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What I mean about OC differentials:
I'd wait before drawing any conclusion about OC capability because the FE are hitting power limit even at stock and GDDR6X has some kind of ECC that allows clocking the VRAM up to unstable levels at the cost of performance, but without producing any artifacts etc, so unless you do a lot of testing, you're not going to realize.
Jack Videogames
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This is something most people are not taking into consideration and it's IMO very important. The 1080 was a noticeable improvement over the 980Ti on release, but the 2080 barely scraped past the 1080Ti which was a beast. The 3080 compared to the 2080Ti is back to 1080 vs 980Ti levels.
The 080 is at its core a Tier 2 machine. 2080Ti owners will have to get the Enthusiast Tier, the 3090, or wait for 3080Super/TI to get their money's worth.
ethomaz
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Rikkori
Member
No it can't, read the reviews.
Huh? What are you waiting for that's going to change? Unless you shunt mod then this is it. MAYBE Kingpin and the like will do better but then you are paying a heft premium for single digit % gains. Hardly compelling.
What you are describing has already been encountered by the reviewers and they point it out, so you're not getting bad data from unstable OCs because they've weeded those out already.
Jack Videogames
Member
That too. Let's see how the series 30 price match, the 3090, compares to the 2080Ti.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
no better get 1500W to be sure
Strider Highwind
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Im abit of a tech whore so i prolly will camp out for the 3090 lol. But im like you..shit I got a 2080 Super and a beast of a system..its not like Its anything coming out I won't be able to blast through...I got a 4K monitor and a huge 1440 165hz curved monitor and tbh I actually prefer my 1440p one cause of its size and I like the curve....
But as my wife says "You just can't wait for shit you so got damn spoiled"
Rikkori
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At least at 4K people don't have to rush out and upgrade CPUs:
ethomaz
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I read reviews...
"The Ampere cards continue to delivery the usual good performance with overclock in nVidia cards. We could get over 100Mhz on RTX 3080 even with a software without optimization for that (The latest version of Afterburn doesn't support this new generation yet) plus the drivers are still beta. We believe the clocks will get a bit highers with "mature" drivers and software."
They overclocked to 1815Mhz (+115Mhz) / 20.4Ghz (+1.4Ghz) without need to change the voltage.
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A Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 é a melhor placa de vídeo para games da empresa. Ela introduz a nova microarquitetura Ampere ao mercado gamer, e promete um
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The temps are great too... better than 1080TI and 2080TI even in OC.
The OC give about 5-10 more FPS in average in games that runs at 60fps.
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AIB will raise the power limit and we're eventually going to be able to flash bios with higher power limits as well. Unless you get an FE and leave the bios unmodified, the OC released today are not representative of the 30 series as a whole.
Steve didn't mention anything about the VRAM IIRC (I watched a lot of reviews, so maybe I'm wrong?) and seeing it's the first consumer grade Nvidia GPU with it, it's an odd omission.
supernova8
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TL;DW if you have a 2080 of any kind, you don't really need to upgrade.
If you have a 1080 Ti it's a massive increase.
Shame we can't have 3070 benchmarks yet.
If you have a 1080 Ti it's a massive increase.
Shame we can't have 3070 benchmarks yet.
Rickyiez
Member
Not sure about that , 2080 isn't that much faster than 1080Ti in rasterization , and the 3080 is as good as 80% faster than 2080 in 4k . It's still a damn awesome upgrade for it's price .
small_law
Member
I'm camping for a 3090 too. I'm actually scouting the 3080 launch at the store tonight so I can plan for next week.Im abit of a tech whore so i prolly will camp out for the 3090 lol. But im like you..shit I got a 2080 Super and a beast of a system..its not like Its anything coming out I won't be able to blast through...I got a 4K monitor and a huge 1440 165hz curved monitor and tbh I actually prefer my 1440p one cause of its size and I like the curve....
But as my wife says "You just can't wait for shit you so got damn spoiled"
I just don't think anyone's going to have significant availability beyond launch for a few months. Lingering supply chain and distributions issues aside, the crypto miners are starting to stir.
smbu2000
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3080 seems like a great improvement over the 2080, but that is really because the 2080 was zero improvement over the 1080ti. If the 2080ti had been slotted in the same 980ti/1080ti price slot then the 3080 would still be a good upgrade over the 2080ti.
