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[Lasha]

The rumor piqued my interest. I think the combat looks abysmal. RPG combat looks really odd in a modern setting where the player is pouring bullets into man-sized targets. I'll probably check Starfield out if the combat is more interesting at release.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Heck Starfield gonna be a full on action combat game then?

 

[GymWolf]

The rumor piqued my interest. I think the combat looks abysmal. RPG combat looks really odd in a modern setting where the player is pouring bullets into man-sized targets. I'll probably check Starfield out if the combat is more interesting at release.

It would look better if enemies had progressive gore and like pieces of armours that you can destroy on them, so even if you shoot at them for a long time you at least have a visual damage that helps with the sponginess.

DI2 did this very well because even the tanky enemies get progressive damage in their bodies and they feel less like sponges with a big health bar.

Horizon does something similar but those are machines and no humans so shooting a them for a bit is less ridicolous.

 

[Lasha]

It would look better if enemies had progressive gore and like pieces of armours that you can destroy on them, so even if you shoot at them for a long time you at least have a visual damage that helps with the sponginess.

DI2 did this very well because even the tanky enemies get progressive damage in their bodies and they feel less like sponges with a big health bar.

Horizon does something similar but those are machines and no humans so shooting a them for a bit is less ridicolous.

Totally. Some form of feedback other than just a healthbar. Especially if you can disable abilities or otherwise impair an enemy with skillful aiming like in Horizon.

 

[hyperbertha]

Now we like 4chan huh?

 

[DragonNCM]

It would look better if enemies had progressive gore and like pieces of armours that you can destroy on them, so even if you shoot at them for a long time you at least have a visual damage that helps with the sponginess.

DI2 did this very well because even the tanky enemies get progressive damage in their bodies and they feel less like sponges with a big health bar.

Horizon does something similar but those are machines and no humans so shooting a them for a bit is less ridicolous.

Wolfenstein new order had that future before 10 years.

 

[GymWolf]

Wolfenstein new order had that future before 10 years.

Yeah sure, i just named di2 because it's the most recent game i played and because the progressive gore system make other games gore system look like child play.

 

[Laptop1991]

Really not hard to achieve tbh, those games were an extremely low bar gunplay wise.

Yeah it was a low bar to beat, but of the issues i had with Fallout 4, the gunplay wasn't one of them.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah it was a low bar to beat, but of the issues i had with Fallout 4, the gunplay wasn't one of them.

Yeah it was ok for bethesda standards (at least on pc, it felt really bad at 30 fps on console)

 

[Laptop1991]

Yeah it was ok for bethesda standards (at least on pc, it felt really bad at 30 fps on console)

Yeah i bet, i used mods as well that would change and overhaul the gunplay, i don't know if the console's could, i never played vanilla of their games for long

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah i bet, i used mods as well that would change and overhaul the gunplay, i don't know if the console's could, i never played vanilla of their games for long

I think i only used the improved gore in f4.

 

[Corndog]

No whining either

Who is whining? If you mean me then by definition so are you.

 

[Laptop1991]

I think i only used the improved gore in f4.

Did you not want to try more, is this on console, xbox was better for mods i remember

 

[MasterCornholio]

No trolling on neogaf I see.

Just a joke relax. I don't really believe they sent their interns over to help Redfall out.



If Redfall was amazing I wouldn't even joke about this. Rather it would be seen as a great thing for them to do.

 

[Varteras]

Who is whining? If you mean me then by definition so are you.

 

[GymWolf]

Did you not want to try more, is this on console, xbox was better for mods i remember

No i was on pc but i usually don't like to install too many mods.

I'm not really a huge bethesda fanboy so i don't want to burn myself with f4 before starfield.

 

[winjer]

If 4Chan said it, then it must be true.

 

[Laptop1991]

No i was on pc but i usually don't like to install too many mods.

I'm not really a huge bethesda fanboy so i don't want to burn myself with f4 before starfield.

Fair enough, mods can go wrong as well and if you have too many, it can be a nightmare lol, the unofficial patch is a must for me for all their games

 

[DenchDeckard]

So did ID combat designers work on Redfall or is that a myth?

 

[Sony]

4chan... Really?

 

[kyussman]

I'm happy they want to make sure the shooting mechanics are solid......but I really hope shooting your weapon isn't going to be the way you resolve 99% of the quests as it was in Fallout 4,this is supposed to be an rpg with a dialogue system,please use it this time.

 

[Thirty7ven]

You know a killzone type of heavy and slower gunplay would work better in a game like Starfield than doom style.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Delay to 2024? Taking all bets.

Release unfinished and promise YEARS of updates.

 

[Trunim]

Should’ve assisted with the graphics too tbh

 

[ChoosableOne]

I think they are aiming to get 12 out of 10.

 

[kuncol02]

You know a killzone type of heavy and slower gunplay would work better in a game like Starfield than doom style.

Killzone gameplay don't even work in Killzone. There is reason why no one even really talk about that games anymore. They were absolutely terrible shooters with great graphics and interesting world.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

This is a good thing! They’re doing everyting they can to make the game as great as possible. I love it!

Also I don’t think it’s the first time they’ve gotten help from id with gunplay.

 

[SneakersSO]

Wait are you a dev on the game or am I somehow reading this wrong?

I do contracting as a software engineer in and out of the Industry, yes. You did read it correctly.

