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[Heisenberg007]

They have the old mind set as op said. Old business ain't working this gen.

So far, Sony has 1 knife stabbed at themselves. The price tag for their games, at the worst time possible. Considering we are on a pandemic, who the hell raises the price for games to 70$.
And that is when your competition is saying, hey, you can spend that 70$ to get 4 month of gamepass, 5 month for 75$, and you get all our games day1, 3rd party games we sign, and you get cloud for free, they can play on their pc.

That is like giving a head start to your opponent on a racing card.

If they don't adopt to the market right now, they will be left far behind.

Nintendo isn't worried, since they survived a whole gen, without alot of 3rd party games. Its not a problem for them.

So Sony is losing this gen? Selling fewer consoles than its competitor? Producing low-quality games? Releasing fewer games?

Do you have any facts or credible data to back up your claim that this method is not working for this generation?

 

[Fulcizombie]

Only thing remotely enjoyable from the Zenimax studios in recent years is Doom 2016 and that was 5 years ago.

And yet Sony was eager to pay for two Zenimax timed exclusives and was in negotiations for Zenimax’ biggest title in the last few years , Starfield, so Sony obvioulsy doesn’t agree with that.

Anyway happy to see Jim Ryan speaking against «throwing money», speaks volumes about what MS has in store in the near future in terms of buyouts, gamepass days one titles e.t.c. I’d rather have a company throwing money than asking 80€ for a new ratchet and Clank game and Returnal.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

So Sony is losing this gen? Selling fewer consoles than its competitor? Producing low-quality games? Releasing fewer games?

Do you have any facts or credible data to back up your claim that this method is not working for this generation?

Console sales don't matter!
(I chuckle)

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

And yet Sony was eager to pay for two Zenimax timed exclusives and was in negotiations for Zenimax’ biggest title in the last few years , Starfield, so Sony obvioulsy doesn’t agree with that.

Have these games been reviewed

 

[Fulcizombie]

Have these games been reviewed

No but Sony money hatted them so they obviously don’t agree about Zenimax’ titles in general anyway unless Sony likes.....throwing money !!!

 

[Elios83]

Some people aren't even reading the quote.
Jim is saying that throwing money at developers won't magically create great, critically acclaimed and successful games.
You have to cultivate the talents over the years, create the right culture with a really solid project management.

And he's totally right even if some people don't like it.
So far we have seen like most of the studios MS has bought aren't releasing much, the Halo series is simply mismanaged, Rare has rebooted their new game, Ninja Theory is still talking about vertical slices after a few years...
It takes more than just money when you have to deliver.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No but Sony money hatted them so they obviously don’t agree about Zenimax’ titles in general anyway unless Sony likes.....throwing money !!!

You said critically acclaimed.
I am not saying 80s/100 is bad by any means but that's a hit or miss review score range.

 

[Gargauth]

Why do you please are always looking who's "winning" and who's "losing"? Why the tribalist nature? Unless you have some financial stake in the company, it is irrelevant. Microsoft is at long last bringing heat to Sony and I love it. This is the only way customers win.

I love my PS5, Xbox and PC. I primarily play on PC because that's where I have most of my games. Can't wait for some of the great games Sony is bringing to market in coming months/years, as much as I'm looking forward to Microsoft's games.

 

[Fulcizombie]

You said critically acclaimed.
I am not saying 80s/100 is bad by any means but that's a hit or miss review score range.

I never use terms like «critically acclaimed» because I only trust 2-3 media outlets anyway and don’t give a shit about what ratings random sites give to a game.

 

[Banjo64]

It’s threads like this that make me happy that I own all platforms.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I never use terms like «critically acclaimed» because I only trust 2-3 media outlets anyway and don’t give a shit about what ratings random sites give to a game.

My mistake.
I thought you was the one who said this...

