old one took 30 minutes.
So if you're going to replace the CPU for this, I guess you have to go through AMD, which likely means being without a CPU for a while.

I just got a new 1700X from Newegg and I've been bitten by this as well :/

It's a major issue to me as I dont even plan to run Windows on this box. For some reason I thought it had been resolved, didn't do my research. Going to see if I can just Newegg to refund... I don't want to wait around for an RMA from AMD.

Might just get a ThreadRipper since that seems to be free of any Linux issues... though it is overkill for my needs.

edit: decided to go with TR. Just ordered a Zenith Extreme, 1950X and Noctua NH-U14S. And btw, the date code on my Ryzen was week 9... seems retailers still have pretty old stock.
 

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Well, so much for that. Received my replacement CPU from Amazon and it has the same 1707 date as the original - it was just made in Malaysia instead of China. (and Chinese-made are reportedly the better overclockers)
I was sure that Amazon had previously been sold out, and that they would at least have enough turnover that a replacement would be newer than my old CPU, but I guess not.
The new one segfaults in <180 seconds now, while the old one took 30 minutes.
So if you're going to replace the CPU for this, I guess you have to go through AMD, which likely means being without a CPU for a while.

Sounds like they may have sent you a repackaged one someone else had already RMA'd.
 

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Phoronix —— AMD Threadripper 1950X Linux Benchmarks


Phoronix —— New Ryzen Is Running Solid Under Linux, No Compiler Segmentation Fault Issue




Yup, just saw that Computerbase.de has been playing with the Noctua full-coverage air and it seems to be pretty good even compared to AIO solutions. I wonder how full-coverage AIO will perform.
ComputerBase —— Ryzen threadripper cooler on test: Noctua NH-U14S, -U12S and -U9 for socket TR4 [German]




Timmy Joe PC Tech [YouTube] —— Cooling Threadripper - Noctua TR4 NH-U14s U12s vs 240mm AIO

Overclocking AMD Ryzen Threadripper and testing Noctua's TR4 coldplates vs an Asetek round all in one water coolers. It seems the square cold plate is essential to cooling threadripper properly, especially while overclocking.
 

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I've got the same board with a Ryzen 1700 and I've been able to change the multiplier beyond 3.5GHz. (I've since reverted to default settings due to some stability issues that I'm not sure were caused by the CPU OC or memory OC). I don't think I used performance mode when I did my OC though. Just changed the multiplier and voltages.

I've tried it in Balanced and Performance modes, with no luck. It refuses to save my multiplier setting for some reason.
 
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There is something seriously wrong with Ryzen and Destiny 2 right now. No one seems to know the cause but Ryzen is choking on that game with the beta client and it's not clear if they will have this fixed before the game is released.
 

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There is something seriously wrong with Ryzen and Destiny 2 right now. No one seems to know the cause but Ryzen is choking on that game with the beta client and it's not clear if they will have this fixed before the game is released.
I watched GN's video on the Destiny 2 beta and it seems to come down to the game not supporting SMT, and probably not having any Ryzen specific code optimizations.
 

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Well shit :/

My 1700 at 3.8Ghz felt buttery smooth so I thought there were no problems.

Didn't know it was losing to an i3.

Ah well, guess seeing as Intel have the market share, they'll get the optimisations.

If it feels buttery smooth, what is the problem?

Of course the results should be better, but if you're playing at 60 fps, you should feel no discernible difference between any of those CPUs, right down to the G4560.
 

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I need to try the D2 beta on my R1700 @ 3.7 GHz and 1080 Ti. I'm curious how it feels. I have GSync, so if I can get at least 60 FPS, even with fluctuations, I bet it'll feel good overall.
 

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There's a new update from Phoronix on the segfault issue: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=new-ryzen-fixed&num=1
It's still not been confirmed by AMD, but it does seem likely to be a manufacturing defect that requires the CPU to be replaced.
I don't think they would be telling people to RMA the CPU if it's something likely to be fixed with a microcode update.
·feist·;247254012 said:
Techpowerup picked up the story which seems to be first time AMD admitting it's a hardware fault: https://www.techpowerup.com/235923/...rformance-issue-under-linux-tr-and-epyc-clear
AMD's analysis has also found that these Ryzen segmentation faults aren't isolated to a particular motherboard vendor, but are problems with the processors themselves. AMD encourages Ryzen customers who believe to be affected by the problem to contact AMD Customer Care.
Still claims it's an issue somehow limited to Linux when it isn't.
 

