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Xbox Series S "Brilliantly Designed Machine"

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dcmk7

dcmk7

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DarkMage619 said:
You earlier called MS and their engineers liars about the XSS's features. Care to actually support your wild claims or will you proceed to spout more nonsense?
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Yeh it's been proved he's in the video talking.. He's even captioned for your benefit.

And proven by each and every game that's been released with missing game modes and features.

Undeniable facts.

Missing game modes doesn't sound like the same next gen experience to me. But you fanboys WILL defend anything.

Even prices rises and Kinect by the looks of things.

You have no evidence to the contrary.. Why is that? Where is it exactly?

Best you can do is a SonyToo. No evidence or even argument just some a SonyToo nonsense. Poor effort.
 
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Riky

Riky

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dcmk7 said:
Yeh it's been proved he's in the video talking.. He's even captioned for your benefit.

And proven by each and every game that's been released with missing game modes and features.

Undeniable facts.

You have no contrary evidence by the sounds of things?

Already proven you will lie when it suits you and have managed to contradict yourself numerous times in this thread. Quite a feat.

It's a strange hill for you to die on when you literally have no argument.

Best you can do is a SonyToo. Poor effort.
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Why do you keep saying "game modes" are missing, that simply isn't true. Some visual modes are missing because it's only a third as powerful as Series X, therefore it's obvious that there are going to be visual cutbacks somewhere.
Developers decide themselves what they are and Jason Ronald said this before launch as I've quoted several times and you simply ignore it. Yes he said it's designed for 1440p, he didn't say every game was 1440p, he didn't say every game would have Ray Tracing, he didn't say every game would have the framerate identical to Series X.
The gameplay simply has to be the same and feature complete as the same save file works on both consoles, this is what he means by the same next gen experience.
We get it by now and you've flogged this to death derailing every Series S thread with the same screen grabs over and over.
 
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DarkMage619

DarkMage619

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dcmk7 said:
Yeh it's been proved he's in the video talking.. He's even captioned for your benefit.

And proven by each and every game that's been released with missing game modes and features.

Undeniable facts.

Missing game modes doesn't sound like the same next gen experience to me. But you fanboys WILL defend anything.

Even prices rises and Kinect by the looks of things.

You have no evidence to the contrary.. Why is that? Where is it exactly?

Best you can do is a SonyToo. No evidence or even argument just some a SonyToo nonsense. Poor effort.
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Oh? It's been proven? Undeniable facts huh. Evidence to the contrary? Here is the website for the XSS. Please tell us where the lies are. Tell us what features the XSS doesn't have they claim it does. You have already fumbled pretty hard on Quick Resume.

www.xbox.com

Xbox Series S | Xbox

Explore Xbox Series S consoles, such as the 512GB model and Series S in Carbon Black with 1TB SSD. Experience next-gen speed and performance at a great price.
www.xbox.com

You are the one making ridiculous claim that if a dev doesn't use a hardware feature it is a failure of the hardware manufacturer. You claim that if a game on the XSS doesn't have raytracing it means MS 'lied' about the raytracing capability of the system. So the same should be true of the PS5. If Returnal doesn't have raytracing it means Sony lied right?

With all your complaints about fanboys surely you wouldn't be one of those fanboys yourself right? Go on call out Sony for their lies! I can freely admit I didn't like the X1 and Kinect you keep bringing up. Can you call out Sony for their misdeeds? Maybe you'll need to make multiple complaints to the BBB huh.

dcmk7 said:
If users could accept their favourite console manufacturer isn't holier than holy then that would be fantastic.
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Look in the mirror bro.

dcmk7 said:
I have tried at least 3 times :messenger_grinning_smiling:

They won't stop. It will spill into other threads. It's weird.
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If you keep spouting nonsense it will keep getting slapped back.
 
dcmk7

dcmk7

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DarkMage619 said:
You are the one making ridiculous claim that if a dev doesn't use a hardware feature it is a failure of the hardware manufacturer. You claim that if a game on the XSS doesn't have raytracing it means MS 'lied' about the raytracing capability of the system. So the same should be true of the PS5. If Returnal doesn't have raytracing it means Sony lied right
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Unable to prove any of this.. Since you've made it up.

