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Microsoft is finally clarifying the situation regarding future Bethesda games

FritzJ92

Member
Are you dumb or are you pretending to be dumb?

No one said that they will not make ANY exclusives for GP that would have been idiotic. But will these exclusives be new IPs? Will they be old IPs that were previously on other platforms as well (like TES for example)? Will they be timed-exclusive? Nothing in Spencer's words is clear about that and that's what is allowing his fanboys to spin his words.

What exactly is NOT vague for you?
Calling people dumb, but you can't comprehend a simple sentence because it doesn't fit your agenda makes you smart?

If any other company said were making games exclusive to our platform would you ask any questions?
So why is it that when MS says it you have so many questions to ask? <-- this more-so seems like a dumb person thing to do, but if you think name-calling is your best form of response by all means continue to do so.

Sidenote, go listen to what he had to say and stop trying to create a scenario your questions isn't answered.
Existing/legacy contracts they will continue to support (this means support for existing games), how the heck are you asking about something that doesn't exist, there is no legacy there.
If the game doesn't fit the criteria above then its exclusive to GamePass.
 

Vestal

Gold Member
It will be interesting to watch how these announcements by MS will impact console sales once we start getting actual inventory in stores.. Not talking about the "early" adopters, but the general public.
 

FritzJ92

Member
It will be interesting to watch how these announcements by MS will impact console sales once we start getting actual inventory in stores.. Not talking about the "early" adopters, but the general public.
i think it's when people go shopping the reality may hit. Walk into a store and see the new Starfield/Doom/Fallout/etc on Xbox side and your average customer will ask for the Sony copy, only to be told it's only on Xbox, that will definitely motivate some people to opt for a Series S just to play their game at a reasonable price.
 

ManaByte

Member
i think it's when people go shopping the reality may hit. Walk into a store and see the new Starfield/Doom/Fallout/etc on Xbox side and your average customer will ask for the Sony copy, only to be told it's only on Xbox, that will definitely motivate some people to opt for a Series S just to play their game at a reasonable price.
Microsoft Nod GIF by Xbox
 

Kagey K

Banned
i think it's when people go shopping the reality may hit. Walk into a store and see the new Starfield/Doom/Fallout/etc on Xbox side and your average customer will ask for the Sony copy, only to be told it's only on Xbox, that will definitely motivate some people to opt for a Series S just to play their game at a reasonable price.
I agree. It’s only when they see the shiny game sitting in the shelf and the tv full of ads for those games, will we see the actual fruits of the acquisition.
 
i think it's when people go shopping the reality may hit. Walk into a store and see the new Starfield/Doom/Fallout/etc on Xbox side and your average customer will ask for the Sony copy, only to be told it's only on Xbox, that will definitely motivate some people to opt for a Series S just to play their game at a reasonable price.
This is how I was sold the 360, was a pc gamer and walked into gamestop. They sold me on the idea the 360 was best because it played oblivion.
 

Vestal

Gold Member
i think it's when people go shopping the reality may hit. Walk into a store and see the new Starfield/Doom/Fallout/etc on Xbox side and your average customer will ask for the Sony copy, only to be told it's only on Xbox, that will definitely motivate some people to opt for a Series S just to play their game at a reasonable price.
Yup.. There is a lot of faith being put into the big 3 at Bethesda. (Fallout, TES, Starfield) The first one to hit the market with a new installment MUST be a fucking hit, or a chunk of the investment put into the purchase will be lost. If its a dud, it will spell trouble for the MGS as a whole. Maybe not in Gamepass sales, but in creating the mind share that NOTHING changes when a studio like Bethesda goes exclusive with them in terms of quality.
 
Existing/legacy contracts they will continue to support (this means support for existing games), how the heck are you asking about something that doesn't exist, there is no legacy there.
Legacy means carrying something forward, from a property that already existed. A legacy franchise is an old franchise, like Fallout (from the 90's) which continues to produce sequels.

There is nothing in any of the recent statements that says definitively those franchises will be Xbox exclusive. In fact he keeps couching said statements about exclusives alongside statements that they will support other platforms as well as legacy content.

DOOM and Fallout are both from the 90s. Elder Scrolls too. Legacy content.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Legacy means carrying something forward, from a property that already existed. A legacy franchise is an old franchise, like Fallout (from the 90's) which continues to produce sequels.

