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HBO Original | The Last of Us | Part 1 OT | Endure & Survive

ZehDon

Gold Member
Oh damn, poor dude missed out on all the action.

I think we just found the lowest common denominator.
The show was praised for how closely the first two episodes adhered to the game's story, so by that metric, the third episode will take some flak for deviating from it. Wanting the show to continue to bring the game's major beats, story and set pieces to its TV adaptation isn't "lowest common denominator".
 

Thaedolus

Member
Last response to you.

If I show you a Ferrari for 45 minutes on television I am promoting THAT vehicle, do I really need to spell it out for you? If I am showing you a heterosexual relationship for 45 minutes on television I am also promoting that type of relationship.
You could be showing 45 minutes of Ferraris crashing into walls or catching fire, not sure that company would consider that promotion. Or you could see someone talking up all the specs. Or it could just be some guy who owns one and it’s never really talked about, it’s just there. It’s possible to be on screen in all sorts of contexts. In this case, there’s nothing being “promoted” here. Was Frank jumping around being like “oh my god look how GAY we are isn’t being GAY so great I’m so glad we’re GAY!! Let’s tell the world!!” No.
Bias: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
Yes, exactly like being totally fine if the episode was about a heterosexual relationship and calling it propaganda because it was about a homosexual relationship. This is plain as day what you’re describing.

A full definition is not cherry-picked. Words mean things, good sir.
And I was listing the various criteria of the definition and you said “(you) didn’t put biased or misleading in bold…”

Well, you don’t get to leave parts of the definition which don’t fit out and still call something that word, that’s the cherry picking I was pointing out.
 
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Kinda zoned out after Bill let Frank out of the trap, went on far too long, still better than the previous ep though, I liked the bit where ellie cut open the forehead and you see all the nasty fungus underneath, nice combination of makeup and cgi.
Also like the explanation of the infected flour and such, as many people suspected from the first ep, since they didn't eat the pancakes.
Still overall too long and boring, this section in the game was pretty entertaining, but now it's gone..., not sure if this chernobyl like pace is a good fit for the show, at least for me so far it isn't.
 

Majmun

Member
How exactly does the world work? I mean the whole world? explain that to me. Not some shortsighted American viewpoint please I am waiting on your worldly opinion.

There are good people and there are bad people. Love being practised by good people, no matter the sex/gender, shouldn't be hated on. That makes you one of the bad guys. Focus your energy on something else.

I'm from The Netherlands btw
 
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OsirisBlack

Banned
Now you know how the LGBTQ community sometimes feels, I guess.
If you are a part of the LGBTQ community and cannot have a civilized conversation you're a part of the problem. Attacking others when they have not attacked you doesn't solve anything or help get your point across.
You could be showing 45 minutes of Ferraris crashing into walls or catching fire, not sure that company would consider that promotion. Or you could see someone talking up all the specs. Or it could just be some guy who owns one and it’s never really talked about, it’s just there. It’s possible to be on screen in all sorts of contexts. In this case, there’s nothing being “promoted” here. Was Frank jumping around being like “oh my god look how GAY we are isn’t being GAY so great I’m so glad we’re GAY!! Let’s tell the world!!” No.

Yes, exactly like being totally fine if the episode was about a heterosexual relationship and calling it propaganda because it was about a homosexual relationship. This is plain as day what you’re describing.


And I was listing the various criteria of the definition and you said “(you) didn’t put biased or misleading in bold…”

Well, you don’t get to leave parts of the definition which don’t fit out and still call something that word, that’s the cherry picking I was pointing out.

Yes, that company would definitely consider that to be a promotion and they would more than likely pay you to crash and set the Ferrari on fire.

All parts of the definition are valid even with the exemption of the word bias. As it is still publicly promoting a lifestyle. I didn't highlight bias as it was not straight bashing. It just highlighted and promoted a gay lifestyle. If you cannot see that there is no reason to continue the conversation.

There is nothing wrong with living a gay lifestyle. To each his and or her own.
 
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Roni

Gold Member
I thought he already learned that when his daughter died. That’s why he attacked that guard. He looks at Ellie as his own daughter and now giving another chance to protect her. It shouldn’t be this useless letter what drives Joel to protect Ellie no matter what but his love of his life dying daughter that he saw in Ellie.
People require multiple cues before fully believing something, almost no one learns from their first mistakes. Joel's actions outside of the Boston QZ are just emotional reactions. Reinforcement is necessary to bring the reaction out as a solid and coherent belief.
 

Toons

Member
Man the western world sucks. If you don't get why it's woke bs your actively blind. Did I want to watch a crappy Netflix romance hell no god damn, man Bill was such a badass in the games and we didn't need him and Frank's love story.