PS5 Off to a Stronger Start Than PS4 Says Jim Ryan, “Throwing Money” Won’t Lead to Success

I think you are over valuing zenimax i have no doubt he would have liked for them to remain independent, but it was a good move for Microsoft they needed it the absolute most out of the 3 platform holders. And while u have people on playstation who previously bought or look forward to there...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Panajev2001a]

things change imo, especially under a bean counter like jimbo. was playstation ever known to stretch xgen for over 3 years?

You are utterly incapable of being objective about this, aren’t you ? What does it have anything to do with it beside you stretching the truth and ignoring the exclusives that have come out on PS5 and the ones yet to come out?

 

[GeorgPrime]

Jim salty about Bethesda purchase?

And gamepass too cause it's getting games day 1 that he wanna charge $100 for. Makes him look like a jerk.

Salty about a glorified AA developer?

 

[Banjo64]

Salty about a glorified AA developer?

 

[Spidey Fan]

So Sony is losing this gen? Selling fewer consoles than its competitor? Producing low-quality games? Releasing fewer games?

Do you have any facts or credible data to back up your claim that this method is not working for this generation?

People are more open to gaming these days.
Microsoft method ignores the low console sales. Considering they are going crazy for cloud service.

Cloud gaming as of now is in beta form. But we saw good it is, with stadia, despite that system having no 1st party games, it plays the games like a high end pc gaming.

Gamepass would be the bargain bin for Microsoft to increase their hardware sales. You might not like it, but others will love a service like that.

The biggest reason however is 3rd party sales. Right now gamepass is in baby mode phase. Once Microsoft start doing starfield and 1st party after that day1, other publishers will want their games on that service. This would mean potentially sales lost on Sony side. The people who will buy those games on Playstation, wouldn't be able to buy it there. And 1 contributer is XSS, which Playstation people will like to get it alongside their ps5. And the 70$ price tag too.

That is how blockbuster lost their dominance. It wasn't overnight, but little things that made it lose its kings position. And if Sony ignores those signs, they would definitely be on the blockbuster route.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

People are more open to gaming these days.
Microsoft method ignores the low console sales. Considering they are going crazy for cloud service.

Cloud gaming as of now is in beta form. But we saw good it is, with stadia, despite that system having no 1st party games, it plays the games like a high end pc gaming.

Gamepass would be the bargain bin for Microsoft to increase their hardware sales. You might not like it, but others will love a service like that.

The biggest reason however is 3rd party sales. Right now gamepass is in baby mode phase. Once Microsoft start doing starfield and 1st party after that day1, other publishers will want their games on that service. This would mean potentially sales lost on Sony side. The people who will buy those games on Playstation, wouldn't be able to buy it there. And 1 contributer is XSS, which Playstation people will like to get it alongside their ps5. And the 70$ price tag too.

That is how blockbuster lost their dominance. It wasn't overnight, but little things that made it lose its kings position. And if Sony ignores those signs, they would definitely be on the blockbuster route.

First you tell me you can't tell the difference between an axe and a gun and now you think third parties are going to join gamepass without a monetary incentive?

 

[fermcr]

Oh Jim Ryan...Hypocrite much!
"“Throwing Money” Won’t Lead to Success"

... and yet, Sony has been throwing money around to get the most 3rd party exclusives/timed they can.

 

[Spidey Fan]

First you tell me you can't tell the difference between an axe and a gun and now you think third parties are going to join gamepass without a monetary incentive?

If you want to stick to the old stuff, good for you.
If you want to this discussion, then I am open to it.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

They sound worried about money being thrown.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

If you want to stick to the old stuff, good for you.
If you want to this discussion, then I am open to it.

I'm asking you now. Did your brain fart to come to such a dumb conclusion?

The only reason xbox is still spending shit tons of money getting third party games day one is because their first party output can't cover it yet. Once they've done that you're going to see less third party day one games, and unless Xbox pays them, no, third parties will not beg phil to get on the program.

 

[RoboFu]

Then stop throwing money for 3rd party exclusives! Lol

 

[Spidey Fan]

I'm asking you now. Did your brain fart to come up with such a dumb conclusion?