There is nothing in any of the recent statements that says definitively those franchises will be Xbox exclusive. In fact he keeps couching said statements about exclusives alongside statements that they will support other platforms as well as legacy content.

DOOM and Fallout are both from the 90s. Elder Scrolls too. Legacy content.
In video games legacy games are those that have already released. New releases aren’t legacy software.
 

FritzJ92

Member
In video games legacy games are those that have already released. New releases aren’t legacy software.
You beat me to it.

He said in the future if there are games with contractual or legacy they might go do it.

He tied legacy with contractual, and simply saying they aren't dropping support for any software with legacy in the future. So expect more updates for 76, there is a legacy and contractual agreement there.

There is none for TES6 or Starfield, they don't fit the criteria.
 
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Well, we still disagree on the clarity provided by today's statement. But it's pretty much splitting hairs at this point. Subsequent to that Phil replied to someone's tweets, and based on context provided by the poster who linked the tweets, it sounded like Phil may have been confirming that nothing goes to PS beyond contracts and games already released being supported. I'm not going to speculate on what is under contract already, so as far as I am concerned the games are exclusive if we don't already know PS is getting them.

Exactly that's what I've been (hopefully) saying too. If it's not Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, Fallout '76 expansions or Elder Scrolls Online expansions, there doesn't seem to be any native ports coming for PS5 or Switch since GamePass is non-existent on those platforms (and even if it were, they would be streaming-only versions through Xcloud).

The only other game of the known lot I'd speculate may have a native PS5 port is the Indiana Jones title but that's only if LucasArts Games is handling the publishing. Even then it may be likely Microsoft could've set up a deal with them for timed exclusivity (there's a very slight chance Sony could've done so as well, but given they already have Uncharted I think them doing it would be perceived as a slap in the face to Naughty Dog and that franchise and they don't want to upset their own 1P devs by supporting competing IP with explicit timed exclusivity deals).

Starfield...I actually think there may be a PS5 native version at some point in development. But I think if that's the case, that version is more or less dead. Sony weren't able to secure timed exclusivity on it, and Microsoft's made it pretty clear IMO that native games are only destined for Xbox consoles (Series X and S) and PC; anywhere else will be via streaming through GamePass Xcloud. There's a slight chance Starfield could fall in the category of "future legacy support" though; maybe they decide to release the PS5 version anyway like a year after it comes out on Xbox and PC and through GamePass.

That though is a very low probability of occurring at this point, don't think anyone should be placing bets on it happening.


If today's been good for anything, it's been in exposing the latent fanboy/fangirl-driven meltdowns on that forum for the internet to see, and low-key it's been glorious. Seriously, the worst meltdowns, they've been in Era threads. You'd think 2016 was happening again going by some of the stuff happening over there now that reality over this deal is settling in xD.

This user's post for instance is just one long self-righteous, posturing, hypocritical Twitlonger. Yeah, now they care about "too much capitalism" and "market consolidation". Then they just contradict themselves saying they defended Disney-Fox merger and literally show they have no education on the Zenimax situation because if they knew better they'd do a little research to know Zenimax were in the market to sell. This person's acting like Microsoft bullied their way into buying the company against its will.

I'm not saying there haven't been meltdowns here, too, but at least we can chop it up and clown one another or have an open debate over what may or may not be the case anymore and (generally) not worry about getting banned or scared with a threat of ban from having real discussion. Over there? You're in a minefield any word could be your last 😆 . It's been fun seeing the meltdowns there basically boil to people who want to appear virtuous in arguing the deal as a violation of ethical principals while showing they've had zero issues supporting similar business practices from other companies only months ago. Wonder what changed....
 
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Neo_game

Member
I am sure it depends how much money they can make. The idea to release Xbox games on PC day1 was pretty stupid IMO. But obviously being only on Xbox wasn't working for them. IIRC according to Ubisoft earning PS4 was most profitable, PC and then the Xbox. Witcher3 PS4 numbers were also I think was on par with PC sales if not more. So there is lots of $ to be had if PS5 does well as expected. Personally I will not be surprised if the games are timed exclusive on the Xbox 🤷‍♂️
 
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Kagey K

Banned
Exactly that's what I've been (hopefully) saying too. If it's not Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, Fallout '76 expansions or Elder Scrolls Online expansions, there doesn't seem to be any native ports coming for PS5 or Switch since GamePass is non-existent on those platforms (and even if it were, they would be streaming-only versions through Xcloud).

