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[VG TECH] Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 PS5 & Xbox Series X|S Frame Rate Test

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
Yes it is boring, and it was Sony fans that started the whole 'XSX has bad tools' stuff in the troll thread, and its them that keep bringing it up. I have barely seen a Xbox fan on here even mention tools really.
Yeah no this is totally wrong, Bttaglia or Lineman started it and it has been since parroted by Xbox fans in the likes of lort, longdi and darkmage for example.
If anything sony fans mocked that argument, but it had to start somewhere.
The rest of your quarell can be summed up in subjectivity about what console win.... when actually they are so close that it doesn't matter.
 

Stuart360

Member
I haven't even seen that thread, and I checked the main Gaming Forum page twice at different times.

Either way, unless it's a proper next-gen version, how does it define XSX's or PS5's power? We know that in BC mode PS5 just inherits PS4 Pro settings and Xbox Series X just inherits Xbox One X settings. BC comparisons just remind us that One X was more powerful than PS4 Pro. It doesn't tell us anything else.
Its in the next gen thread.
And like i said, there is no difference with that game, Avengers, all the other so called 'BC' games, and this TH game, unless you honestly believe this was made from the ground up for next gen.
 

Stuart360

Member
Yeah no this is totally wrong, Bttaglia or Lineman started it and it has been since parroted by Xbox fans in the likes of lort, longdi and darkmage for example.
If anything sony fans mocked that argument, but it had to start somewhere.
The rest of your quarell can be summed up in subjectivity about what console win.... when actually they are so close that it doesn't matter.
I dont even recognize their names, and i hope they are not Twitter trolls because i said on here. People keep quoting Twitter people, like that tool that said XSX would have 50fps more in games, and then act like all Xbox fanboys feel that.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Its in the next gen thread.
And like i said, there is no difference with that game, Avengers, all the other so called 'BC' games, and this TH game, unless you honestly believe this was made from the ground up for next gen.
I don't. But I believe in terms of relevance and meaningfulness, we can categorize these comparisons in three groups:

1. Next-gen exclusive multiplatform games (we have 0 of them)
2. Proper next-gen versions of older games (TH is an example of that)
3. Games running in BC mode (like KH3).

Because we don't have next-gen exclusive games right now, category #2 is our best bet. Category #3 is still the at the bottom of the barrel and doesn't tell us anything.
 

ethomaz

Banned
When it start to use games limited to what was coded to PS4 Pro to claim "wins" then you really know the situation is not good for the other side.
I mean when you need to make excuses like that or the old one "tools" something is not right, no?
 
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MonarchJT

Banned
Let him says what he wants... this gen is not being good for them.
ahhaaha "for them" who? you guys (usual suspects) are becoming embarassing , the excitement of not having another game where you have a noteworthy difference in resolution is making you crank up quickly I see. Unfortunately it will not last long
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Dude the next gen thread is there for all to see. It started after DF said what that develoepr had told them, and then hundreds of pages for months about 'bad tools' in the Next Gen thread about it, right up to launch. And its always Sony fans that constantly bring up the tools on here.
And why do you think that is?

Before launch, Xbox fanboys were saying that Xbox will eat and spit PS5 when the DF comparison videos drop. When comparison videos showed that PS5 was outperforming XSX, the same fanboys said that XSX is still the most powerful console, it is just the "tools" that aren't ready yet, and that's why PS5 is outperforming XSX.

That's why Sony fans take jabs on the tools. It was the Xbox fans that brought up this narrative, not the other way around.
 

ethomaz

Banned
ahhaaha "for them" who? you guys (usual suspects) are becoming embarassing , the excitement of not having another game where you have a noteworthy difference in resolution is making you crank up quickly I see. Unfortunately it will not last long
The green side or xbox fans... Tim, Dealer, Batallhia, Tom Warrior, Jeef Grub, Jez, Misterxmedia, Bluesomething, Aaron, Rich... here in GAF you, Ricky, Stuart, Senjutsusomething, etc... I need to list all of you?

Edit - I had to edit to add the Rich from DF name... it is very important.
 
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azertydu91

Hard to Kill
I dont even recognize their names, and i hope they are not Twitter trolls because i said on here. People keep quoting Twitter people, like that tool that said XSX would have 50fps more in games, and then act like all Xbox fanboys feel that.
Almost all of them are in this thread too, and they may be on twitter I don't know and don't care, but I was only talking about gaf users.Maybe an username like Riky or monarchjt ring a bell to you?
Because if not maybe try to take a step back and wonder if you've been reading as objectively as possible.
I mean I can tell the username of fanboys from both sony and MS without any problem.
And I just gave you 5 example of users rooting for the tools theory that have been vigourously defending it.
And you can look on almost any thread they will be there wether xbox wins or lose they will talk about tools.
 