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I don't really understand my RAM. Model: G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) AMD X370 / B350 / A320 Memory (Desktop Memory) Model F4-2400C15D-16GFX

I've tried overclocking it and the motherboard just beeps 3 times and didn't boot Windows. I found a dummy's guide video and did exactly what it said, to overclock it to 2666 MHz. The only difference from previous attempts was I changed the voltage settings. Now it still beeped 3 times but after some power button pressing I was able to boot into Windows. But Speccy says the DRAM frequency is 1197 MHz, so it' still running at 2400 (also confirmed by Speed in Task Manager)? My computer's exactly the same as the one in the video, I just don't know the power supply (mines a 80+ bronze 620W by Acer). Did it just throw away the RAM overclock in order to boot? How do I know it works?
 

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I don't really understand my RAM. Model: G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) AMD X370 / B350 / A320 Memory (Desktop Memory) Model F4-2400C15D-16GFX

I've tried overclocking it and the motherboard just beeps 3 times and didn't boot Windows. I found a dummy's guide video and did exactly what it said, to overclock it to 2666 MHz. The only difference from previous attempts was I changed the voltage settings. Now it still beeped 3 times but after some power button pressing I was able to boot into Windows. But Speccy says the DRAM frequency is 1197 MHz, so it' still running at 2400 (also confirmed by Speed in Task Manager)? My computer's exactly the same as the one in the video, I just don't know the power supply (mines a 80+ bronze 620W by Acer). Did it just throw away the RAM overclock in order to boot? How do I know it works?

Sounds like it was unstable at 2666 so it reverted to 2400mhz. Since it's 2400mhz (or MT/s?) ram, I would not bother with the additional overclock tbh.
 

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I don't really understand my RAM. Model: G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) AMD X370 / B350 / A320 Memory (Desktop Memory) Model F4-2400C15D-16GFX

I've tried overclocking it and the motherboard just beeps 3 times and didn't boot Windows. I found a dummy's guide video and did exactly what it said, to overclock it to 2666 MHz. The only difference from previous attempts was I changed the voltage settings. Now it still beeped 3 times but after some power button pressing I was able to boot into Windows. But Speccy says the DRAM frequency is 1197 MHz, so it' still running at 2400 (also confirmed by Speed in Task Manager)? My computer's exactly the same as the one in the video, I just don't know the power supply (mines a 80+ bronze 620W by Acer). Did it just throw away the RAM overclock in order to boot? How do I know it works?

Considering your RAM is only rated for 2400 MHz in the first place (DDR4 2400), I think the problem is that you pushed your RAM beyond what it could go. I couldn't find what RAM speed the guy in your linked video has, but I bet it was faster if he could get 2666 MHz stable and you can't.
 

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Just got everything setup (Threadripper 1950X, Zenith Extreme, and Vega 64). Had issues with my RAM though... (4x16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 3000 MHz). I've heard Corsair RAM is not the best to use with Ryzen but I had it from my prior build. Doesn't seem to want to boot at 3000 MHz. It's of course fine at the default (2133). I'll have to try other speeds tomorrow.

Aside from that, really happy with the build. The Noctua cooler is working great. With all cores running at 3.6-3.7GHz, it remained at around 62C when running a Handbrake encode.

 

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Just got everything setup (Threadripper 1950X, Zenith Extreme, and Vega 64). Had issues with my RAM though... (4x16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 3000 MHz). I've heard Corsair RAM is not the best to use with Ryzen but I had it from my prior build. Doesn't seem to want to boot at 3000 MHz. It's of course fine at the default (2133). I'll have to try other speeds tomorrow.

Aside from that, really happy with the build. The Noctua cooler is working great. With all cores running at 3.6-3.7GHz, it remained at around 62C when running a Handbrake encode.

That's a nice looking PC, and congrats on Threadripper!
 