The only other game of the known lot I'd speculate may have a native PS5 port is the Indiana Jones title but that's only if LucasArts Games is handling the publishing. Even then it may be likely Microsoft could've set up a deal with them for timed exclusivity (there's a very slight chance Sony could've done so as well, but given they already have Uncharted I think them doing it would be perceived as a slap in the face to Naughty Dog and that franchise and they don't want to upset their own 1P devs by supporting competing IP with explicit timed exclusivity deals).

Starfield...I actually think there may be a PS5 native version at some point in development. But I think if that's the case, that version is more or less dead. Sony weren't able to secure timed exclusivity on it, and Microsoft's made it pretty clear IMO that native games are only destined for Xbox consoles (Series X and S) and PC; anywhere else will be via streaming through GamePass Xcloud. There's a slight chance Starfield could fall in the category of "future legacy support" though; maybe they decide to release the PS5 version anyway like a year after it comes out on Xbox and PC and through GamePass.

That though is a very low probability of occurring at this point, don't think anyone should be placing bets on it happening.



If today's been good for anything, it's been in exposing the latent fanboy/fangirl-driven meltdowns on that forum for the internet to see, and low-key it's been glorious. Seriously, the worst meltdowns, they've been in Era threads. You'd think 2016 was happening again going by some of the stuff happening over there now that reality over this deal is settling in xD.

This user's post for instance is just one long self-righteous, posturing, hypocritical Twitlonger. Yeah, now they care about "too much capitalism" and "market consolidation". Then they just contradict themselves saying they defended Disney-Fox merger and literally show they have no education on the Zenimax situation because if they knew better they'd do a little research to know Zenimax were in the market to sell. This person's acting like Microsoft bullied their way into buying the company against its will.

I'm not saying there haven't been meltdowns here, too, but at least we can chop it up and clown one another or have an open debate over what may or may not be the case anymore and (generally) not worry about getting banned or scared with a threat of ban from having real discussion. Over there? You're in a minefield any word could be your last 😆 . It's been fun seeing the meltdowns there basically boil to people who want to appear virtuous in arguing the deal as a violation of ethical principals while showing they've had zero issues supporting similar business practices from other companies only months ago. Wonder what changed....
Honestly the best part I saw was when they all turned on Matt after his set of stupefying posts.

That guy has talked out of his ass forever and had that shit coming.
 

THE DUCK

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Wooooaaaa wooaaaaa your horses xbox fans. Nothing to be excited about here, according to ten people on this board who don't own one, or even understand the hardware, or how games are actually made, next gen is ruined anyhow by the series s. Fold up the tents, break out the genesis and snes systems, no point in even playing! lol
 

Chessmate

Banned
i think it's when people go shopping the reality may hit. Walk into a store and see the new Starfield/Doom/Fallout/etc on Xbox side and your average customer will ask for the Sony copy, only to be told it's only on Xbox, that will definitely motivate some people to opt for a Series S just to play their game at a reasonable price.

I can only imagine the emptiness in the hearts of my fellow friends. Shopping for PS5 games will be like walking into a vegan candy store. No dairy, no gelatin, no honey, and no refined sugar.

Customer: "Do you have any good games for PS5?"

Salesman: "No."
 

KaiserBecks

Member
Legacy means carrying something forward, from a property that already existed. A legacy franchise is an old franchise, like Fallout (from the 90's) which continues to produce sequels.

There is nothing in any of the recent statements that says definitively those franchises will be Xbox exclusive. In fact he keeps couching said statements about exclusives alongside statements that they will support other platforms as well as legacy content.

DOOM and Fallout are both from the 90s. Elder Scrolls too. Legacy content.


Legacy means they might try to sell you another remaster of Skyrim, since the original vanilla version has been on Playstation. Releasing an actual new title has nothing to do with a legacy. How much clearer can they be? It‘s like some people wont believe it until they cant find a PS5 copy in the stores.
 

octiny

Banned
I don’t get it, please explain

The notion was quite a large percentage of PS fanboys would claim they already have a capable gaming PC as an excuse for them to not buy an Xbox, or to simply disregard Xbox exclusives.

Now that nearly all future Bethesda titles are exclusive, the same ones are now backpedaling with their pants down.