 

[feynoob]

I do contracting as a software engineer in and out of the Industry, yes. You did read it correctly.

I wonder what the state of this game?
Is it like Skyrim or cyberpunk 2077?

 

[Sweden85]

And shooting is actually quite good (at least ob PC). Better than in most looter shooters at least (definitely better than in Borderlands for example)

Borderlands shooting is amazing... Redfalls is not amazing in any part of the game.

 

[Esppiral]

People should tamper expectations with this game....

 

[Gambit2483]

Has 4chan ever gotten anything right? Seriously, I don't know.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I really have no reason to believe this leak.... In saying that, it sounds like a good idea.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Yes, but...

...what if we proceed as if it's real anyway

Pass me that pipe. I'll give it a go.

 

[Dr_Ifto]

They helped with Redfall, so it looks like all available studios are helping get these things out the door. From the outside that makes it look like things are not going well behind the scenes, though other studios do this too. SSM pulled in a lot for GOW:R.

Ill reserve judgement for when the game finally ships.

 

[skit_data]

Would be sad to see iD software and The Coalition turn in to support studios which primary task is putting out fires due to other studios technical issues but it almost starts to sound like that at times

 

[adamsapple]

So did ID combat designers work on Redfall or is that a myth?

Myth. The only thing We know for sure is that at least one animator worked on additional animations and that's all.

 

[Drizzlehell]

That sounds really promising, I'm curious to see what they will cook up. Bethesda's combat was always penis, and the gameplay videos made it look like just more of the same shit that we had in Fallout 4 so now I'm really stoked about it.

A huge part of why Rage 2 was an enjoyable game in the first place is because id helped on its combat too.

 

[diffusionx]

I suppose they could bring in some combat designers from id to look at things like weapon feedback, recoil, etc., and to be fair that can have a major impact on how the game feels to play, but it is minor tweaks more than anything, definitely not an "overhaul." In the end this is still a Gamebryo game that is doing its own thing that is totally different from anything id ever did.

 

[Killer8]

They'll add in a boost dodging mechanic and call it a day

 

[The Alien]

Well, aside from any timing impacts, that's a good thing. I like id's gunplay. And what I've seen combat-wise, it looks good.

Now release date and quality upon release....

 

[DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy]

Hopefully true, but I’ll be happy with a Doomguy armor mod at the very least. I know Fallout 4 already has one.

 

[ClosBSAS]

No, it's 100% bullshit. From said way back then that there would be more Elden Ring and considering every Souls games and Bloodborne had a DLC, we all knew one for Elden Ring would come, especially given the loose plot points such as Godwyn and Miquella (and surprise, Miquella is on the promo art). Furthermore, they also said the DLC would be showcased at an event like 2-3 days before and it turns out it was garbage. From announced it in a random tweet.

Bloodborne port is bullshit because everyone and their dog has at one point said it would be coming. Jaffe said "we all know a Bloodborne port or remaster is coming". It's not some inside info, he's just saying something he thinks is obvious.

I should comb all the rumors that we posted here that came from 4chan. 90% are straight up wrong.

and theres still a achanve of 10% being real...so enjoy it. why do you care if we put a thread about them or not? just click ignore..they are fun to talk about.

 

[Draxon Gamer]

Last August? That's over 3 months before the original release date before the delay.

Then we really have no clue what the game looks like now it's probably going to be radically different from that Demo they showed last summer.

 

[SneakersSO]

Last August? That's over 3 months before the original release date before the delay.

Then we really have no clue what the game looks like now it's probably going to be radically different from that Demo they showed last summer.

It really isn't different at all in appearance from what you saw last summer.

 

[Umbasaborne]

If it’s delayed it’ll be to end of this year . Microsoft has all hope lying on this game at this point, and they have the starfield direct incoming.

Honestly what they showed back a year ago was good. Just needed 60 fps.

It’s my most anticipated game.

They should delay it if necessary. I mean it will be hilarious and embarassing as fuck for them, but it would be even more embarassing to release a 1st party technical disaster after redfall. Delay it to next year, line up forza as your other big game this year, place some smaller indie and aa games around it. Even if starfield gets pushed, at least you can say “well at least they had hifi rush and forza this year”. Is that an amazing year? No, but its better than having one of your biggest games of all time be a buggy unfinished mess

 

[DeepEnigma]

…

If you weren’t aware:

id Software did assist with the combat in Redfall.

Redfall Began Development Shortly After Prey Shipped, Id Software is Helping With the Game

The announcement of Redfall kind of came out of nowhere, but apparently, the game's already been in development for some time.

wccftech.com

 

[Del_X]

Boom!

Pray this is real and this is what ms/Bethesda should be doing. Lean on those studios to help each other.

This should have happened with redfall, too.

This can't happen with every game and redfall probably wasn't an IP or investment worth diverting additional resources to.

EDIT: oh wait, they did and it didn't help

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

4chan should be straight up a banned source. It's a message board with anonymous posters. Why the fuck do we care what they say?

They claimed the Elden Ring DLC would he announced way before it did and got the name wrong calling it Bane of Disputant. They claimed a Bloodborne port was coming and that was bullshit. Almost everything that comes out of that place is a bunch of horseshit so why do we even bother posting crap from there?

This fuck 4chan

 

[DryvBy]

Well, shit! What the fuck happened there then......

Their engine.