It's hilarious you put a SonyToo in there when we are specifically talking about Jason Ronald and the XSS marketing piece. Another desperate goalpost moving attempted. And further demonstrates you had no intention of it being a sincere discussion.

Each game that's released with a missing mode or RT omitted or any other weirdness, which is different from the XSX counterpart, will only go on to further prove that Jason Ronald shouldn't have mislead the way he did.

That's my point and it's a point you agreed with too. You said yourself was in no position to promise what he did.

Next time we have a discussion provide evidence to the contrary, rather than SonyToo or goalposts moving about HW features.

Your argument since you had agreed with me has been absurd to say the least.

Oh and stop lying. That would help too.
 
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DarkMage619 said:
I stand by my statement. Sony made a big deal about being all about generations and then backtracked. Compared to MS which will soon allow X1 consoles to play Series games. One was consistent one changed their mind. This also has nothing to do with the XSS but glad you stopped by.
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Is this where you preemptively also turn another not entirely correct statement from your old pal Phil into a truth:

"We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios,” “That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One."

Cool I guess you're trying to tell me Flight Sim is playable on xbox one through xCloud. I guess PS4 and PS5 have amazing BC through PSNow too when xbox had none. No? Thought not.
 
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Riky

Riky

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Three said:
Is this where you preemptively also turn another not entirely correct statement from your old pal Phil into a truth:

"We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios,” “That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One."

Cool I guess you're trying to tell me Flight Sim is playable on xbox one through xCloud. I guess PS4 and PS5 have amazing BC through PSNow too when xbox had none. No? Thought not.
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Can a PS4 play Rift Apart through PS Now?
 
dcmk7

dcmk7

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Three said:
"We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios,” “That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One."

Cool I guess you're trying to tell me Flight Sim is playable on xbox one through xCloud. I guess PS4 and PS5 have amazing BC through PSNow too when xbox had none. No? Thought not.
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You won't get much of an answer from him.

But some word of warning..

DarkMage619 said:
If you can't be bothered to back up your position with evidence it simply shows why we shouldn't take your opinion seriously.
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He's running a girls committee meeting over there

..and they might not accept your post as valid :messenger_grinning_smiling:

I don't think I've ever read a more tragic sentence on this forum.
 
DarkMage619

DarkMage619

$MSFT
Three said:
Is this where you preemptively also turn another not entirely correct statement from your old pal Phil into a truth:

"We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios,” “That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One."

Cool I guess you're trying to tell me Flight Sim is playable on xbox one through xCloud. I guess PS4 and PS5 have amazing BC through PSNow too when xbox had none. No? Thought not.
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First off this has nothing to do with the XSS. Secondly out of all the games MS has published you found one game that isn't on X1 natively. You are arguing that is the same as saying 'we believe in generations' and then backtracking putting GT7 and GoW on PS4? Your stuff about the PS4 is still way off because I have not heard any initiatives allowing PS4 owners to play PS5 games via PS Now or any other means. In fact PS Now doesn't have any PS5 games AT ALL. How is this in ANYWAY showing MS was not honest about their plans to continue to support X1 customers? What is to stop MS from putting Flight Simulator on xClould later? Do you know what you are even talking about?

dcmk7 said:
Unable to prove any of this.. Since you've made it up.

It's hilarious you put a SonyToo in there when we are specifically talking about Jason Ronald and the XSS marketing piece. Another desperate goalpost moving attempted. And further demonstrates you had no intention of it being a sincere discussion.

Each game that's released with a missing mode or RT omitted or any other weirdness, which is different from the XSX counterpart, will only go on to further prove that Jason Ronald shouldn't have mislead the way he did.

That's my point and it's a point you agreed with too. You said yourself was in no position to promise what he did.