 

hemo memo

Gold Member
I’m ok with this even when planning going PS5 only this gen. Maybe because i’m not that attached to Bethesda games but a competition to Sony studios is only good news.
 

bender

What time is it?
Legacy means they might try to sell you another remaster of Skyrim, since the original vanilla version has been on Playstation. Releasing an actual new title has nothing to do with a legacy. How much clearer can they be? It‘s like some people wont believe it until they cant find a PS5 copy in the stores.

You can read the legacy comment either way. The Elder Scrolls has a legacy on every platform thanks to a combination of Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Blades, Travels: Shadowkey (there is still hope N-Gage faithful!) or it can be as you interpreted it. Just based on the investment, I'm more inclined to side with your reading but Phil's statement is vague enough for wiggle room. I still get the feeling that their plans aren't set and stone and we might see a trial balloon floated before they really know what they'll do going forward.
 

mxbison

Member
Man fanboys are crazy, what do you have to gain from others not being able to play a game?

I just hope MS finally fixes their shitty Windows Store and Xbox PC App.
 

Garani

Member
And then what lol? What do you think that means?

That either I'll be playing it on PC or I won't play it (probably the latter, since I don't like Bethesda games). I don't think that Sony would approve of having Game Pass on with its logo on their platform.

But having said that, what I am amazed is not that people are cheering for having some games, some of them exclusive, but they have to take a jab at "I got miiiiine, you ain't having it!" attitude. There is a wonderful skit by Eddie Murphy that really hits the nail on the head:

 
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DonJorginho

Banned
Why are some people so salty about this? I know for a fact the same people complaining now weren't when Sony signed timed exclusivity deals for the likes of FF7R, Deathloop, GWT, FF16, or any timed deals on dlc for games like Destiny.

We should know by now that this is how the gaming industry works, most consoles are so even with similar offers that they need exclusive games to differentiate themselves from competitors, I'm a fan of most forms of exclusivity as it gives me a reason to buy someone's platform. Does it suck for those who primarily play on PlayStation consoles that they'll no longer get to play the newest entries in the likes of Doom, Wolfenstein, Fallout, TES or any Arkane game? Of course it does. But exclusivity is not a one way street, you can't praise Sony's exclusive strategies and then criticise Xbox for buying Bethesda in the same breath, it's just hypocrisy to the highest degree.

I'll be able to enjoy this acquisition whilst enjoying my PS5 exclusives due to me owning both consoles which I agree could muddy my views on this subject, but even if I didn't have the XSX I would say that this is still a fair deal in today's day and age and I would just get an XSX/PC once the Bethesda games I want start coming out. I think Xbox should be commended in some ways for spending £7bn on an AAA acquisition yet still making every game they produce available on Gamepass on day one, you would never see PS Now do such a thing.
 
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phil_t98

#SonyToo
The bias you see is a culmination of various things I agree with which happens to come under PlayStation. If I don’t like something I call it out, including Sony decisions. I then myself get pushback from the true fanatics that see no wrong ever because it’s branded.

I’m never that guy, and strive to have considered basis for my praise or criticism all the while balancing with a few laughs here and there.
If i ever see you push back on sony i will stand with you but I have never seen it as of yet, i dont really jump in sony threads though. Always the exception if something interests me but never really do it
 

Fredrik

Member
Why are some people so salty about this? I know for a fact the same people complaining now weren't when Sony signed timed exclusivity deals for the likes of FF7R, Deathloop, GWT, FF16, or any timed deals on dlc for games like Destiny.

We should know by now that this is how the gaming industry works, most consoles are so even with similar offers that they need exclusive games to differentiate themselves from competitors, I'm a fan of most forms of exclusivity as it gives me a reason to buy someone's platform. Does it suck for those who primarily play on PlayStation consoles that they'll no longer get to play the newest entries in the likes of Doom, Wolfenstein, Fallout, TES or any Arkane game? Of course it does. But exclusivity is not a one way street, you can't praise Sony's exclusive strategies and then criticise Xbox for buying Bethesda in the same breath, it's just hypocrisy to the highest degree.