I always imagined thier relationship kinda budded surprisingly and kind of comedically very unceremoniously like just a couple of asshole tough guys until ya know they fuck each other now lol, the episode is trying to paint them as some artistic fucks ugh.

Welcome to the Cringe of Us.

For the record I would hate a sappy love story between Tess and Joel as well, they are supposed to be hard badasses not this awful sap shit.

Do you guys type this stuff out and seriously legitimately not realize how childish and immature you sound?
 
That last episode was so bad and so generic. I feel like we’ve seen that so many times before - 2 people in love isolated and remaining in love till the end. Very slow episode as well. We didn’t need an episode on 2 small side characters and the story didn’t move along at all. My guess is that this episode was added for diversity reasons and I’m sure the LA critics love it.
 
Oh another thing I disliked about this ep, is a more general thing I can't stand; you kill off a character, but then you just keep using them in flashbacks? I realise it's like contractual obligations or whatever, but I can't stand it, it undoes a lot of the possible emotional impact of a death; just kill them off and move on, I hope she doesn't keep appearing for the rest of the show.
 

Warablo

Member
Last response to you.

If I show you a Ferrari for 45 minutes on television I am promoting THAT vehicle, do I really need to spell it out for you? If I am showing you a heterosexual relationship for 45 minutes on television I am also promoting that type of relationship.

Bias: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

A full definition is not cherry-picked. Words mean things, good sir.

My son asked why they keep showing this on every show that comes on, what's unfair about that question? How is that question treating someone differently? He want's to know why almost every new show puts that at the forefront and is pushing that message/agenda. It's a valid question.
The Witcher season 3 will have kissing men scenes too. They are actually using that as a reason to be excited for Season 3.

I have no problem with it other than the fact they are using it as a marketing thing.
 
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Majmun

Member
If you are a part of the LGBTQ community and cannot have a civilized conversation you're a part of the problem. Attacking others when they have not attacked you doesn't solve anything or help get your point across.

Yeah, I'm gay. And quite right leaning actually. I don't like the community at all and I try to stay away from it as much as possible. For me it's too much focused on lust and sex.

But I still love the way I am, in my own way, and I would never want to change it. I love it when my sexuality gets portrayed in a classy way like in this episode. But when incels even complain about that... I will get viscious as well 💅
 
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RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
LOL at anyone who ‘loved’ this episode 😂 clearly they never played the game. In Bill’s town you have some of the most engaging and awesome moments in the game, from their interactions between Ellie and Bill to the nailbombs, bloater, the school run with runners everywhere, they skipped all of that to give us a love story about bill and frank lol😂

I know they were gonna do some filler stuff but that was trash.
You do know it's a TV show and every episode can't be all the same shit, there's a reason this show is sooo fucking good, the sheer talent behind it know exactly what they're doing and yeah I loved Bill in the game and that entire section but fuck me man I don't wanna see the game on screen, I want to see another take on it and that latest episode was the sort of deviations I want to see, flesh out the ingame characters, go down other avenues etc
 
Oh another thing I disliked about this ep, is a more general thing I can't stand; you kill off a character, but then you just keep using them in flashbacks? I realise it's like contractual obligations or whatever, but I can't stand it, it undoes a lot of the possible emotional impact of a death; just kill them off and move on, I hope she doesn't keep appearing for the rest of the show.
then you must hate TLOU2. weird take.
 
If by the end of this episode you dont know why this story was told, specially after Bill's letter, you better stick to sunday morning cartoons

Seriously, it's not that deep
What if we understood it, don't mind the gay stuff, and still didn't think it was THAT great?
 

VortexCortex

Neo Member
Man, they went 'all over your face' with the romance. If you dont see that there's clearly an intent to push that over your throat, I dont know what to tell you.
You should consider why they race-swapped Sarah in the first place.

Its not the what, it's the WHY.
So are you just gonna gloss over this as well then from the game? Y'know, the gay-porn mag Ellie stole with the other books?
The show is expanding upon characters and their stories from the game, we didn't get to know much of Bill, nor Frank in the game. Now we know a lot more. We also found out how Joel and Tess even got involved with them in the first place, something we had no clue over till this episode aired.

Clearly fans are enjoying how it's being handled by the high praise it's received from fans alike. But you and everyone else complaining? Just admit, you're homophobic and can't stand seeing character development.

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Lmao, I don't care that they race swapped a character either.
It literally doesn't matter what the actors race is.
I like how you pick Sarah's actor though and not Tommy or even Joel.
Do you have an issue with their races being swapped, or does it not bother you because "the characters fit"?
 