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Just got everything setup (Threadripper 1950X, Zenith Extreme, and Vega 64). Had issues with my RAM though... (4x16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 3000 MHz). I've heard Corsair RAM is not the best to use with Ryzen but I had it from my prior build. Doesn't seem to want to boot at 3000 MHz. It's of course fine at the default (2133). I'll have to try other speeds tomorrow.

Aside from that, really happy with the build. The Noctua cooler is working great. With all cores running at 3.6-3.7GHz, it remained at around 62C when running a Handbrake encode.

Awesome. That Noctua is kicking ass. I need to get that whenever I can get Vega 64 for MSRP as well.

On my Threadripper build I initial had issues getting my ram over 3200 mhz, but after I reseated it, it was easy to XMP it up to 3600 mhz, but I've only got it stable to 3333 mhz, which is satisfactory. I've got G.Skill Samsung B-dies though, so that helps I reckon.
 

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Considering your RAM is only rated for 2400 MHz in the first place (DDR4 2400), I think the problem is that you pushed your RAM beyond what it could go. I couldn't find what RAM speed the guy in your linked video has, but I bet it was faster if he could get 2666 MHz stable and you can't.
Well I don't think you can overclock RAM at an arbitrary number, there's standard speeds like 2666 and 2933, which must mean if if can't handle 2666 it's locked, period. The RAM used in the video must be rated less than 2666, why else would he say he's overclocking it? It would have been daunting to say the least to find RAM that was both compatible with my motherboard (which I read was picky) and confirmed to overclock sometimes - I got a bad batch.
 

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So my Ryzen 1700 seemed to max out at 3.5 OC on stock cooling. What's a good cooler that would let me get higher than that? Ideally one that is very easy to install, I struggled so much with installing the stock one, screwing in one side would make the other side pop up. It took me over an hour with multiple tries..
 

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So my Ryzen 1700 seemed to max out at 3.5 OC on stock cooling. What's a good cooler that would let me get higher than that? Ideally one that is very easy to install, I struggled so much with installing the stock one, screwing in one side would make the other side pop up. It took me over an hour with multiple tries..

Noctua NH-D15
 

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So my Ryzen 1700 seemed to max out at 3.5 OC on stock cooling. What's a good cooler that would let me get higher than that? Ideally one that is very easy to install, I struggled so much with installing the stock one, screwing in one side would make the other side pop up. It took me over an hour with multiple tries..
If you're in the US, the Scythe FUMA can get you Noctua NH-D15 performance for about half the price.
 

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Noctua NH-D15

Thanks! I'll keep an eye on that one. Big pricey for me right now (too many games coming out!) but it seems really good, it'll probably be what I go with.

If you're in the US, the Scythe FUMA can get you Noctua NH-D15 performance for about half the price.

Hmm, i'm in the US but i'm having issues finding places that actually sell that, only results i've found are ebay.
 

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Been really happy with my 1600. Upgraded from an i7 920 and everything definitely feels a lot snappier, although I imagine a lot of that has to do with moving my SSD from SATA2 to SATA3. I had already been running a 1080 ti and truth be told, I don't feel a massive difference in game, except in The Division which I guess is more CPU heavy than most games. Still it feels nice to be running a new platform for the first time in nearly a decade. The really cool thing is that Thermalright made an adapter that let me use my old IFX-14 on the X370 motherboard.
 

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Thanks! I'll keep an eye on that one. Big pricey for me right now (too many games coming out!) but it seems really good, it'll probably be what I go with.



Hmm, i'm in the US but i'm having issues finding places that actually sell that, only results i've found are ebay.

I'm not sure if this can be considered easy to install, but if you want better bang for your buck, I'd look into Thermalright's True Spirit Power (or Direct which is a bit cheaper). It doesn't perform as well as the better dual tower heatsinks like Noctua's and the like, but it is pretty close. I'd happily trade in a few degrees for saving like >$30.

I guess generally single towers are easier to deal with since they're not as wide (RAM compatibility and all), but be aware that this guy is tall and not all cases support it.
 

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Thanks! I'll keep an eye on that one. Big pricey for me right now (too many games coming out!) but it seems really good, it'll probably be what I go with.



Hmm, i'm in the US but i'm having issues finding places that actually sell that, only results i've found are ebay.
Hmm, must be sold out at the moment.
 