I'll be able to enjoy this acquisition whilst enjoying my PS5 exclusives due to me owning both consoles which I agree could muddy my views on this subject, but even if I didn't have the XSX I would say that this is still a fair deal in today's day and age and I would just get an XSX/PC once the Bethesda games I want start coming out. I think Xbox should be commended in some ways for spending £7bn on an AAA acquisition yet still making every game they produce available on Gamepass on day one, you would never see PS Now do such a thing.
It’s a bit silly to be honest, Sony has been the king of locking out people from big games and people are just now realizing how it feels to sit at the other side.
Everything that happens in the future is a result of what happened in the past. So maybe people will think twice now before they cheer all PS exclusive deals and mock Xbox for having no big exclusives. Microsoft might not have closed the wallet yet...
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo
It’s a bit silly to be honest, Sony has been the king of locking out people from big games and people are just now realizing how it feels to sit at the other side.
Everything that happens in the future is a result of what happened in the past. So maybe people will think twice now before they cheer all PS exclusive deals and mock Xbox for having no big exclusives. Microsoft might not have closed the wallet yet...

Yeah its kinda funny when you point it like that, i remember it happening wayyy back with tomb raider 2. obvas Microsoft did it to with their own lock ins but i think last gen sony got the majority of those types of deals so it just stings when sony fans not seeing it go their way for once. They still have a lot of great continent though
 

longdi

Banned
“If you’re an Xbox customer, this is about delivering great exclusive games for you, on platforms where Game Pass exists.” - Phil Spencer


Anybody that thought otherwise was delusional. You don't spend $7.5B just to put your games on competing platforms. If they just wanted their games on Game Pass it would have cost alot less.

It's all about growing Game Pass subscriptions. This is how you do it. With exclusive content.

Yap get a Series X and GP. that's the cue for all you delusionals.

or try to bug jimbo to allow GPU xcloud on ps5.
 
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Mmnow

Member
Why are some people so salty about this?
I saw it described somewhere as "It's not so good when the rabbit has got the gun."

These guys have spent close to a decade patting themselves on the back for other people's work - for some of them that's a significant portion of their adult life.

Every game was on PlayStation. Every exclusive was worth playing (even if it reviewed poorly). Every Xbox exclusive was trash (be ause they couldn't play it). They could look out at Nintendo and Microsoft from the default position, and they took credit for being able to do that.

Now they're on a precipice. For the first time probably since the first Uncharted came out, Xbox is becoming a real competitor again and everybody knows this is nowhere near the end.

You can't handwave an exclusive Kojima game, or Sega, or... Etc. You can either write ranty posts on here, or you can buy and Xbox or PC. But Sony isn't in as strong a position as they were this time last week, and that kills them.
 

Fredrik

Member
Yeah its kinda funny when you point it like that, i remember it happening wayyy back with tomb raider 2. obvas Microsoft did it to with their own lock ins but i think last gen sony got the majority of those types of deals so it just stings when sony fans not seeing it go their way for once. They still have a lot of great continent though
To be honest, exclusives suck, they really do. But they’ve been a part of this hobby since the start. So you either find the strength to ignore them or you buy more hardware. That’s how it is and that’s how it has always been. And people shouldn’t cry and act like a victim if they’ve ever been apart of the crowd cheering an exclusive no matter if it’s called Zelda, Halo, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Gears of War or Horizon. Things like this happens for a reason.

With Microsoft people should at least be glad that the exclusives are available on PC as well. Many seem to have forgot about that.
 
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Concern

Member
Why are some people so salty about this? I know for a fact the same people complaining now weren't when Sony signed timed exclusivity deals for the likes of FF7R, Deathloop, GWT, FF16, or any timed deals on dlc for games like Destiny.

We should know by now that this is how the gaming industry works, most consoles are so even with similar offers that they need exclusive games to differentiate themselves from competitors, I'm a fan of most forms of exclusivity as it gives me a reason to buy someone's platform. Does it suck for those who primarily play on PlayStation consoles that they'll no longer get to play the newest entries in the likes of Doom, Wolfenstein, Fallout, TES or any Arkane game? Of course it does. But exclusivity is not a one way street, you can't praise Sony's exclusive strategies and then criticise Xbox for buying Bethesda in the same breath, it's just hypocrisy to the highest degree.