The only reason xbox is still spending shit tons of money getting third party games day one is because their first party output can't cover it yet. Once they've done that you're going to see less third party day one games, and unless Xbox pays them, no, third parties will not beg phil to get on the program.

Since you are stuck at your old arguments, I will tell you.

God of war, and uncharted 1 feels the same, because of the linear story, climbing, and nonstop useless enemies, with puzzles, which makes the experience redundant. The more you play it, the more similarities it shares.

And as for 3rd party, its for gamepass growth, which you still can't comprehend it. Microsoft can do their 1st party, but that is a bad strategy for a service like gamepass. Your content alone won't make the service viable. People like other games. And if you want to add them to your service, you need those 3rd party games.

For example, the yakuza games. Xbox had no reason to put those games on gamepass, but they did. And this bolstered their gamepass sub to a certain numbers. Those who liked the yakuza series, can enjoy the entire saga on gamepass. It also allows existent subs to enjoy this new experience of yakuza games.

And the best example for that is their e3. Microsoft had no reason to put those indie games in their platform. They could have negotiated EA to put battlefield on gamepass, but they went a head, and put those indie games instead. Because its targeting people who have different taste.

3rd parties will do. And mark my word when I say it, because no way will a publisher ignore gamepass once it passes 30m subs. Considering those numbers are the monthly active for that month alone. This means, more players for their games.

 

[MonarchJT]

Are those games transparent? I don't see them. When did they get released?

hey Bo you know this will end a bit like with unreal5 right? What will you do when Halo Infinite and Forza5H come out this year and both sell a lot, very, very, very much of any game released on PS5 so far? Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

hey Bo you know this will end a bit like with unreal5 right? What will you do when Halo Infinite and Forza5H come out this year and both sell a lot, very, very, very much of any game released on PS5 so far? Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

What are you even saying? Halo Infinite is F2P, and FH5 day one on Gamepass. Have you ever seen actual numbers released from MS about game sales lately? No, so don't expect much in the future.

Also FH5 is a wonderful game, but you need to calm your expectations sales-wise. PS5 will have a much larger library of games, and so far it's like 3 new games in around 2 years from first party xbox exclusives from 2020-2022, could face delays as well. That's the reality of things. The gap is already massive and it'll get even bigger going forward.

 

[Birdo]

Saying that throwing money won't lead to success is a bit hypocritical when they buy so many timed exclusives.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Saying that throwing money won't lead to success is a bit hypocritical when they buy so many timed exclusives.

Yes, agreed. If he actually said that .

“Nurturing creative talent is not as simple as throwing money at it. You also must give them the freedom to be creative, to take risks and come up with new ideas. Just look at Ghost of Tsushima from Sucker Punch. That was not the game we thought they were going to make, but we are not overly rigid or corporate with our talent. We want them to use our hardware as their creative palette.”

 

[Birdo]

Yes, agreed. If he actually said that .

“Nurturing creative talent is not as simple as throwing money at it. You also must give them the freedom to be creative, to take risks and come up with new ideas. Just look at Ghost of Tsushima from Sucker Punch. That was not the game we thought they were going to make, but we are not overly rigid or corporate with our talent. We want them to use our hardware as their creative palette.”

I only read thread titles.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Since you are stuck at your old arguments, I will tell you.

God of war, and uncharted 1 feels the same, because of the linear story, climbing, and nonstop useless enemies, with puzzles, which makes the experience redundant. The more you play it, the more similarities it shares.

Your justification never gets old lmao. So fucking stupid.

And as for 3rd party, its for gamepass growth, which you still can't comprehend it. Microsoft can do their 1st party, but that is a bad strategy for a service like gamepass. Your content alone won't make the service viable. People like other games. And if you want to add them to your service, you need those 3rd party games.

So unless xbox keep burning cash flow for content its not viable. Yeah that's working real well for netflix lmao

For example, the yakuza games. Xbox had no reason to put those games on gamepass, but they did. And this bolstered their gamepass sub to a certain numbers. Those who liked the yakuza series, can enjoy the entire saga on gamepass. It also allows existent subs to enjoy this new experience of yakuza games.

