Windom Earle
Member
I still don't think you understand how this works lmao. So what would be your suggestion to "fair" CPU testing?
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7950x3D is now at the top of the food chain for gaming!
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Topher
Gold Member
Same here. I'm mostly playing single player games so anything above 60fps playing at 4K is fine by me and in most cases my 5600X is fine as my 4080 is doing most of the work.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
How many games do you play at 30fps?
If the answer is anything below 10, you are not an unwashed peasant
Magic Carpet
Member
My intel 13700F is almost $200 cheaper and performs a bit more. What does this chip do that mine can't? Power usage?
winjer
Gold Member
The 7800X3D and 7950X3D are faster than the 13700F By almost 10%. While using half the power in games.
The 7800X3D has a similar price to the 13700F.
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OverHeat
« generous god »
What???
Magic Carpet
Member
NeweggThe 7800X3D and 7950X3D are faster than the 13700F By almost 10%. While using half the power in games.
The 7800X3D has a similar price to the 13700F.
13700F $344
7950X3d $581
SoloCamo
Member
I'm glad to see this post (and many others) that actually understand why. It's been the standard for a long time simply because it works.
I play at 4k and have now about a decade (got my 4k monitor in 2014). When I move to a platform I typically plan to keep it a while. My 4790k lasted me till 2020... if kept using the FX-9590 I had prior or *gasp* went with an i5 4690k as hyper threading on the i7 was a "waste of money" I'd have had to upgrade years earlier. In that same time I went from a 290X > RX580 (needed the 8gb vram) > Vega 56/64 > Radeon VII. I only upgraded in 2020 to an i9 10900 (and then 11900k as I got it in a bundle with a new z590 board for $300 as I needed a second rig). I plan to keep this 11900k rig for at least another GPU upgrade over my current 6900XT.
Long story short, I heavily rely on these low res cpu benchmarks to see where a cpu will be at in a few years. At 4k, even my 11900k is only like 15% slower than the 14900k / 7800X3D which means in reality with CPU heavy titles or when I get a much faster GPU (I'm not upgrading to anything less than 7900XTX / 4080 / 4090 performance) my 11900k is going to need replacing after that if I want to upgrade again.
And at this rate, it looks like AMD will be getting my money again.
7800X3d is only $356 on newegg right now. It's a no brainer if your main focus is gaming.
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Magic Carpet
Member
Pretty sure the thread title says 7950X3D
winjer
Gold Member
Did you even read my post. I said 7800X3D and 13700K.
Newegg
7800X3D 369$
For games, it's the best bang for the buck.
Magic Carpet
Member
Sory, Yes I see now that you are makeing the comparison to the 7800X3D
Bang for buck, yes I see that now.
I'm trying to compare my 13700F with this new 7950X3d. and wondering if it's worth the 200 dollar price difference. What can the 7950X3d do that my heat producing 13700F can't?
//DEVIL//
Member
Fuck this came out of no where while I was scrolling and made me spit my drink lolWhere’s the PS5 Pro CPU on this list
winjer
Gold Member
Are we talking only about games? Then why go for a 7950X3D?
The 7800X3D is just a fast and cheaper.
And just like I have already told you, it's faster and much more power efficient than the 13700F.
It also has a big trick that yours doesn't have: AM5.
While socket FCLGA1700 will have no more CPUs releasing for it. AM5 will have support for several more generations of CPUs.
This means that when Zen5 or Zen6 releases, users can just buy the new CPU, without having to buy a new motherboard and memory.
Meanwhile, you have to buy a new motherboard to do a new generation upgrade.
poodaddy
Member
I don't know if it's what OP intended but this thread just kind of makes buying the 7950 seem silly when you can have performance that is practically the same in the 7800 for a substantial reduction in price. Also, the 7800 was faster in Cyberpunk, so it's not even an across the board win.
In my mind, the 7800x3D is still the winner, as the additional performance of the 7950 in some scenarios does not at all justify the price.
In my mind, the 7800x3D is still the winner, as the additional performance of the 7950 in some scenarios does not at all justify the price.
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Topher
Gold Member
Jesus......that's the name of Intel's socket?
Obviously been a while since I've looked into Intel motherboards
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Euler007
Member
Canuck here, best price:
13700KF - 459$ (or 498.94$ for the K if you need onboard)
7950X3D = 797.50$.
Best prices out of Vuugo, amazon, newegg, canada computers, best buy, shoptbot, pc-canada.
Even with the prices you quoted the 7950X3D is 69% more expensive. the 13900k is 499.99$ (with code 422PAXE) at newegg, so you're paying 20% more for less performance at 4k.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Some just want the best (in average )no matter the price.
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ShakenG
Member
I lost it at the emoji.Fuck this came out of no where while I was scrolling and made me spit my drink lol
The subtle ones are the best..
poodaddy
Member
That's silliness when you're paying 55$ per frame. You'll never notice the difference in performance, and hell even in the video he concluded that the 7800 makes sense for most people over the 7950. I get what you're saying, but that's just dick measuring behavior. The 7800x3D is the current king for gaming in terms of CPU's, and hell it even outperforms the 7950 in quite a few applications, making the 7950 not even a straight up win, it's kind of more of a lateral move. I mean, everyone can do what they want with their money, but if anyone has a 7800x3D, there's absolutely no need to upgrade currently if they're just gaming on it. Good on AMD though, they're killing it lately. Always happy to see price drops too, might be time for me to upgrade my aging i7 9700k..... we'll see.