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I'm not sure if this can be considered easy to install, but if you want better bang for your buck, I'd look into Thermalright's True Spirit Power (or Direct which is a bit cheaper). It doesn't perform as well as the better dual tower heatsinks like Noctua's and the like, but it is pretty close. I'd happily trade in a few degrees for saving like >$30.
I guess generally single towers are easier to deal with since they're not as wide (RAM compatibility and all), but be aware that this guy is tall and not all cases support it.
Thermalright's TRUE line of single tower coolers are great.
I had one of the original TRUE 120 coolers and it did a great job. The main difference I noticed from replacing it with an NH-D14 in my old i5-2500K system was that the Noctua cooler was quieter. Temperatures did not change much - probably less than 5&#8451;.

The issue that I actually had with the NH-D15 in my Ryzen build was not the height, but that it's so wide. It's a much larger cooler than the NH-D14 and almost completely blocks the top PCIe slot - though that may depend on the motherboard you have.
I was only just able to fit a tiny half-height PCIe SATA card (like this) underneath it, and had to remove the cooler first to install that. And to remove the cooler, you have to remove the GPU to get access to the fan clips since they're so close together.
Not my systems, but these photos do a decent job of illustrating how much extra clearance there is between the GPU and the cooler with the NH-D14 compared to the NH-D15.
I will say that the mounting solution for Noctua's coolers is really easy though. Noctua do a great job with that and it's very quick & easy to do once you have removed the middle fan.
 

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I thought the D14 was big but then I saw the d15...damn. I think I'll start with the D14 or d12 when I buy my cooler.
 

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Forbes —— AMD Ryzen Threadripper: The Fascinating Story Behind The Processor That Beat Intel


In many ways, it's even more successful than Ryzen mainstream processors. For $1000, you get more cores and better performance in many tests with Ryzen Threadripper 1950X than Intel's equivalent and highest performing desktop CPU - Core i9-7900X. Where AMD is still a little slower, for example in some older or lightly threaded games, is less of an issue as many people will use Ryzen Threadripper purely for its multithreaded performance. It has to be said that there aren't many reasons to choose Intel in the high end desktop market at this price point.

The battle goes on, of course, with Intel due to release processors with even more cores over the coming weeks, but just where did this somewhat unexpected processor come from? It might surprise you to learn that Ryzen Threadripper wasn’t originally part of AMD’s plans, which back in 2015 only included Ryzen and the EPYC server CPU.

To delve deeper into Threadripper's origins, I spoke to some of AMD’s big guns as far as Threadripper was concerned; AMD Senior Vice President and General Manager Jim Anderson along with Corporate Vice President of Worldwide Marketing John Taylor ,who have both been heavily involved in the Threadripper project; also Sarah Youngbauer of AMD’s communications team, plus James Prior, who’s AMD Senior Product Manager and closely involved in the Threadripper inception.

Forbes: What can you tell us about Threadripper origins and how it came to be?







Joker Productions [YouTube] —— Ryzen 2, Raven Ridge & Optimization | AMD Q&A Pt I

Joker Productions [YouTube] —— AMD Navi and Vega Concerns | AMD Q&A Pt II








Tom's Hardware —— Ryzen Threadripper 1900X Available, Bootable NVMe RAID Support Comes To X399

Bit-tech —— AMD launches Ryzen Threadripper 1900X, dates bootable NVMe RAID

 

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Those joker production videos are super interesting. AMD guy basically saying Ryzen was a worst case scenario and that Ryzen 2 will have a host of per core improvements and higher clocks. Very nice. Imagine 8 years of improvements on the Ryzen core like Intel has been able to get out of their current lineup.
 

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Those joker production videos are super interesting. AMD guy basically saying Ryzen was a worst case scenario and that Ryzen 2 will have a host of per core improvements and higher clocks. Very nice. Imagine 8 years of improvements on the Ryzen core like Intel has been able to get out of their current lineup.
Now that would be interesting to see!
 

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Those joker production videos are super interesting. AMD guy basically saying Ryzen was a worst case scenario and that Ryzen 2 will have a host of per core improvements and higher clocks. Very nice. Imagine 8 years of improvements on the Ryzen core like Intel has been able to get out of their current lineup.

Dammit but I love my 1700 :( If it has higher per-core clocks and is significantly higher, I can see the 2700 being worth the upgrade.
 