Stuart360

Member
And why do you think that is?

Before launch, Xbox fanboys were saying that Xbox will eat and spit PS5 when the DF comparison videos drop. When comparison videos showed that PS5 was outperforming XSX, the same fanboys said that XSX is still the most powerful console, it is just the "tools" that aren't ready yet, and that's why PS5 is outperforming XSX.

That's why Sony fans take jabs on the tools. It was the Xbox fans that brought up this narrative, not the other way around.
Which Xbox users then?, and like i said, the next gen thread is there for all to see. All you have to do is go to DF, find that vid where Rich talked about what the devs said, check the date, then go to that date in the troll thread.
Anyone can do it.
 

Stuart360

Member
Almost all of them are in this thread too, and they may be on twitter I don't know and don't care, but I was only talking about gaf users.Maybe an username like Riky or monarchjt ring a bell to you?
Because if not maybe try to take a step back and wonder if you've been reading as objectively as possible.
I mean I can tell the username of fanboys from both sony and MS without any problem.
And I just gave you 5 example of users rooting for the tools theory that have been vigourously defending it.
And you can look on almost any thread they will be there wether xbox wins or lose they will talk about tools.
Well i'll keep my open then for them.
 

MonarchJT

Banned
The green side... you, Ricky, Stuart, Senjutsusomething, etc... I need to list all of you?
i was talking about you etho...you , heisenberg, geordie and all the usual Sony fanboys I don't think there is a need to name you all ..you guys are all threads and we know each other very good ). we all have our happy days ;))
 
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Yeah no this is totally wrong, Bttaglia or Lineman started it and it has been since parroted by Xbox fans in the likes of lort, longdi and darkmage for example.
If anything sony fans mocked that argument, but it had to start somewhere.
The rest of your quarell can be summed up in subjectivity about what console win.... when actually they are so close that it doesn't matter.
It is fact that the Xbox this generation completely changed its development environment. Why is that something to mock? I have said numerous times that cross generational titles aren't the way to judge the capabilities of these new consoles. I guess I'm living rent free in people's minds like Riky. Oh well he's good company.
 

Riky

$MSFT
And still both are 99% (it's all in VGTech spreadsheet). It means that XSX drops frames in other places where PS5 doesn't, and the end-result turns out to be the same, despite that one big drop of 113FPS on PS5.

Look at the dropped frames and you can see this isn't true, the Xbox only drops 3 frames in the entire run, the PS5 drops more than twice that in one instant. It probably happens even more than that over a longer run of play.
 

ethomaz

Banned
i was talking about you etho...you , heisenberg, geordie and all the usual Sony fanboys I don't think there is a need to name you all ..you guys are all threads and we know each other very good ). we all have our happy days ;))
Thanks.
You know being called Sony fanboy is compliment for me, no?
I mean I already explained fanboy is not bad in any way.
The opposite is true too. Being a fanboy is not the issue... I'm and others are in both sides.
 
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Stuart360

Member
Keep the smilies coming Ethomaz and chums, it shows how much this pic was made for you -

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MonarchJT

Banned
It is fact that the Xbox this generation completely changed its development environment. Why is that something to mock? I have said numerous times that cross generational titles aren't the way to judge the capabilities of these new consoles. I guess I'm living rent free in people's minds like Riky. Oh well he's good company.
this thing will never be accepted. I can't wait that the graphics engines will use the peculiarities of the new hw to see the real differences of these machines. For now the clock is helping inevitably the ps5, will it last? , I doubt about it
 

Riky

$MSFT
one drops to 1080p and one doesn't

You don't know that for sure, with a wide range of DRS like this the chances of finding the actual minimum is pretty remote like DF said, you are literally just handpicking a few frames and counting. That's why different sites come up with different figures.
This is nothing like the constant resolution advantage we see in the likes of Hitman 3.
 