Magic Carpet
Member
Yep, this is why Winjer is talking about the 7800X3D is a much better option.
I don't see why anyone would want the 7950X3D for anything more than bragging rights.
OverHeat
« generous god »
For me I do more then game so it’s just a nice to have advantage
GHG
Member
A lot of us do more than just game with our PC's.
Pharaoh 117
Member
Kadve
Member
Depends. If the game doesn't care about the 3D cache its just numbers that you won't notice in real life. Pretty big difference if the game does make use of it though.
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Mithos
Member
No. It's a hypothetical CPU.
They disabled one of the 7900x3D's CCX (the one without x3D cache) turning it from a 12core/24thread CPU into a 6core/12 thread CPU a "7600x3D".
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
My PC is more of a glorified FLAC player and YouTube browsing machine than an actual gaming rig. FL studio gets opened up occasionally.I’m the exception I guess. Basically a fat console that I occasionally type a document out on
GHG
Member
If you have a newer GPU then your frametimes will be taking a hard beating in modern games even if you're only targeting 60fps.
Just grab a 5700x3d if you can.
Topher
Gold Member
That's a good, cheap upgrade. I'd jump on that and sell the 3900X on ebay and recoup a third to half the cost.
Codeblew
Member
The 7950x3d is for when you want a good gaming CPU but you also need the extra cores for your non-gaming PC usage.
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ResilientBanana
Member
So in the video he only compared this AMD chip against other AMD chips. What did AMD win?
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amigastar
Member
How is it possible that a Ryzen 7 7800X3D is better than the Ryzen 9 7900X3D? Shouldn't be the latter better?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Less core with 3D cache
Magic Carpet
Member
I'm in a qundry.
Back in November I bought a prebuilt OEM lenovo legion with a 13700F. I find out it's a dead end of life motherboard.
All I have to do is stick an rtx 5000 series in it to last me several more years. By then the AM5 will be dead end of life motherboards.
I guess I'm out of shopping around till whatever is next on the horizon.
Would be nice to have more umph in my PC right now though.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Be the first one to do it= profit?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Most people don't have 2 monitors.
smbu2000
Member
7900x3d (12cores/24threads) and 7950x3d (16cores/32threads) use two ccds with half the cores on each. 7950x3d has one ccd with 8cores and one ccd with 8cores+3d cache. The ccd without 3d cache can turbo clock higher, but the ccd with the 3d cache is usually better at gaming. For non-gaming software, the 7950x3d is better at utilizing all cores for great performance.
The 7900x3d has the same setup, but fewer cores (12 total) so each ccd has only 6 cores. One has 6cores and the other has 6cores+3d cache. Similar to the 7950x3d, but in gaming applications the software will usually just utilize the ccd with 6cores and the 3d cache.
The 7800x3d is an 8core/16 thread cpu. Unlike the other two it has just one ccd with all 8cores+3d cache. It’s great for gaming as software will just utilize everything available without issue. Has fewer overall cores than the other two, so non-gaming performance won’t be as good. It is basically has the same performance as the 7950x3d (if you disable the non 3d cache ccd), at a much cheaper price.
As far as 7800x3d vs 7900x3d, well for gaming it is basically a 8/16 3d cache cpu going up against a 6/12 3d cache cpu, which is why it performs better even though the 7900x3d costs more.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Intel's 14900K is a great CPU, don't worry. Compared to the 7800X3D, it's only a 5% difference at 1080p, according to HUB's tests. At 4K, it's basically the same.
The main considerations are the following -
You can most likely upgrade the CPU in the future if you get a 7800X3D since AMD will continue to use the same motherboard configuration in their next generation of CPUs. If considering the 14900K, Intel is probably going to release a new motherboard layout for their 1500 series of CPU, so if you want to upgrade, you'll have to get a new motherboard too.
If you care about heavily multithreaded productivity applications as well as gaming, then the 14900K is the better choice. The Intel chip has a large advantage for productivity applications, while experiencing only a small disadvantage at 1080p gaming, and not much difference at 4K gaming.
If you like to overclock your memory, you will have more headroom with the 14900K and could probably get better performance, especially in the 1% lows. However, that also requires that you know what you're doing and that you are willing to buy expensive RAM.
TLDR if the 14900K is cheaper for you, then getting it is a fine option.
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proandrad
Member
I would assume people looking into high end pc parts, like what is the best gaming cpu, have multiple monitors.
SoloCamo
Member
I have two, 28" 4k and a 24" 1080p. However, I also actually focus on my games when I play them and don't watch a movie/video at the same time (what's the point because a game that allows you to watch something else while gaming seems like a snorefest?) That said, I actually use the second monitor to monitor gpu / cpu / system clocks & temps.