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AMD Ryzen Thread: Affordable Core Act

kevin1025

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So the Ryzen 2 talk in Joker's video, I'm assuming that will be potentially early 2018? I've been eyeing the fall for a new PC, but if they're dropping higher clocked versions of the current processors, maybe I'll wait an extra couple of months!
 

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So the Ryzen 2 talk in Joker's video, I'm assuming that will be potentially early 2018? I've been eyeing the fall for a new PC, but if they're dropping higher clocked versions of the current processors, maybe I'll wait an extra couple of months!


Zen 2 will be the first Zen core on 7nm which will probably launch like mid to late 2019. Maybe earlier but it'll depend on when GloFo is able to go into volume production. According to some leaked (or fake) roadmap AMD will do another 14nm refresh in Q1/2 2018 called Pinnacle Ridge.

So far no one really knows what kind of changes we might expect for PR. It could range from some architectural improvements to just a more refined 14nm resulting in higher clocks or lower power draw. Since that slide is still calling it Zen, I'm assuming it won't be as much of a leap that Zen 2 might bring. On the other AMD did say they won't do tick-tock like what Intel did, but that could still mean anything.

My guess is that it will most likely be similar to what kind of changes Ivy Bridge or Broadwell brought but without a process shrink; small bump in clocks and a small bump in IPC.
 

kevin1025

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Zen 2 will be the first Zen core on 7nm which will probably launch like mid to late 2019. Maybe earlier but it'll depend on when GloFo is able to go into volume production. According to some leaked (or fake) roadmap AMD will do another 14nm refresh in Q1/2 2018 called Pinnacle Ridge.

So far no one really knows what kind of changes we might expect for PR. It could range from some architectural improvements to just a more refined 14nm resulting in higher clocks or lower power draw. Since that slide is still calling it Zen, I'm assuming it won't be as much of a leap that Zen 2 might bring. On the other AMD did say they won't do tick-tock like what Intel did, but that could still mean anything.

My guess is that it will most likely be similar to what kind of changes Ivy Bridge or Broadwell brought but without a process shrink; small bump in clocks and a small bump in IPC.

Awesome, thanks! I'll keep on track with the Ryzen 1600 as planned, but if Pinnacle Ridge rumors start popping up before then, I might wait!
 

Kayant

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Zen 2 will be the first Zen core on 7nm which will probably launch like mid to late 2019. Maybe earlier but it'll depend on when GloFo is able to go into volume production. According to some leaked (or fake) roadmap AMD will do another 14nm refresh in Q1/2 2018 called Pinnacle Ridge.

So far no one really knows what kind of changes we might expect for PR. It could range from some architectural improvements to just a more refined 14nm resulting in higher clocks or lower power draw. Since that slide is still calling it Zen, I'm assuming it won't be as much of a leap that Zen 2 might bring. On the other AMD did say they won't do tick-tock like what Intel did, but that could still mean anything.

My guess is that it will most likely be similar to what kind of changes Ivy Bridge or Broadwell brought but without a process shrink; small bump in clocks and a small bump in IPC.
Looking back at those leaked charts from before it looks like were correct. AMD Raven Ridge(Zen + Vega) was scheduled for 2018 which is looking to be the case as it doesn't look like it will make "late" 2017 as stated by AMD year.

Also in your chart they have 14nm and 14nm++ for 2017 and 2018. Which could mean they have a refresh of Zen although if we follow the old leak slides it doesn't look like anything is improved as it just says "Zen".

But yh Zen 2 is definitively looking like 2019.
 

Datschge

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According to some leaked (or fake) roadmap AMD will do another 14nm refresh in Q1/2 2018 called Pinnacle Ridge.

So far no one really knows what kind of changes we might expect for PR. It could range from some architectural improvements to just a more refined 14nm resulting in higher clocks or lower power draw. Since that slide is still calling it Zen, I'm assuming it won't be as much of a leap that Zen 2 might bring. On the other AMD did say they won't do tick-tock like what Intel did, but that could still mean anything.

My guess is that it will most likely be similar to what kind of changes Ivy Bridge or Broadwell brought but without a process shrink; small bump in clocks and a small bump in IPC.
All the Raven Ridge leaks so far point to it raising the generation designator in the model number to 2, so those may be the first 14nm+/Zen+ products. Then again Raven Ridge/Ryzen Mobile is supposed to come this year still, but AMD has been suspiciously quiet about it for some time now.
 