Next time we have a discussion provide evidence to the contrary, rather than SonyToo or goalposts moving about HW features.

Your argument since you had agreed with me has been absurd to say the least.

Oh and stop lying. That would help too.
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Show the features the XSS lacks. Plain and simple. You want to blame the hardware maker for what game makers do? It's a two way street. Sony has lied according to your own standard. Jason Ronald is a hardware guy he can only speak about hardware features.

Riky said:
Can a PS4 play Rift Apart through PS Now?
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If so Jim Ryan vindicated! He was only kidding about the generations stuff.

dcmk7 said:
You won't get much of an answer from him.

But some word of warning..



He's running a girls committee meeting over there

..and they might not accept your post as valid :messenger_grinning_smiling:

I don't think I've ever read a more tragic sentence on this forum.
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*scans for list of features MS 'lied' about regarding the XSS* *continues to believe poster knows nothing of what he posts*
 
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Werewolfgrandma

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dcmk7 said:
I have tried at least 3 times :messenger_grinning_smiling:

They won't stop. It will spill into other threads. It's weird.
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It spills from your side just as often. If not first in pretty much every thread series s doesn't have parody.

You guys realize your arguing pr statements right? They are all bullshit wrapped but just true enough to not be illegal. This is the case for all pr and marketing material for every product basically ever. So I'll tell you who is right. Neither of you. Both the stances are too far to the sides when the truth much like a Tootsie pop lies in the middle.
 
dcmk7

dcmk7

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Werewolfgrandma said:
You guys realize your arguing pr statements right? They are all bullshit wrapped but just true enough to not be illegal
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Exactly. I'm glad someone understands how it works.

It happens everywhere but because someone has mentioned that MS has fallen foul and put out some misleading PR. It's caused some people to feel personally offended and unable to cope.
And this thread is the aftermath of someone proving the misleading PR claim.

But I'm trying get out of here now, since not much left to say on the matter. Since it's all said and done.
 
sircaw

sircaw

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alabtrosMyster said:
Lazy ... at least look up what the word means if you don't know.

Nothing moved, there is no need to move any goal post, you were too lazy to even get to the first one.
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Who needs enemies when you got friends like this lol "lollipop_disappointed:

Damn Albatros, it must be a scary time when family and loved ones give you presents at xmas.( For them :messenger_heart: )
 
Riky

Riky

$MSFT
"FSR could prove particularly beneficial on Xbox Series S, which is starting to achieve impressive results after a slightly underwhelming start. More games are now targeting the console’s promised resolution of 1440p instead of 1080p, and we’re seeing more games consistently hit 60fps or 120fps in a number of titles. FSR will only help get a higher quality image and better framerates out of upcoming games, so it’s good news for console gamers in general."

www.techradar.com

Xbox Series X games are already benefiting from AMD’s not-so-secret weapon

The Myst is starting to clear
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com
 
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Three

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DarkMage619 said:
First off this has nothing to do with the XSS. Secondly out of all the games MS has published you found one game that isn't on X1 natively. You are arguing that is the same as saying 'we believe in generations' and then backtracking putting GT7 and GoW on PS4?
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Nope I'm just saying you're full of it always defending MS with statements that are clearly less ambiguous where you can't see it but then turn around and turn other vague statements from others into "lies" and I unlike you actually called the GT7 trailer misleading unlike you who can't accept anything MS says as misleading or incorrect then talk about taking it to the BBB. You're a hypocrite that's all.
 
DarkMage619

DarkMage619

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Three said:
Nope I'm just saying you're full of it always defending MS with statements that are clearly less ambiguous where you can't see it but then turn around and turn other vague statements from others into "lies" and I unlike you actually called the GT7 trailer misleading unlike you who can't accept anything MS says as misleading or incorrect then talk about taking it to the BBB. You're a hypocrite that's all.
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MS was attacked for supporting the X1 during this cross generational. They were honest about supporting the X1. xCloud will be on X1 further showing their commitment to what they originally stated. Jim Ryan said they believe in generations. Many here praised his comments. Then Sony proceeded to announce multiple games going to PS4 despite all the commentary about the believing in generations. To conclude that MS has lied is ridiculous.

