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PS5 Off to a Stronger Start Than PS4 Says Jim Ryan, “Throwing Money” Won’t Lead to Success

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It was stated in the Cerny tech outline speech. Yes I stated there weren’t many available but people in this thread are excusing Sony by saying there are NONE out there they meet the requirements.

It was stated that it would be sometime after launch, not December 2020.

Ok....I read this to say there were many available.

Also no, there are many SSDs on the market that are fast enough as per Cerny’s outlined speed requirements. Plenty of articles out there outlining ones that could potentially work due to their speed and build.
 

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I actually liked the PS4 launch and post launch better when it came to games.
Well maybe tastes...

PS4:
Knack
Killzone Shadownfall
Resogun
Infmous: Second Son

PS5:
Astro's Playroom
Demon's Souls
Destruction AllStars
Returnal
Racket & Clank

I should be missing one or two games but I did like the PS5 games more.
PS5 has more PC & PS5 exclusives that I did not listed too like Guilty Gear or PS (PS5 & PS4) exclusives like Miles Morales and Final Fantasy VIIR Intergrate.

In games terms PS5 is indeed better than PS4 at the same timeframe.
 
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Later this year for the next OS update?

So no VRR, no SSD expansion, no DLSS alternative and other notable features missing at release until a year after launch?

What is going on with the OS team? The OS was not stable at launch. It still has issues. Rest mode is a mess. No multitasking. The OS is a downgrade from the PS4 and they’re taking a long time to get it up to par and just get it stable.

I am still haunted by the sound of the disc drive spinning into oblivion in the middle of the night while I slept while the damn thing was in rest mode. Which is fixed now but Christ it should not have shipped to customers with those types of glaring issues.
get an xbox? im fine with my playstation5. if all that is offered by xbox you should get one....
 
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Well maybe tastes...

PS4:
Knack
Killzone Shadownfall
Resogun
Infmous: Second Son

PS5:
Astro's Playroom
Demon's Souls
Destruction AllStars
Returnal
Racket & Clank

I should be missing one or two games but I did like the PS5 games more.
PS5 has more PC & PS5 exclusives that I did not listed too like Guilty Gear or PS (PS5 & PS4) exclusives like Miles Morales and Final Fantasy VIIR Intergrate.

In games terms PS5 is indeed better than PS4 at the same timeframe.
Yeah but demon souls is a remake, Astros playroom is just a fun little game that makes use of the dual sense, the game is finished in 3 hours.

That's why I found PS4 better, new games with decent length. Because MM was also a bit short imo
 

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"Income Statement​

Currency in JPY. All numbers in thousands"

My man i hope you're not out there making investment decisions without even understanding exchange rates 🤭
The article I linked, and the Finviz link for Sony's finacials are not the same. The article is from Feb detailing Sony's Historical & current debt while the finviz link shows thier EBITDA.
which is to say that Sony indeed has more than $200B Very real US dollars of Debt, and that's after accountting for cash on hand.


Asking if I'm aware that a Japanese company uses the Japanese Yen on thier balance sheet is unnecessarily patronizing. Also to answer your question I don't "invest" anymore I trade Options/Leaps/ and sell Theta Decay to the impatient and inexperienced.
 
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All those figures have been taken by an algorithm and put into an article......

Just use some basic logic..... the article says that Sony has 17.66 TRILLION dollars in assets.

Did you not read that and immediately think something was strange?

Also.... 681.46 Billion yen is equal to about 6.1 billion dollars....... so back in 2017, yes they did have about 6 billion in longterm debt and now have about 7....exactly as I said above.
Are you high? I actually vet, and research companies I'm not familiar with before thinking about making a trade. And I do it a few times a week. "Algorithms making up numbers" are you being TF serious right now? Google who Lucken Coffee is, that's what happens when a company decides to fluff thier finacials or hide debt from investors, There are a litany of requirements that need to be met just to get listed on an exchange (obviously not OTC/pink sheets) and even more to remain listed. The SEC may not have a backbone but your high on something better than my weed if you think Sony can hide anything on their balance sheet.

P.S. those figures (in the article not the Finviz link) are in US dollars. It may be difficult to accept but Sony does indeed have billions of dollars of debt
 
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The article I linked, and the Finviz link for Sony's finacials are not the same. The article is from Feb detailing Sony's Historical & current debt while the finviz link shows thier EBITDA.
which is to say that Sony indeed has more than $200B Very real US dollars of Debt, after account info for cash on hand.