Okay?

And the best example for that is their e3. Microsoft had no reason to put those indie games in their platform. They could have negotiated EA to put battlefield on gamepass, but they went a head, and put those indie games instead. Because its targeting people who have different taste.

You meant it was cheaper to add a bunch of indie games to cover a longer period of time.

You son't seem to get the point of their strategy. Its about adding content on a monthly basis so someone like me doesn't cancel after one month of playing battlefield. Having a big hitter every now and then doesn't work.

3rd parties will do. And mark my word when I say it, because no way will a publisher ignore gamepass once it passes 30m subs. Considering those numbers are the monthly active for that month alone. This means, more players for their games.

They will ignore it xbox doesn't provide a monetary incentive.

If the playerbase is all they care about and their fine with giving their game away for free, then i have another suggestion for those developers

Its called free to play

 

[nikolino840]

Then why do you throw money to timed exclusives?

Sony spent +300 million so far this year on second party deals

Thought this was worth a separate thread. This's as of Q3 so any deals done in Q4 (Jan-March 2021) could increase this further, and since this covers a period of 7 years it means some of these projects have obviously not been announced yet.

www.resetera.com

 

[longdi]

Yes, agreed. If he actually said that .

“Nurturing creative talent is not as simple as throwing money at it. You also must give them the freedom to be creative, to take risks and come up with new ideas. Just look at Ghost of Tsushima from Sucker Punch. That was not the game we thought they were going to make, but we are not overly rigid or corporate with our talent. We want them to use our hardware as their creative palette.”

the thing is, why must he throw out the 'throwing money at it' quote?

isnt it clear the direction he is throwing shade at?

that is what irks me. double speako jimbo.

 

[Spidey Fan]

What are you even saying? Halo Infinite is F2P, and FH5 day one on Gamepass. Have you ever seen actual numbers released from MS about game sales lately? No, so don't expect much in the future.

Also FH5 is a wonderful game, but you need to calm your expectations sales-wise. PS5 will have a much larger library of games, and so far it's like 3 games in around 2 years from first party xbox from 2020-2022, could face delays as well. That's the reality of things. The gap is already massive and it'll get even bigger in favor to Sony going forward.

Sales wise is nothing. You need a player base. That is what keeps your series alive. Main problem for sales, is the discounts. The 10$ for God of war will act as a 60$, when someone is calculating the total number the game sold. While the player count, shows you how many people played your game. The later gives you the correct stats.

The MCC had more than 10m players played the game. Despite the game, being old collection of the series, and not having halo5.

For Microsoft, their primary goal is the monthly users, since they are transitioning to gamepass.

Unlike Sony, which needs sales data, due to their nature of their games. Those sales tells them, which game should they green light. Prime example is days gone. Player wise, it had alot, but sales wise, it was low for them, to consider a sequel.

 

[Panajev2001a]

the thing is, why must he throw out the 'throwing money at it' quote?

isnt it clear the direction he is throwing shade at?

that is what irks me. double speako jimbo.

You have an issue of double standards between Jim Ryan and Phil Spencer then, what can I say that you do not know already?

Ryan speaks = “let’s take it under the worst possible light and see how much nefarious we can make it sound”

Spencer speaks = “aaaw… so nice, so hopeful”

If that irks you in general and not just about PS matters, you would have raged at Phil many times, but you do not… not that I expect you to address this instead of ignoring it moving the argument elsewhere… but I will remain hopeful.

 

[MonarchJT]

What are you even saying? Halo Infinite is F2P, and FH5 day one on Gamepass. Have you ever seen actual numbers released from MS about game sales lately? No, so don't expect much in the future.