Datschge

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AMD Raven Ridge(Zen + Vega) was scheduled for 2018 which is looking to be the case as it doesn't look like it will make "late" 2017 as stated by AMD year.
Raven Ridge/Ryzen Mobile was and is still scheduled for this year.

This is what was shown at the AMD Financial Analyst Day in May:

This is the updated chart before Threadripper was launched in August:

Edit: Sorry for the dp.
 

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Threadripper air-cooling:



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Awesome. That Noctua is kicking ass. I need to get that whenever I can get Vega 64 for MSRP as well.

On my Threadripper build I initial had issues getting my ram over 3200 mhz, but after I reseated it, it was easy to XMP it up to 3600 mhz, but I've only got it stable to 3333 mhz, which is satisfactory. I've got G.Skill Samsung B-dies though, so that helps I reckon.

I was messing around with the settings today and did manage to get my RAM running at 3000 (well 2966 to be exact, but close enough).

The key was setting the Command Rate to 2T. It defaulted to 1T on auto, although apparently the newer beta bios sets it to 2T by default for configurations with 2 DIMMs per channel.
 

charsace

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My 1700x has the segmentation fault. :(

Hard to believe Amazon still has. Old stock in September. Hope the CPU I get on Monday was made after June.
 

charsace

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How did you find out it has it?
The chip has the year and week on it. Mine is 1709 which means 2017 and week 9. Has to be at least week 25. I installed Ubuntu and ran on of the ryzen killer scripts. Google ryzen segmentation and you will see what I am talking about.
 
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The chip has the year and week on it. Mine is 1709 which means 2017 and week 9. Has to be at least week 25. I installed Ubuntu and ran on of the ryzen killer scripts. Google ryzen segmentation and you will see what I am talking about.

Will AMD accept RMA just by running Ryzen Killer scripts?
 

charsace

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I'm also curious. I'm using it for linux but don't think I've hit a problem yet... but if it's something that might surface later (if my workload changes, for instance) I'd rather have a non-faulty part.
This is like RROD buy worse because I wouldn't trust compiled code on a faulty cpu. AMD RMA it no problem I think. I am returning mine to Amazon.
 

DieH@rd

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After finally getting a propper GPU [I moved from RX460 to gtx1070], I started dabbling in overclocking.

Ryzen 1600 went to 3.9ghz without any issue with light vcore bump [still remains cool with 212Evo], and I finally managed to get my 3ghz Vengeance kit to 2933mhz after many attempts to find something stable.

I will try to up Ryzen to 4ghz these days.
 

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ram prices are still absolutely garbage, so I still haven't put a ryzen build together :(
 

opticalmace

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Anyone have the segfault issue with their Ryzen? And RMA'd it?

I'm about to test my CPU. I think I got it on launch day, so it probably has the issue. Hope it's an easy swap with AMD.

edit: just sent an RMA request.
 

Paragon

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Anyone have the segfault issue with their Ryzen? And RMA'd it?
I'm about to test my CPU. I think I got it on launch day, so it probably has the issue. Hope it's an easy swap with AMD.
edit: just sent an RMA request.
I'm still waiting on my replacement CPU from AMD. It's been one of the worst RMA experiences I've had, and reminded me why I always try to go through the retailer rather than the RMA process.
If it was not for the fact that all processors before a certain date seem to have this problem, and AMD hasn't actually recalled the old stock, it would have been easy as Amazon got a replacement out to me the next day.
The problem is that the replacement also had this defect since it had the same manufacturing date as my original CPU.

Worth it tho
Not sure that I agree. Outside of synthetic benchmarks, I can't really tell the difference between my NVME 960 Evo and the SATA3 SSD I had before it, in real-world use.
The pricing here works out so that an NVME drive is basically half the capacity of a SATA drive, and I'd prefer the capacity over the speed.
 

opticalmace

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I'm still waiting on my replacement CPU from AMD. It's been one of the worst RMA experiences I've had, and reminded me why I always try to go through the retailer rather than the RMA process.
If it was not for the fact that all processors before a certain date seem to have this problem, and AMD hasn't actually recalled the old stock, it would have been easy as Amazon got a replacement out to me the next day.
The problem is that the replacement also had this defect since it had the same manufacturing date as my original CPU.