Asking if I'm aware that a Japanese company uses the the Japanese Yen on thier balance sheet is unnecessarily patronizing. Also to answer your question I don't "invest" I trade options/Leaps/ and sell Theta decay to the impatient and inexperienced.
Your article claimed they have 17 trillion in assets. Like how does that not raise alarm bells in your head as to the veracity of that statement? Their asset valuation is nearly as much as the US GDP, more than Chinas.

Stick to posting WSB loss porn. You're embarrassing yourself
 
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Your article claimed they have 17 trillion in assets. Like how does that not raise alarm bells in your head as to the veracity of that statement? Their asset valuation is nearly as much as the US GDP, more than Chinas.

Stick to posting WSB loss porn. You're embarrassing yourself
Yeah the 17 trillion is a typo from poor exchange conversion I'm sure. The Billions of debt is indeed in US dollars though. It's easier for you to ignore the fact that the same Billions in net Debt is also listed on barcode, yahoo finance, black box, google finance? You realize that you can go to the SEC's website and find their annual report yourself as well instead of going back and forth with me?.As far as loss porn, I can't help you there since my main account is is still 83% P/L post pandemic. WSB might be where you belong though, you've made some crayon eating comments with the apish confidence to boot🥴



EDIT:. QT1 2021 List Total Debt as 121 Billion now. I'm sure we can thank PS for Digging them out of the hole
 
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Yeah but demon souls is a remake, Astros playroom is just a fun little game that makes use of the dual sense, the game is finished in 3 hours.

That's why I found PS4 better, new games with decent length. Because MM was also a bit short imo

You're assuming everyone that bought a PS5, already played Demon Souls.
 

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Yeah the 17 trillion is a typo from poor exchange conversion I'm sure. The Billions of debt is indeed in US dollars though. It's easier for you to ignore the fact that the same Billions in net Debt is also listed on barcode, yahoo finance, black box, google finance? You realize that you can go to the SEC's website and find their annual report yourself as well instead of going back and forth with me?.As far as loss porn, I can't help you there since my main account is is still 83% P/L post pandemic. WSB might be where you belong though, you've made some crayon eating comments with the apish confidence to boot🥴



EDIT:. QT1 2021 List Total Debt as 121 Billion now. I'm sure we can thank PS for Digging them out of the hole
Ah yes the error that doesn't fit your agenda is a mistake, but the error that does is 100% correct. And let's just ignore all the evidence BryanK already provided to the contrary
 

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Ah yes the error that doesn't fit your agenda is a mistake, but the error that does is 100% correct. And let's just ignore all the evidence BryanK already provided to the contrary
Yes and no. The entire financial world, the SEC, and Sony themselves through thier last QT1 report plainly states they've got more than 100B's in big boy debt. That's fact, which is why you refuse to address it, even though that was the root of the Entire discussion. We've somehow gotten hung up on the fact that the article had shitty conversions, but won't talk about the real and present debt. I'm also not so much of a dickhead that I won't admit when I'm wrong( I did, and recognized the error in the article, didn't stealth edit any of my responses). A typo doesn't refute readily available and legally mandated holdings reports, especially public ones.
 

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You sure you are posting the right pic? That wasn't available "over 12 months ago" and the MSRP is still $230 although it does go on sale regularly.



I'm seeing about 5 manufacturers on Newegg that meet the requirements.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100011693 601342076 601357192 600414920

And when was December 2020 promised? As I recall they said it be after launch but no exact time frame was given.
Yep definitely just over 12 month ago…was $399 aud on release and now is around $230

I bought it as soon as it was released and was due to upgrade my pc but never took it out of the box as I never got around to transferring over files so once the ps5 was announced and confirmed to be using m2 bay i hung onto it expecting they would patch in the functionality pretty quick as the Xbox had it and the ps5 internal drive is tiny once you install a few games

im still very curious as to how the ps5 will handle the heat of the bay as most PCs have open space around the m2 ssd…the ps5 does not and looking at the cooling design it’s not setup very well for cooling in that area as the slot itself is recessed and is covered so it’s gonna be hot as fuck and it’s right next to the main fan so radiant heat is gonna pass through everything….I hope we don’t get a repeat of the hair dryer ps4
 
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Sorry, but how? That drive wasn't released until last late September 2020.

https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-9...nd-price-ready-for-pcie-4-0-at-last-22639073/

There were no PCI 4.0 solutions over twelve months ago from Samsung, so I’m interested in knowing how he got one in early 2020 too.