Also FH5 is a wonderful game, but you need to calm your expectations sales-wise. PS5 will have a much larger library of games, and so far it's like 3 new games in around 2 years from first party xbox exclusives from 2020-2022, could face delays as well. That's the reality of things. The gap is already massive and it'll get even bigger going forward.

it's 2021.. and there will be two massive big release ....3 if you count flight sim
mm was basically a dlc. demon soul a graphical remake of an old game ...i consider the only two PS5 games rachet and returnal ..but the last one is an AA and rachet can't compete with halo or forza

 

[mejin]

No empty promises is always a good thing.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sales wise is nothing. You need a player base. That is what keeps your series alive. Main problem for sales, is the discounts. The 10$ for God of war will act as a 60$, when someone is calculating the total number the game sold. While the player count, shows you how many people played your game. The later gives you the correct stats.

The MCC had more than 10m players played the game. Despite the game, being old collection of the series, and not having halo5.

For Microsoft, their primary goal is the monthly users, since they are transitioning to gamepass.

Unlike Sony, which needs sales data, due to their nature of their games. Those sales tells them, which game should they green light. Prime example is days gone. Player wise, it had alot, but sales wise, it was low for them, to consider a sequel.

Not really low, about Days Gone, it's more like the market is bloated with the tired Zombie trend. They are making a new IP, much bigger than Days Gone, which is healthy for gaming.

Now GOW has made more than $500M back, that's counted in 2019, so it could have reached more than that. Also it's been given for free with PS Plus along with other games that have passed their sales goal to gain more PS Plus subs, which is the biggest subscription in gaming with more than 47M.

So no, Sony is doing both, and doing both in a great way.

 

[Markio128]

There was defo a lull in releases during the 1st year of PS4 and I can’t say the same for PS5, but that’s just my opinion. I understand not everybody will enjoy games like Spider-Man, Demon’s Souls, Returnal, R&C, Sackboy, Disco Elysium and FF7 I, but I have loved every minute. If it continues like this, then I will be a very happy man.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

it's 2021.. and there will be two massive big release ....3 if you count flight sim
mm was basically a dlc. demon soul a graphical remake of an old game ...i consider the only two PS5 games rachet and returnal ..but the last one is an AA and rachet can't compete with halo or forza

What kind of stupid ass spin is this?

 

[hemo memo]

imagine what we will see in year two or three.

Yes I can imagine. Cross-gen games that don’t take full advantage of PS5 because of your stupid strategy.

 

[Godot25]

Throwing money won't lead to success?

Isn't Sony's strong exclusives lineup also covered by moneyhatted exclusives from third parties like Forspoken, Final Fantasy VII, Deathloop and Ghostwire?

Because this is clear example of throwing money to succeed...

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Throwing money won't lead to success?

Isn't Sony's strong exclusives lineup also covered by moneyhatted exclusives from third parties like Forspoken, Final Fantasy VII, Deathloop and Ghostwire?

Because this is clear example of throwing money to succeed...

Read the quote not the title

 

[MonarchJT]

What kind of stupid ass spin is this?

what spin? ...you will see flight sim, Forza horizon 5 and halo infinite in the 2021

mm was basically a dlc? returnal is an aa arcade and demon souls is a graphical remake of an old old game ..rachet is objectively the only one that we could call big release ...but it honestly can't compete with both halo and Forza....that we can bet our ass will see enormous reception being released on PC and console same day

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

what spin? ...you will see flight sim, Forza horizon 5 and halo infinite in the 2021

mm was basically a dlc? returnal is an aa arcade and demon souls is a graphical remake of an old old game ..rachet is objectively the only one that we could call big release ...but it honestly can't compete with both halo and Forza

Who gives a shit what you personally consider those games to be? You juat sound like you're coming up with excuses to dismiss any game that outsells forza or halo

 

[Spidey Fan]

Your justification never gets old lmao. So fucking stupid.


So unless xbox keep burning cash flow for content its not viable. Yeah that's working real well for netflix lmao


Okay?


You meant it was cheaper to add a bunch of indie games to cover a longer period of time.

You son't seem to get the point of their strategy. Its about adding content on a monthly basis so someone like me doesn't cancel after one month of playing battlefield. Having a big hitter every now and then doesn't work.