It has nothing to do with defending MS it is simply noting one company was up front with their plans and was ridiculed other company was not up front and was praised. That may be cool for you if you happen to like the company that wasn't forthcoming but I didn't think that was cool. There is nothing hypocritical about that at all. When MS comes out and says they believe in generations and I praise them you can talk about hypocritical statements. I have been consistent the entire time. As I have about the XSS which is what this topic is about. :messenger_winking:

You want to claim that MS 'lied' about the XSS simply prove it by listing the features it lacks. It isn't that hard.
 
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dcmk7

dcmk7

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Three said:
Nope I'm just saying you're full of it always defending MS with statements that are clearly less ambiguous where you can't see it but then turn around and turn other vague statements from others into "lies" and I unlike you actually called the GT7 trailer misleading unlike you who can't accept anything MS says as misleading or incorrect then talk about taking it to the BBB. You're a hypocrite that's all.
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DarkMage619 said:
MS was attacked for supporting the X1 during this cross generational. They were honest about supporting the X1. xCloud will be on X1 further showing their commitment to what they originally stated. Jim Ryan said they believe in generations. Many here praised his comments. Then Sony proceeded to announce multiple games going to PS4 despite all the commentary about the believing in generations. To conclude that MS has lied is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with defending MS it is simply noting one company was up front with their plans and was ridiculed other company was not up front and was praised. Many that's cool for you if you happen to like the company that wasn't forthcoming but I didn't think that was cool. There is nothing hypocritical about that at all. When MS comes out and says they believe in generations and I praise them you can talk about hypocritical statements. I have been consistent the entire time. As I have about the XSS which is what this topic is about. :messenger_winking:

You want to claim that MS 'lied' about the XSS simply prove it by listing the features it lacks. It isn't that hard.
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People have proved where they said explicitly it will be "just at a lower res" with screenshots for you. People have proven that they said "next couple of years all MGS games will be on xbox one" you just turn a blind eye to it. What you don't turn a blind eye to though is "we believe in generations" meaning "no cross gen games" and it's so obvious why. It's like talking to a brick wall. You obviously will not see it.
 
DarkMage619

DarkMage619

$MSFT
Three said:
People have proved where they said explicitly it will be "just at a lower res" with screenshots for you. People have proven that they said "next couple of years all MGS games will be on xbox one" you just turn a blind eye to it. What you don't turn a blind eye to though is "we believe in generations" meaning "no cross gen games" and it's so obvious why. It's like talking to a brick wall. You obviously will not see it.
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That proves NOTHING. MS can only provide the hardware for devs to use. HOW they use it is up to them. There are plenty of 2D games on the XSX|S right now. Does that mean the systems' aren't capable of rendering games in 3D? You guys can't be this silly.

Just like your statements claiming MS wouldn't be making graphically impressive games you don't know what you are talking about. Whether games hit the X1 natively or whether its through xClould the system will continue to be able to play games well past the end of official support. That has never been done before in the console space and it's something that should be praised seeing how it respects the investment a person made when buying the hardware. It is a goodwill gesture especially after the last generation where MS took their eye off the ball with games.

None of that exists on the Sony side. There are plenty of Sony fans willing to call out being misled with the promises of a hard stop to the PS4 generation. To try and argue that the XSS is similar is ridiculous because intelligent people know that the hardware maker can't be blamed for what a developer chooses to do or NOT do. Most people who actually have used the XSS like the system. How many people loved Jim Ryan backtracking on his believe in generations comment? That should tell you all you need to know. The XSS is great for its target audience, Sony fans don't like it. Nothing about that is shocking.
 
dcmk7

dcmk7

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Three said:
People have proved where they said explicitly it will be "just at a lower res" with screenshots for you
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Yep, can't get much more proof than a video, some captioned screenshots of the absurd claim and a host of games that have many differences aside from resolution.
The marketing should have been a lot more honest and realistic. And kept expectations in check.
 