Not sure that I agree. Outside of synthetic benchmarks, I can't really tell the difference between my NVME 960 Evo and the SATA3 SSD I had before it, in real-world use.
The pricing here works out so that an NVME drive is basically half the capacity of a SATA drive, and I'd prefer the capacity over the speed.

How long did your first RMA take? What country are you in?
 

JohnnyFootball

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While Ryzen has been outstanding, Intel has indeed provided the exact response I wanted all along:

Making 6 and 8 core CPUs the mainstream, while 4 cores get relegated to the low end. And 2 core retired all together.

My concern is whether AMD will be able to keep their foot on the gas and make Ryzen 2 winner.
 

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RumblingRosco

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I'm seeing more studies about B350 board VRM and capacitor overheating concerns, mainly from Buildzoid over at Actually Hardcore Overclocking. His content is starting to make me really wonder if I'm not cooking my motherboard and going to end up with a busted mobo sooner than later; I went for a low-end mobo (MSI B350M Gaming Pro) that I got from Microcenter for $13 (tax included!) as one of my first purchases for my build, not really realizing that the quality of motherboards can be significantly different - I thought it was just a matter of fewer features on cheaper boards.

Anyway, does anyone here have any insight or personal experience with the heat of their VRMs, capacitors, etc on their B350 boards when overclocking their Ryzen? I've got my Ryzen 1700 at 3.7 GHz and 1.25 V, which, honestly, isn't a massive overclock by any means, so I'm expecting I should be fine for a few years on this motherboard... but just looking for other thoughts/input.

I've got a laser thermometer that I can use to spot-check temperatures on my motherboard later; it even allows for adjustment to the emissivity value, so I should be able to get a decent reading. Figured I'd ask around here in the meantime since I won't have a chance to really play around with temperature readings for at least a week.

I'll add, I'm starting to question Buildzoid a bit. He never seems to do rigorous testing, but just gets a random thermocouple reading here or there and then makes a long, rambling YouTube video about it without necessarily showing evidence that the boards will really die young. He does this with other stuff as well sometimes, so I'm wondering if I put too much faith in his analyses.
 

Mr Swine

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While Ryzen has been outstanding, Intel has indeed provided the exact response I wanted all along:

Making 6 and 8 core CPUs the mainstream, while 4 cores get relegated to the low end. And 2 core retired all together.

My concern is whether AMD will be able to keep their foot on the gas and make Ryzen 2 winner.

They have to, they can’t slack when Intel is having it’s arse on fire. The Zen 2 has to have big improvements if AMD want to stay in the race.

I’m really glad that AMD CPU’s are selling well atm
 

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While Ryzen has been outstanding, Intel has indeed provided the exact response I wanted all along:

Making 6 and 8 core CPUs the mainstream, while 4 cores get relegated to the low end. And 2 core retired all together.

My concern is whether AMD will be able to keep their foot on the gas and make Ryzen 2 winner.

Clock speed appears to be the major issue AMD need to get a grip on. The Zeppelin die seems to max out at 4.2Ghz in turbo mode, whereas Coffee Lake manages to squeeze out 4.5-4.6Ghz in single and dual core mode.

Even though Ryzen is an outstanding product and I would love to switch back to AMD again for all my CPU needs, it just seems that the higher turbo clock rates make Coffee Lake the more attractive solution if you're building a gaming PC.

I hope AMD manage to squeeze a few more Mhz out of their Zen refresh in early 2018.
 

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Oh weird, I wasn't expecting that the high end gaming CPU (7700k) was such a big portion of sales for Intel. Thought the majority of gamers would still go for the ~250$ i5s.

The one which is The Fastest always have the best sales, unless priced outside of realm of the living.
 

Gurgelhals

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So that's fundamentally different from GPUs then? How come?

Probably price difference / price spectrum. The most expensive of the reasonably priced Intel CPUs cost around 350 USD (which is usually only a hundred bucks more than the top of the line i5 model).

High-end graphics card cost 600 USD and more nowadays, whereas products in the mid-end / performance segment are in the 300-350 USD range.
 

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The best thing about Ryzen is that you don't need to buy a new motherboard for Ryzen 2.

Intel are locking Coffee Lake out of existing compatible boards :/

I currently have 2 PCs, a i5 4690k and i7 4790k

I'm going to upgrade the i5 to a Ryzen 2 8/16 minimum.