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Anyways, stock speed is fine, but it'll be fun to get one of those Enermax liqTech TR4 AIO LCS when they come out and give this another go.
For you or anyone else who may be interested, Enermax's full-coverage AIOs have begun selling at various retailers across the globe:

US $129.99
Enermax Liqtech TR4 240 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, Support 500W+TDP and Overclocking, AMD Socket TR4 Ready, ELC-LTTR240-TBP
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214079

US $149.99
Enermax Liqtech TR4 360 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, Support 500W+TDP and Overclocking, AMD Socket TR4 Ready, ELC-LTTR360-TBP
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214080




http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245737398&postcount=3983

·feist·;245737398 said:
Enermax LIQTECH TR4 240 & LIQTECH TR4 360
http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1&lv0=109&lv1=118
http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=109&lv1=118&no=369
http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=109&lv1=118&no=370


EnermaxGlobal [YouTube] —— ENERMAX LIQTECH TR4 AIO Liquid Cooler Installation Guide

ENERMAX LIQTECH TR4, the closed-loop liquid cooler, is custom-designed especially for the top-end enthusiast Threadripper CPUs. The LIQTECH TR4’s base plate can cover the entire Threadripper’s IHS (integrated heat spreader) to deliver greater heat transfer efficiency and faster dissipation. Furthermore, with the innovative high-flow-rate pump and patented Shunt-Channel-Technology (SCT) coldplate design, LIQTECH TR4 can deliver extremely high cooling capacity of 500W+TDP for heavily overclocked CPUs and demanding HEDT systems.

LIQTECH TR4 comes in 2 different radiator sizes: 240 & 360mm.



TechPowerUp —— ENERMAX Launches LIQTECH TR4 AIO Liquid Cooler for AMD Threadripper

100% Coverage of Threadripper's IHS for Uncompromised Cooling Performance
LIQTECH TR4 series is especially engineered for the high-end desktop Threadripper line of CPUs from AMD. Tailored to fully cover Threadripper's integrated heat spreader for uncompromised cooling performance, LIQTECH TR4 is surely a perfect default choice for the AMD's high-core-count processors.

Incredible 500W+ TDP for Overclocking Support
LIQTECH TR4 liquid coolers can deliver extremely high TDP of 500W+; this cooling solution can easily handle a large amount of heat generated by the overclocked CPUs. To maximize the cooling performance, LIQTECH TR4 adopts the patented SCT design; the SCT can prevent the formation of the boundary layer and enhances the liquid flow inside the coldplate, which helps reduce the formation of hot spots. Moreover, LIQTECH TR4 is equipped with a new and robust pump with high flow rate up to 450 L/h to assure superior cooling efficiency.
The series comes in 2 different radiator sizes: 360 and 240mm; the coolers will be available on the shelf in late August 2017.







Installing AMD Threadripper (1950x) with a 100% TR4 IHS coverage Enermax cooler (Liqtech 360 TR4)
https://imgur.com/a/OA1E4



Old install, ignore the sloppy management as I knew I was going to be switching out the cooler.



All installed! Temps at idle are much better! With the [Corsair] H115i I was OC'd (8 cores - 4Ghz @ 1.325V) with idle temps of around 45-51. Now I'm getting around 31-34! Definitely an improvement! Time to further push this beast of a CPU!
 

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·feist·;248385890 said:
For you or anyone else who may be interested, Enermax's full-coverage AIOs have begun selling at various retailers across the globe:

US $129.99
Enermax Liqtech TR4 240 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, Support 500W+TDP and Overclocking, AMD Socket TR4 Ready, ELC-LTTR240-TBP
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214079

US $149.99
Enermax Liqtech TR4 360 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, Support 500W+TDP and Overclocking, AMD Socket TR4 Ready, ELC-LTTR360-TBP
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214080




http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245737398&postcount=3983









Installing AMD Threadripper (1950x) with a 100% TR4 IHS coverage Enermax cooler (Liqtech 360 TR4)
https://imgur.com/a/OA1E4

Interesting that the 240 and 360 offer the same cooling capacity (500w TDP). Turns out that the 360 is a bit thinner than the 240, so I suspect the overall surface area is similar between the two.