I'll be able to enjoy this acquisition whilst enjoying my PS5 exclusives due to me owning both consoles which I agree could muddy my views on this subject, but even if I didn't have the XSX I would say that this is still a fair deal in today's day and age and I would just get an XSX/PC once the Bethesda games I want start coming out. I think Xbox should be commended in some ways for spending £7bn on an AAA acquisition yet still making every game they produce available on Gamepass on day one, you would never see PS Now do such a thing.


Great point. Looking back at it now. Its funny how Death and Ghostwire were constantly brought up in the "list wars". Now those two will most likely only have sequels on Xbox/pc lol.

Its been rough being a Sony only fan lately with this and all the pc port rumors.
 

Chessmate

Banned
I wish I could say that I'm surprised by the cope and denial, but I'm sadly not.

You retards, you absolute dum-dums. I hope you're trolling.

30 years after World War II they found a japanese soldier on a remote island in the pacific. Still ready to die for the emperor. Kinda reminds me of this poor chap.
 

MonarchJT

Banned
Everything like most of us predicted




Parris had predicted that mmo games like Fallout76 or ESO would remain multiplats and receive support, obviously contracts for games like Deathloop and Tokyowire will be respected and the games (now legacy for the platform) will see probably expansions, update or DLCs, BUT NOT future release (as example Deathloop 2) All the rest of new and upcoming Bethesda games will be exclusive to Xbox / Game Pass.

That's it

ps. if you want you find the cast with the predictions quoted by Parris on his Twitter
 
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DonJorginho

Banned
Great point. Looking back at it now. Its funny how Death and Ghostwire were constantly brought up in the "list wars". Now those two will most likely only have sequels on Xbox/pc lol.

Its been rough being a Sony only fan lately with this and all the pc port rumors.
Definitely is ironic, especially how the same diehard Playstation fans who rubbed those two games in Xbox fans faces are now acting like they're mediocre garbage when imo they're probably the two most interesting games in the line up for PS5 till GOW Ragnarok comes out.

It has only been rough being a Sony only fan if you're childish tbh, most level headed Sony fans saw this coming and understand how the market works, regarding the PC Port rumours? Yeah that isn't the best news to some but to me I find it good as it means more people get to experience great titles and can lead to higher budgets for titles which should lead to better experiences for everyone.

I just feel like some Sony diehards can't stand that Xbox is finally stepping up it's competition, surely we want this industry to improve? And the only way that happens is if competitors push eachother and that is what Xbox are finally starting to do, the PS4 comfortably won the last generation and we are seeing the cons to that with Sony showing their arrogance with game pricing and the like.

Xbox now have a truly stunning portfolio of studios, as do Sony, that should be cherished by all and the fact some childish people can't do anything but cry and show extreme levels of cope over this is just laughable.
 

Concern

Member
Everything like most of us predicted




Parris had predicted that mmo games like Fallout76 or ESO would remain multiplats and receive support, obviously contracts for games like Deathloop and Tokyowire will be respected and the games (now legacy for the platform) Will see probably expansions, update or DLCs, BUT NOT future release (as example Deathloop 2) All the rest of new and upcoming Bethesda games will be exclusive to Xbox / Game Pass.

That's it



For all the hate Phil gets, he could probably have chose to not honor those exclusive contracts. But he still honoring those.
 

Concern

Member
Definitely is ironic, especially how the same diehard Playstation fans who rubbed those two games in Xbox fans faces are now acting like they're mediocre garbage when imo they're probably the two most interesting games in the line up for PS5 till GOW Ragnarok comes out.

It has only been rough being a Sony only fan if you're childish tbh, most level headed Sony fans saw this coming and understand how the market works, regarding the PC Port rumours? Yeah that isn't the best news to some but to me I find it good as it means more people get to experience great titles and can lead to higher budgets for titles which should lead to better experiences for everyone.

I just feel like some Sony diehards can't stand that Xbox is finally stepping up it's competition, surely we want this industry to improve? And the only way that happens is if competitors push eachother and that is what Xbox are finally starting to do, the PS4 comfortably won the last generation and we are seeing the cons to that with Sony showing their arrogance with game pricing and the like.

Xbox now have a truly stunning portfolio of studios, as do Sony, that should be cherished by all and the fact some childish people can't do anything but cry and show extreme levels of cope over this is just laughable.


I've never been a fan of the pc thing tbh. But I understand why its done and Im not going to have a meltdown over it.

Exactly what we need. I want a competitive generation. Its no fun when only one dominates.... it gets stale eventually.
 
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