MonarchJT

Banned
Thanks.
You know being called Sony fanboy is compliment for me, no?
I mean I already explained fanboy is not bad in any way.
The opposite is true too.
I'm not against fanboyism ..people do the same with football, formula 1 and everything else ... I enjoy it. Believe me I enjoy it 99% of the time
 

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
Well i'll keep my open then for them.
I realise my post may sound agressive, but please understand it is not,it is just revisionism to claim that the tools is a PS fanboy argument.
Well if you wanted an example here is a good one and I believe you will find it is quite recent enough :
It is fact that the Xbox this generation completely changed its development environment. Why is that something to mock? I have said numerous times that cross generational titles aren't the way to judge the capabilities of these new consoles. I guess I'm living rent free in people's minds like Riky. Oh well he's good company.
It comes from darkmage an user claiming to be neutral that strangely always root for Xbox and has barely anything good to say about playstation.He also has posts saying that colt or timdog are neutral too (if you don't remember colt is the guy that claimed 50fps more based on gpu alone).
So you see in reality it has been an argument that has been rampant amongst Xbox fanboys way before sony fanboys mocked it.Which they did mostly because it was the only point that warriors had left.

But of course I'm not saying all Xbox fans are like that I remember having a great discussion with legasu (or something like that) and he wasn't a fan of the tools theory, I had one whith phil_(I don't remember the number there) and it was really interesting about how both console will evolve and it was great,but of course the more reserved and level headed are also the less vocals, no matter their side.
 

Cherrypepsi

Member
You don't know that for sure, with a wide range of DRS like this the chances of finding the actual minimum is pretty remote like DF said, you are literally just handpicking a few frames and counting. That's why different sites come up with different figures.
This is nothing like the constant resolution advantage we see in the likes of Hitman 3.

dont waste your energy Riky :D if there are huge differences between those consoles you wont find them in this game ... :D maybe the next one?
 

assurdum

Banned
And we are back to Hitman 3 ladies and gentlemen. This game is better on pro than one X, so finally pro showed is superiority?
 
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ethomaz

Banned
but but but some said it was unplayable when was 56 fps vs 60
Unplayable? No.

Now depending of the case it can be a bad experience.... if it is like 30 frames going 56fps in a 10 minutes game session you won't even realize it dropped.... I mean it is a 16ms drop each 30 seconds.

Now if it is constant... it stay in 56fps for a second or more then it start to affect the gameplay.
 

Stuart360

Member
I realise my post may sound agressive, but please understand it is not,it is just revisionism to claim that the tools is a PS fanboy argument.
Well if you wanted an example here is a good one and I believe you will find it is quite recent enough :

It comes from darkmage an user claiming to be neutral that strangely always root for Xbox and has barely anything good to say about playstation.He also has posts saying that colt or timdog are neutral too (if you don't remember colt is the guy that claimed 50fps more based on gpu alone).
So you see in reality it has been an argument that has been rampant amongst Xbox fanboys way before sony fanboys mocked it.Which they did mostly because it was the only point that warriors had left.

But of course I'm not saying all Xbox fans are like that I remember having a great discussion with legasu (or something like that) and he wasn't a fan of the tools theory, I had one whith phil_(I don't remember the number there) and it was really interesting about how both console will evolve and it was great,but of course the more reserved and level headed are also the less vocals, no matter their side.
To be fair, even the Remedy dev said about that, he even said about the tools being way behind PS5.

EDIT. As for tools on Twitter, i dont really care what they say. I care about on here.
 
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Mr Moose

Member
You don't know that for sure, with a wide range of DRS like this the chances of finding the actual minimum is pretty remote like DF said, you are literally just handpicking a few frames and counting. That's why different sites come up with different figures.
This is nothing like the constant resolution advantage we see in the likes of Hitman 3.
Same goes for the fps, It's hard to get exact like for like gameplay.
Who knows? Maybe both will drop lower than 113.
 
It was and is always better.

The units counts started become a thing after the processors reached the physical limit in clock of the architecture.
The increase in units give a performance curve more disproportional than the increase in clock.

The clock x performance curve is very linear until you reach the physical limit of the architecture.

That is where the overclock scheme lives and where the false claims come because they doesn't understand what is happening.

Now of course if you can't increase the clock why not increase the units count? There is no harm in more performance.... it just the increase is performance is not close to linear like the clock gives and depends a lot on the parallelism coded on the software level to have a good performance scaling... clock increase doesn't rely on software.

BTW recent tests.


But if want you can find tests on Google that goes down to archaic 486 or Pentinum processors.
There were a lot of discussion when the first dual-core processors started to be released.
You are so amazingly wrong. Look at any cpu bench that properly supports multi thread and you will see doubling cores literally doubles performance. How much more linear do you want?
 

MonarchJT

Banned
Unplayable? No.