The 3090 is more like the Titan replacement without having to use the Titan branding/Nvidia-only cooling solution so it can't really be compared to the 2080ti.
Just use what's best.
In the past I've used Intel/AMD/Nvidia/3DFX/ATI, etc. Why limit yourself?
The 3090 is more like the Titan replacement without having to use the Titan branding/Nvidia-only cooling solution so it can't really be compared to the 2080ti.
Why would you be against a company? My previous system was Intel(i7-5960X)/Nvidia(980Ti), then I switched to AMD (3900X)/AMD (5700XT) and recently switched over my GPU back to Nvidia.
Just use what's best.
In the past I've used Intel/AMD/Nvidia/3DFX/ATI, etc. Why limit yourself?
supernova8
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Yeah fair enough, perhaps I should say 2080 Super or Ti.
In other words if you've spent a fortune on a card in the last year or so, don't waste your money unless you really have a crazy amount to waste.
GaviotaGrande
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Great value. I wonder how 3090 will fit in this picture.Nice.
Krappadizzle
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It's more than enough. Most reviews are showing 550~W power draw and that's with Ram and CPU overclocks. 700 is plenty.
Bolivar687
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At least at 4K people don't have to rush out and upgrade CPUs:
Yeah, I'm definitely not upgrading my 4790k anytime soon.
Krappadizzle
Member
Well, 3090 won't be winning any value awards. It'll easily be 2 or 3 worst on the list on value. It'll just be the king of performance. Look at it like, you'll be paying more than 2x the 3080 and probably getting only another 15-25% improvement in performance.
Which is absolutely acceptable if you know what you should be expecting.
Krappadizzle
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Maybe with DLSS. 3090 won't be a great 8k card unless DLSS becomes a standard. It'll be a great top of the line 4k card though.the F is all this talk about 4k?
3090 is all about 8k
GaviotaGrande
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I'm upgrading from 2080Ti, which is almost at the bottom of that chart. I'm hoping for at least ~30% average improvement over 3080. That would make me a happy boy.
GymWolf
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Tranquil
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The 3080 should be compared to it's equivalent card, which is the 2080.
Jack Videogames
Member
Are you telling me that a 750w could not be enough?
Seems to be enough, benchs are going around 550w with a full system, but some reviews have reported power draws of 440v for the 3080 which is almost absurd
Krappadizzle
Member
What are playing that you can't wait? If I had. 2080ti I'd wait, plain and simple for a 3080ti. Coming from the 10xx series or at most the 2060 is where one should be considering an upgrade. There's gonna be some great revision models in ~6 mos. or so. I'd at least wait for the revisions as there's no reason to get rid of a 2080ti.
If I could buy a 2080ti for $350 or so I'd buy one right now and just wait for the revisions.
GymWolf
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I have to be honest, only 25-30% better than 2080ti without rtx doesn't sound all that hot after all the big talks...
Isn't in line with the usual jump from top tier card to top tier card? Was the difference between 1080ti and 2080ti that much lower?
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Rikkori
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Was just about to post this, this is exactly the right approach. Was the same story for Vega.
GaviotaGrande
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I hardly play anything lately. I'm buying it simply because I can.
Amateurs.
AquaticSquirrel
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I'm not 100% sure about 1080ti vs 2080ti but I think it was around 20-25% in 4K.
Of course given that the 1080ti wasn't the most amazing card in the world for 4K we are looking at a smaller jump in number of frames.
In 1080p I think there was almost no difference at all or at least within like 5-7%
I think the biggest issue was the price to performance ratio at 1200 dollars for a 2080ti, plus at the time most people were not using 4K monitors and were likely playing at 1080p/1440p compared to now.
I still think 2080ti to 3080 (25-30%) is a solid enough jump, roughly in line with pre release leaks and expectations in the tech community. The problem was once the Nvidia hype machine started a lot of people lost any sense of rationality and got swept up in the hype expecting crazy performance boosts. A few people tried to bring expectations back to reality but people were too swept up in the hype.
In closing, it is only really disappointing if you bought into the hype. Otherwise it comes in around where we expected for a better price but with lower memory than originally expected.
So in gaming: good but not mind blowing. That Blender performance does look really tasty though.
GymWolf
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I bought into the hype, yeah.