The show is expanding upon characters and their stories from the game, we didn't get to know much of Bill, nor Frank in the game. Now we know a lot more. We also found out how Joel and Tess even got involved with them in the first place, something we had no clue over till this episode aired.
It should have kept it a mystery because the way Joel and Tess got involved was dumb and reckless. And they had 20 years of supplies, including enough fuel for electricity for that large area?
 
If you cannot handle other people’s opinions you should go back to REEE.
Lol it feels like the flood gates have opened, anyone who seems to say they didn’t like the episode seems to be labelled a homophobe or has a problem with gay people LOL.

Have Resetera rats infiltrated GAF already?

I just wanted to see the damn bloater in this episode but hey I’m a homophobe or have problems with gay people 🤷🏽‍♂️😂
 

Raonak

Banned
It's showing gay people being happy.
that is considered wOkE propaganda/pandering/why is my child asking me about gay people please help!!!!!!11111

I can break it down if you wish:

White Couple = not propaganda
Non-White Couple = only allowed if they're side characters
Mixed Couple = propaganda
Lesbian Couple = propaganda but can be tasteful
Gay Couple = propaganda
Trans = propaganda

(this is how insane people's minds work)
 
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Matsuchezz

Member
I Loved EP3, it was a great love story, I didn't enjoy the love scenes, but I can appreciate the show portraying a good love story because even if I am not gay there are coincidences that are very similar in straight relationships. I think it was great they expanded on Bills Story even if they deviate from the story of the game, If people are expecting them to recreate the playable parts of the game 1 to 1 that is just dumb. The greatest thing for me about the game was the story, and the big plus was that it is fun to play.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
It's showing gay people being happy.
that is considered wOkE propaganda/pandering/why is my child asking me about gay people please help!!!!!!11111

I can break it down if you wish:

White Couple = not propaganda
Non-White Couple = only allowed if they're side characters
Mixed Couple = propaganda
Lesbian Couple = propaganda but can be tasteful
Gay Couple = propaganda
Trans = propaganda

(this is how insane people's minds work)

I just thought the episode was kind of a bore. Way too long and more or less inconsequential to the story. They could’ve easily cut out 20 mins.
 

Raonak

Banned
I just thought the episode was kind of a bore. Way too long and more or less inconsequential to the story. They could’ve easily cut out 20 mins.
Those are fair complaints :messenger_peace:

I quite liked the pacing, it kept moving and didn't linger. Plus the acting was just too good
 
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The Fartist

Gold Member
I just thought the episode was kind of a bore. Way too long and more or less inconsequential to the story. They could’ve easily cut out 20 mins.
I thought it was gonna suck when White Room kicked on and the episode started doing the whole tired and overdone: "This guy is tough, watch all of the cool shit he does buy himself, isn't he cool and so bad bad-ass" and then totally did the opposite. I loved it and would've loved a two-hour episode.
 

Mr Moose

Member
Just finished watching episode 3, thought it dragged on for a bit much without any action. It was OK but not as good as the first two episodes.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
Fine episode. Little light on the horror and action elements, but not every second is gonna be like that. Didn't mind the story changes, it DID keep me guessing until the end.

Conversely though, missing out on the school raid/Bloater/starting the car bits really took out of lot of the UMPH that this section had in it's gameplay counterpart.

Also, a conundrum I'm finding myself in: as mentioned above, it is cool getting more background on characters and events in the universe that the game didn't provide, but up to episode three, none of these bits of additional context have conflicted with the game's established narrative. I mean, yes, there are differences. Joel and Sarah's ethnicity, the plane crash, the fungus kiss, or added in flashbacks to pre-outbreak. But none of these changes or additions had really come at the price of a subtraction of what was already there before, until now.

So, for people who are using this series as a supplement to the game, how are you guys reconciling the issue of an entire character's fate being changed? I know that functionally, the story hasn't had any super major revisions for the Main leads yet (Bill's presence or absence is irrelevant if they got the supplies and car from his town) but it creates a divide. People who say the series informed Bill's character, how can you say that when the fact that game Bill didn't die, and one might argue that living or dying isn't a superfluous detail like changing someone's favorite color.

I know that they occur in two separate universes, so are you guys just slamming the bits of both interpretations that you like together or? It's not a detriment to viewing, I'm legitimately just pretty curious about how everyone here filters their information.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
It was sort of interesting having a rightwing prepper kind of guy who hates the government but also happens to be gay.
I know someone just like this IRL. In fact, there is a right wing gay man who happens to be on this message board as well, and doesn’t subscribe to the alphabet soup group think collectivism.

Bill was also more Libertarian.
 
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