Now depending of the case it can be a bad experience.... if it is like 30 frames going 56fps in a 10 minutes game session you won't even realize it dropped.... I mean it is a 16ms drop each 30 seconds.

Now if it is constant... it stay in 56fps for a second or more then it start to affect the gameplay.
so vgtech told us how many of time % of the time the res drop on xsx ? vgtech said how many times the ps5 drops fps?
 

DJ12

Member
You don't know that for sure, with a wide range of DRS like this the chances of finding the actual minimum is pretty remote like DF said, you are literally just handpicking a few frames and counting. That's why different sites come up with different figures.
This is nothing like the constant resolution advantage we see in the likes of Hitman 3.
Df have covered this game?! Or are you throwing around generalisations from unrelated games?
 
I realise my post may sound agressive, but please understand it is not,it is just revisionism to claim that the tools is a PS fanboy argument.
Well if you wanted an example here is a good one and I believe you will find it is quite recent enough :

It comes from darkmage an user claiming to be neutral that strangely always root for Xbox and has barely anything good to say about playstation.He also has posts saying that colt or timdog are neutral too (if you don't remember colt is the guy that claimed 50fps more based on gpu alone).
So you see in reality it has been an argument that has been rampant amongst Xbox fanboys way before sony fanboys mocked it.Which they did mostly because it was the only point that warriors had left.

But of course I'm not saying all Xbox fans are like that I remember having a great discussion with legasu (or something like that) and he wasn't a fan of the tools theory, I had one whith phil_(I don't remember the number there) and it was really interesting about how both console will evolve and it was great,but of course the more reserved and level headed are also the less vocals, no matter their side.
When PS5 fixes its console whine, activates its storage bay, and does something about its less than pleasant UI then I'll have something to cheer. I can give Xbox props because I own and used both consoles. There is a reason that the poll of people who own both prefer the Xbox. I never claimed to be neutral only that in don't make up negative stuff about either system. People are free to like whatever they want. The most vocal haters of the Xbox don't know much about the system.
 

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
To be fair, even the Remedy dev said about that, he even said about the tools being way behind PS5.
And the dirt 5 devs said otherwise, honestly, I don't think anybody is credible there be it devs or random foruum users like you and I( or you and me ?I never understood the difference).Because when everybody contradicts everybody, then nothin is to be believe.
You seems like a level headed guy (at least in your responses to me) so honestly there I think that if you loock back in any comparison thread you will easily find tools apologist amongst the xbox more hardcore fanboys.Which is the point I was disagreeing with you, for the rest I think it is subjective who won what games other than rare clear wins.
 

ethomaz

Banned
so vgtech told us how many of time % of the time the res drop on xsx ? vgtech said how many times the ps5 drops fps?
Actually yes... on PS5 it is 21 frames or 175ms (each frame is 8.3ms in 120fps games) and Series X it is 3 frames or 25ms... the stats doesn't say if it is in the same point/moment or it is in separate cases.

But for that amount of frame dropped it can be in the same moment you will have a 175ms drop in framerate.

BTW it is across 18500 frames or 154 seconds (it is a small sample of near 3 minutes).
 
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I don't. But I believe in terms of relevance and meaningfulness, we can categorize these comparisons in three groups:

1. Next-gen exclusive multiplatform games (we have 0 of them)
2. Proper next-gen versions of older games (TH is an example of that)
3. Games running in BC mode (like KH3).

Because we don't have next-gen exclusive games right now, category #2 is our best bet. Category #3 is still the at the bottom of the barrel and doesn't tell us anything.
NBA2K21 on next-gen consoles is using a totally new engine.
so vgtech told us how many of time % of the time the res drop on xsx ? vgtech said how many times the ps5 drops fps?
Well you know that he is doing that for free in his spare time? There are still no tools to automate the pixel counting part that must be done manually.
 
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MonarchJT

Banned
Actually yes... on PS5 it is 21 frames or 175ms (each frame is 8.3ms in 120fps games) and Series X it is 3 frames or 25ms... the stats doesn't say if it is in the same point/moment or it is in separate cases.

But for that amount of frame dropped it can be in the same moment you will have a 175ms drop in framerate.
and now the res ? %? 1 sec for the entire game? or it drop 60% of the time ?
 

MonarchJT

Banned
NBA2K21 on next-gen consoles is using a totally new engine.

Well you know that he is doing that for free in his spare time? There are still no tools to automate the pixel counting part that must be done manually.
so it's really hard to claim a victory for someone why ppl act like one version is better than another ?
 
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