They will ignore it xbox doesn't provide a monetary incentive.

If the playerbase is all they care about and their fine with giving their game away for free, then i have another suggestion for those developers

Its called free to play

You still acting ass, despite me giving you the solid evidence.

I guess you have 0 clue about how business work. I dont blame you, your mind is warped on that box, that its hard for you to see how successful that business is.

Netflix isn't a burning cash, considering they are the king of contents, despite not having that much ip. And they hit that, by doing 3rd party deals.

The indies are much better value wise, compared to battlefield. Considering the game would be in gamepass in 6 month. That would mean a waste of money.

And those indie games, actually attracts people. Not every one like you, who cares about the popular games. Everyone has their niche games they like. That is what Microsoft is targeting. Getting those games, makes gamepass a great offer. Considering the service has wide selection of genre.

They have no reason to do that. By adding those games, it shows people that they are putting new games on the service, and not just old title. Makes the service much more fresh. Then again, you wont give a shit about it.

3rd party will care. They aren't like you, who is a warrior console. They are business. Instead of just putting their games on the console, and waiting for sales, they are likely to get paid more with gamepass. Like I said before, gamepass allows you to buy games. When people try these games, they are willing to buy it. Just like how it was in the old days of demo. Try the game before you buy it. Makes it much more worth your money, than buying it straight forward (cyberpunk2077).

Your last point shows your stupidity very clearly. It was my mistake honestly to respond to you.

I will suggest you to take a break from this website, go take a fresh breath, and learn how business work. It might help you change your mind, since you are clearly up to your ass.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You still acting ass, despite me giving you the solid evidence.

I guess you have 0 clue about how business work. I dont blame you, your mind is warped on that box, that its hard for you to see how successful that business is.

Netflix isn't a burning cash, considering they are the king of contents, despite not having that much ip. And they hit that, by doing 3rd party deals.

The indies are much better value wise, compared to battlefield. Considering the game would be in gamepass in 6 month. That would mean a waste of money.

And those indie games, actually attracts people. Not every one like you, who cares about the popular games. Everyone has their niche games they like. That is what Microsoft is targeting. Getting those games, makes gamepass a great offer. Considering the service has wide selection of genre.

They have no reason to do that. By adding those games, it shows people that they are putting new games on the service, and not just old title. Makes the service much more fresh. Then again, you wont give a shit about it.

3rd party will care. They aren't like you, who is a warrior console. They are business. Instead of just putting their games on the console, and waiting for sales, they are likely to get paid more with gamepass. Like I said before, gamepass allows you to buy games. When people try these games, they are willing to buy it. Just like how it was in the old days of demo. Try the game before you buy it. Makes it much more worth your money, than buying it straight forward (cyberpunk2077).

Your last point shows your stupidity very clearly. It was my mistake honestly to respond to you.

I will suggest you to take a break from this website, go take a fresh breath, and learn how business work. It might help you change your mind, since you are clearly up to your ass.

Don't come to me about business when you don't even understand the netflix business model

 

[Godot25]

Read the quote not the title

That quote makes even less sense as a dig to Xbox because Microsoft is pretty much hands off with their studios.

Yeah.. Microsoft bought buch of studios but then gave them creative freedom and allowed organic growth within studios.

Of course throwing money will lead to success. Just look at the perception of Xbox in last few months when they started to throwing money at studios and Game Pass deals. And that also translates to the Game Pass growth which is most important metric for Microsoft

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

That quote makes even less sense as a dig to Xbox because Microsoft is pretty much hands off with their studios.

Yeah.. Microsoft bought buch of studios but then gave them creative freedom and allowed organic growth within studios.

Of course throwing money will lead to success. Just look at the perception of Xbox in last few months when they started to throwing money at studios and Game Pass deals. And that also translates to the Game Pass growth which is most important metric for Microsoft

Maybe because it wasn't meant to be a dig. The context of that quote was where Sont felt they improved coming of the PS4

 

[BootsLoader]

So why is every company selling out of everything?