And the only blender i use is to make smooties, only interested in ingame performances.
Basically this card and most probably the 3090 are not gonna be enough to max cyberpunk at 4k60+rtx without dlss, i know that ultra details are for morons and dlss look splendid, but still, cyberpunk is still a full fledged current gen game, not even a nextgen one...
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Krappadizzle
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The difference between the 2080ti and 1080ti was like 20-30% while adding $500 on top of the price card.
They essentially released the 1080ti 3 times in the 20xx series with the 2070, 2070super, 2080 and added RT and tensor cores on top. In practical application there was no value.
What the 30xx series is doing is bringing it back in line with what it used to be. At a slight premium price.
Jensen himself said that if you were 10xx series, this is the card for you.
People on the 20xx series are either inexperienced with GPU upgrades or were smoking crack rocks in thinking there's be way higher jumps. Nvidia didn't do themselves any favors with their 2x the performance of 2080. More like 70% performance gains overall.
Which is fantastic, Nvidia shouldn't have hyped the cards more and just let the numbers speak for themselves because the 30xx is a performer and way better value than garbage trash value of the 20xx series.
I'm getting a 3080 for Cyberpunk and I expect it to run just about everything maxed out or close to it at 3440x1440 with a great frame rate(85+ fps). And I'm super excited.
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GymWolf
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I don't know if the jump from my 2070super is enough...
I'm always impulsive when i have to buy a gpu
Barry Curtains
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3080 compared to 2080 Ti by 2kliksphilip.
Krappadizzle
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If I was in your situation I'd honestly wait. If Cyberpunk is what you are upgrading for I'd really wait and see what DLSS can do for the title. I think it's gonna work really well for the game. People forget that CDPR is a PC developer at heart and all their games have scaled very well across a ton of different hardware configurations. Just get out of the mindset of needing to max shit. It's a heartbreaking endeavor that'll leave you constantly disappointed.I don't know if the jump from my 2070super is enough...
I'm always impulsive when i have to buy a gpu
I remember Ubersampling in Witcher 2 and how upset I was that I couldn't run it. Turns out, no one can run it, it's even hard to run to this day.
Max what you can for a frame rate that's acceptable, if you can't get that anymore then upgrade.
My 1080ti isn't doing it very well anymore at 3440x1440 120hz so it's time for ME to upgrade.
If I was sitting on 2070super or higher I'd just wait until the card can't do it anymore.
Though I get it, it's fun to jump into the mix on new hardware and just the experience and comradery of new hardware with buddies and forum friends can be a really fun time.
GymWolf
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I was not on board with ultra setting for the last 10 years of pc gaming, i already know all of that.
The fact is, sometimes you really just want to put everything on max and start playing instead of losing hours to get the perfect setup for heavy or broken games (so 80% of pc portings).
I have 35 hours with the fucking avengers game and i still search for the best performance, sometimes is jist beatiful to brute force everything and just fucking play the videogame...
I was capable of doing that with the 970 or 1070 in fullhd for a while but here seems that you have to study even with the first big gamethat come out to get decent performances with a 800 euros gpu...is kinda underwhelming even with all the thing we discussed in mind.
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Tripolygon
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Beastly GPU but it sucks a lot of power which is to be expected from the size of it.
thelastword
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Imagine if they used an Intel system max oc'd and also oc'd the GPU, that 750w would be on the verge. Cutting a bit too close imo.
Imagine the power draw of the 3090 with 24Gb of vram.
Every time Nvidia releases new cards I hear this, because they use games made for last gen cards with boosted fps. Even then, many of the current gen games will not run at 4k 60fps....When the new gen games start releasing next year, I will want to hear about this 4k 60fps with upcoming games, during the lifetime of this gpu with only 10Gb of vram going forward.
ethomaz
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Hum? I said every single time there is no proper 4k GPU on the market unless you want 30fps.
That is the first time I says the GPU finally reached the power for 4k 60fps.
Tripolygon
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The whitepaper for Ampere
NVIDIA Ampere Architecture Whitepaper Available Now
Peek under the hood of the new NVIDIA Ampere GA10x architecture, which powers GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics cards.
www.nvidia.com
Rickyiez
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Very cool , will try this . Even without the undervolt , I'm only seeing 500W system consumption which is kinda assuring