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THE DUCK

THE DUCK

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dcmk7 said:
Exactly. I'm glad someone understands how it works.

It happens everywhere but because someone has mentioned that MS has fallen foul and put out some misleading PR. It's caused some people to feel personally offended and unable to cope.
And this thread is the aftermath of someone proving the misleading PR claim.

But I'm trying get out of here now, since not much left to say on the matter. Since it's all said and done.
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That's fine to call out some misleading pr, the question we keep asking you and you keep repeatedly dodging, is why the series S and not all the other consoles? What makes it so special that it gets all of your time and attention? (The question has nothing to do with goalposts) Do you hate long beards? Microsoft? White consoles?

They all mislead, like werewolf said, to extreme points at times.
 
Bernd Lauert

Bernd Lauert

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dcmk7 said:
Exactly. I'm glad someone understands how it works.

It happens everywhere but because someone has mentioned that MS has fallen foul and put out some misleading PR. It's caused some people to feel personally offended and unable to cope.
And this thread is the aftermath of someone proving the misleading PR claim.

But I'm trying get out of here now, since not much left to say on the matter. Since it's all said and done.
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"Someone has mentioned" = You derailing every single thread where the Series S is mentioned with the same old nonsense talking point 🤭

Everyone who has a tiny bit of common sense and is not a console warrior realizes that Jason Ronald has no say in how devs choose to graphically implement a game on each console. He was just talking about hardware features.
 
twilo99

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Riky said:
"FSR could prove particularly beneficial on Xbox Series S, which is starting to achieve impressive results after a slightly underwhelming start. More games are now targeting the console’s promised resolution of 1440p instead of 1080p, and we’re seeing more games consistently hit 60fps or 120fps in a number of titles. FSR will only help get a higher quality image and better framerates out of upcoming games, so it’s good news for console gamers in general."

www.techradar.com

Xbox Series X games are already benefiting from AMD’s not-so-secret weapon

The Myst is starting to clear
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com
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I don't think FSR is the end goal with this one.. I heave a sneaky suspicion that there is more to come from Microsoft when it comes to upscaling tech and it will be system level, just like the FPS boost trickery.
 
twilo99

twilo99

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Bernd Lauert said:
It depends. There are Unreal Engine demos that do look photorealistic. They're entirely static though and obviously not games.
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True, but what I am saying is that statements like that are rather arbitrary. Some devs can do more with less... I would say that MW 2019 shows some mild forms of "photo realism" and that can be seen on sub 10TFs.
 
dcmk7

dcmk7

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Bernd Lauert said:
Everyone who has a tiny bit of common sense and is not a console warrior realizes that Jason Ronald has no say in how devs choose to graphically implement a game on each console.
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That is pretty much my point.

He was in no position to make his claim but decided it's a good marketing line into throw in the mix.

Everyone who has a tiny bit of common sense and is not a console warrior
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Interestingly the majority of users I've been discussing with have been banned for console warring multiple times. Including you :messenger_winking:

dvdvideo said:
the question we keep asking you and you keep repeatedly dodging, is why the series S and not all the other consoles? What makes it so special that it gets all of your time and attention?
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Dodging? No, I'm sure I've mentioned it here already..

You will find posts of mine where I have criticised Sony's 'believe in generations' PR as well as the sub HD resolutions for both PS5 and XSX.

But those posts are, at least usually, in respective threads and doesn't trigger anyone really.. this topic is about XSS, and my whole point was between Jason Ronald and XSS marketing. To involve other consoles, for something which should have been a simple, uncontentious point, wasn't really warranted.

But as soon as you mention XSS in a negative light, you get some defenders group up and turn the discussion into a cesspool.
 
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THE DUCK

THE DUCK

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Interesting, here in Canada I don't think I've ever seen a full on displayer like that for any console gaming machine..... ever......just the cards to take up front for the console.
 
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