Cars, Caravans, Consoles, GPUs, lots of different products and sectors experiencing the same thing because of COVID.

I said part of their success, not the reason for it.



Facts.... Sony and MS and Nintendo (and many other companies) have had increased sales from COVID.

There is demand for many products because people stay a lot in their houses due to covid. But not every company is selling out everything, you’re very very wrong here. Many companies where shut down or not selling well because of not solid plans available. You can’t just think that “they will buy because COVID”. You have to make a great product, market it, ship it (shipping was very very hard due to covid) and then deliver it to the door of your customer. After that you have to support that product with great software which is harder to produce due to covid and home office. Many teams had a hard time making good software because home office has many restrictions.
Now you think that Sony is lucky? No, Sony’s success is because they nailed it with ps4 and had a stable AAA software output even with COVID.
Nintendo success because of COVID? No my friend, it’s not because of that, it’s because they have a market to sell to, they have loyal customers who are waiting to buy specific software from them. This loyal customer base took Nintendo many years to build. So it’s not from covid again.

In business there is no such think as luck. That is why it’s called business and not lottery.

 

[Varteras]

It's Saturday guys. You're off the clock now. No reason to keep putting in the work.

 

[Spidey Fan]

Not really low, about Days Gone, it's more like the market is bloated with the tired Zombie trend. They are making a new IP, much bigger than Days Gone, which is healthy for gaming.

Now GOW has made more than $500M back, that's counted in 2019, so it could have reached more than that. Also it's been given for free with PS Plus along with other games that have passed their sales goal to gain more PS Plus subs, which is the biggest subscription in gaming with more than 47M.

So no, Sony is doing both, and doing both in a great way.

Ps+ is a great service. I won't argue with you on that one. I will be an idiot to do so.

The zombie market isn't bloated. Its the way that is being done, is the problem. Look at last of us 2. 1 was boring gameplay, but had good story. Made it different from other zombie games, but suffered due to its gameplay.

2nd one focused more on the characters, instead of the zombies actually. Which made the series great. You can argue with the characters, but the story, was much better, because of its characters.

Days gone main issue is the characters were boring, but the gameplay wise was fun, opposite of last of us 1. The variety of zombies in days gone were great. But all that greatness, come crushed down, due to the boring main character.

Resident evil on other hand, shows you how to do zombie game (Re6 never existed). Re7 focused more on baker family, and showed you how scary they are.

If you can make your player scared like re7, then you nailed your zombie movie. All that it needs is stop making your characters Goddamn super humans. They are citizens, not class A military. Show their emotions, and how hard it is to live out there with them.

 

[BootsLoader]

They have the old mind set as op said. Old business ain't working this gen.

So far, Sony has 1 knife stabbed at themselves. The price tag for their games, at the worst time possible. Considering we are on a pandemic, who the hell raises the price for games to 70$.
And that is when your competition is saying, hey, you can spend that 70$ to get 4 month of gamepass, 5 month for 75$, and you get all our games day1, 3rd party games we sign, and you get cloud for free, they can play on their pc.

That is like giving a head start to your opponent on a racing card.

If they don't adopt to the market right now, they will be left far behind.

Nintendo isn't worried, since they survived a whole gen, without alot of 3rd party games. Its not a problem for them.

You guys have a good sense of humor I give you that. I don’t understand where did you find this info? Sony is dominating the market right now. Why they should adapt other strategy? What are you talking about?
Sony customer base is very very different from MS customers. In Sony you wait for a AAA game that sets the bar in the current generation in both quality and story telling. With Sony you expect GOTY games when their top studios releases a new game. Is it the same with gamepass? No, gamepass customers are different. They seek other things, maybe fun, maybe variety to choose to play different games and that’s also great. Gamepass is a very good place to be but the games there are not setting any high standard in gaming so it’s normal that they don’t price them at 70$.
Every company has it’s own strategy, Sony is doing stunningly well until now so no need to change anything.