No doubt he will remember he either got his dates mixed, or he bought the previous version.
Kinda like how he remembers he’s a PlayStation fan when it’s time to concern troll. Shaaaaade
 
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You're assuming everyone that bought a PS5, already played Demon Souls.

Not everyone who bought/will buy a PS5 will want to play it tho. Statistically, attach rate for Souls-like games is a mere 2-3%, it's that kind of a niche genre, its the opposite of games with universal mass appealing like Spider-Man for example, its targeted audience is the same people who already played DS on PS3, and all the other Souls titles. I mean, the game doesn't show on the sales charts not without a reason.
 
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Not everyone who bought/will buy a PS5 will want to play it tho. Statistically, attach rate for Souls-like games is a mere 2-3%, it's that kind of a niche genre, its the opposite of games with universal mass appealing like Spider-Man for example, its targeted audience is the same people who already played DS on PS3, and all the other Souls titles. I mean, the game doesn't show on the sales charts not without a reason.

Everything you said is true. Yet, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be counted in the "awesome games that are exclusively on the PS5" list. Demon Souls Remake is a great reason to own a PS5 if someone is into those type of games. Especially if someone got into Soulbourne games within the last few years and never played it.
 
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You know poor people have the option to buy games and trade them in after? Costs you a tiny amount per game that way.

thanks for that bombshell…. Dunno what that has to do with my quote but thanks?
 
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Not everyone who bought/will buy a PS5 will want to play it tho. Statistically, attach rate for Souls-like games is a mere 2-3%, it's that kind of a niche genre, its the opposite of games with universal mass appealing like Spider-Man for example, its targeted audience is the same people who already played DS on PS3, and all the other Souls titles. I mean, the game doesn't show on the sales charts not without a reason.
A nieche genre gamer crowd that resulted in Elden Ring having most total views of all of E3 of any game announced*
 
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So a couple of things here, 'their devs' would be referring to internal or external devs. The insider article is clearly referring to external devs. Secondly the external Japanese devs were complaining cause it wasn't written down anywhere not that it was implemented.
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019...ship-policy-regarding-playstation-4-releases/
those were literally like the first articles on google, they've been altering scenes/content for awhile now especially the japanese. Internal vs external is irrelevant.
 
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Sony bragging about creative freedom? WTF, arn't their developers known for bitching about Sony forcing their games to be PC/Gay?

The only censoring I am aware of is pedo content in anime games.

Druckmann is the one responsible for making Last of Us 2 a saga about super stronk girls, not Sony as far as I am aware.
 

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Seriously, Gamepass isn’t an answer to an industry problem, it’s an answer to a Xbox problem.





This one sentence speaks more to MS' current situation than anything any videogame podcaster\reporter has said about Gamepass in 2 years!!! Some people are so up their own butt about Gamepass that they fail to realize that it's an answer to an Xbox problem, not a industry problem. Sony, Nintendo, nor Steam seem to have any issues selling games to people for them to own.

Don't get it twisted.....GP is a great service, but people need to chill with the "Sony needs an answer to GamePass" stuff.
 

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Yes and no. The entire financial world, the SEC, and Sony themselves through thier last QT1 report plainly states they've got more than 100B's in big boy debt. That's fact, which is why you refuse to address it, even though that was the root of the Entire discussion. We've somehow gotten hung up on the fact that the article had shitty conversions, but won't talk about the real and present debt. I'm also not so much of a dickhead that I won't admit when I'm wrong( I did, and recognized the error in the article, didn't stealth edit any of my responses). A typo doesn't refute readily available and legally mandated holdings reports, especially public ones.

The figures (all of them) were taken from the Yen figures and transposed directly onto the article, they were not converted (any of them).

Here is Sony's balance sheet going back the last few years in Dollars...



Note: Long term Debt is 7.268 Billion
 
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They’re currently controlling the sales game for sure. But this momentum could dissipate if they don’t start thinking about ways to best MS in some of the services, studio acquisitions and features that have been giving the Xbox momentum.
 

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They’re currently controlling the sales game for sure. But this momentum could dissipate if they don’t start thinking about ways to best MS in some of the services, studio acquisitions and features that have been giving the Xbox momentum.
Sony is doing fine and I'm sure theres tons out there we don't know about. MS does have some interesting ideas and gamepass works well for those that play a lot of games and aren't picky, myself Flight sim is the FIRST game (edit: okay Forza horizons too) ive played on it since day 1. MS bought possibilities but they havent got anything concrete just yet and may be years away.
 
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