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Days Gone coming to PC this Spring (More Sony games on the way)

John Wick

Member
It's printing money. Horizon sold close to 2 million copies on PC. I can't imagine the port costing more than a million bucks or so (probably much less). Easiest money in the world.
I don't understand why people are losing their shit over this? The more money a game recoups the more the developer can spend on the next one. As long as Sony leave a gap for their big blockbusters like Uncharted(6-12months) that is great. Some games could well do with a PC version. Games like Destruction All Stars would have benefited with more exposure and players.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I don't understand why people are losing their shit over this? The more money a game recoups the more the developer can spend on the next one. As long as Sony leave a gap for their big blockbusters like Uncharted(6-12months) that is great. Some games could well do with a PC version. Games like Destruction All Stars would have benefited with more exposure and players.
Because some gamers feel insecure if their ecosystem game runs on another platform.

There's 3 types:

1. Day one multiplat
2. Time gap multiplat (like you)
3. Never a multiplat

Some gamers roll into #3.
 

PaintTinJr

Member
I'm a little surprised by the decision to keep doing this, but especially because Jim Ryan is communicating the business strategy(excuse) so badly to day 1 console buyers they risk apathy towards new first party IPs, making the front-end development investment even riskier for their games.

From my observations, I would hope that this is really just a strategy to claw back money from any title that didn't do great first month sales at full price on PlayStation, and other than Death Stranding, I haven't bought any of the other games that have made the late arrival on PC, so if the choice is between studio shutdowns like happened in the end of the PS3 generation when Wipeout, etc didn't capture the full audience needed - probably because of platform - then it is indeed a lesser of two evils IMHO - for PlayStation consumers subsidizing some AAA games coming to a PC audience, eventually - if the developers need those sales for their work.

The big problem with the optics for PlayStation consumers IMO, is that even though Jim and Co claim to still believe in custom console hardware, the actual ability to easily port these games to PC exposes a lie. The games being ported should require major redesign and rework to work on PC if they were developed tightly to the bespoke console hardware and feature set -in reality they don't seem difficult to port, showing customers that first party aren't pushing the bespoke console hardware fully, and that triggers the question: "Do I really need this closed hardware system, if Sony don't really need it to produce these games?".

It is a dangerous can of worms to open IMO, so unless Sony's long term strategy is to re-enter the PC/laptop market and do laptops that have native PlayStation hardware, but can also run SteamOs or windows on a virtual machine, or Sony have a roadmap in place where they have pinpointed the end of bespoke hardware and are repositioning the PlayStation platform, to be hardware agnostic, I think they should state clearly by what criteria these games were given this special permission to undermine the console hardware consumers buy for their PlayStation gaming fix.
 
I don't understand why people are losing their shit over this? The more money a game recoups the more the developer can spend on the next one. As long as Sony leave a gap for their big blockbusters like Uncharted(6-12months) that is great. Some games could well do with a PC version. Games like Destruction All Stars would have benefited with more exposure and players.
People mistakenly think that this signals the death of PlayStation...that because they care so much to post claiming that they'll boycott because someone can play HZD or DG on something other than a PlayStation that everyone will. In reality most people don't give a shit, and most PC gamers don't own consoles, or only buy a few select games, aren't really in the ecosystem at all, and might actually end up being a small net-loss for Sony (since individual units are often sold at a loss, atleast early on, and rely on software sales to make up the difference), whereas if they just sell the games to PC gamers on PC then everything they take is additional profit.
 

Eanox

Member
I love how at first it was just going to be 2nd party games for sure.

And then just super old games when the sequel was coming

and now its games with no sequel coming less than two years after launch. And the goalposts move again!

Do you really not count Horizon as a big hitter? I guess you have to say it isn't to fit your theory, lol
If you can’t do a discussion without your fanboyish remarks don’t bother quoting my post.
 

Tmack

Member
It's printing money. Horizon sold close to 2 million copies on PC. I can't imagine the port costing more than a million bucks or so (probably much less). Easiest money in the world.

What are the odds of a fraction of those 2 million who played on PC loved the game and will end up buying a PS system just to play the sequel upon release?

The strategy is obvious :

- Raise awareness for the upcomming sequel and lure more people into PS ecosystem;
- Make easy $ selling old blockbuster titles on PC without affecting much their ecosystem.
 

Kurimao

Member
Releasing old games to invite new players I'm okay with this, meaning its more for moolah for Days Gone 2. While they're at it why not add Uncharted 1 to the jump list.
Also why no Switch version :D
 
Well, this is legitimately depressing to see the erosion of the PS ecosystem. I don't understand what is there to gain, shows how much I know. Who knows, maybe VFXVeteran VFXVeteran really is right and the first Horizon ZD will look better than the sequel because the sliders are pushed to the right.
How in any way is the ecosystem eroded because some 1P games come 2 years/3 years later onto PC?
 

PaintTinJr

Member
How in any way is the ecosystem eroded because some 1P games come 2 years/3 years later onto PC?
because it meant in the development phase they were already planning a PC port, and that constrains them from using the bespoke hardware to its full potential - which by the very nature of the console business, was the point of paying a large closed system hardware tax to begin with.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
What are the odds of a fraction of those 2 million who played on PC loved the game and will end up buying a PS system just to play the sequel upon release?

The strategy is obvious :

- Raise awareness for the upcomming sequel and lure more people into PS ecosystem;
- Make easy $ selling old blockbuster titles on PC without affecting much their ecosystem.
Except it is stupid and the opposite will happen. Pc gamers who might of bought a ps5 will skip it if there is any chance to buy them for pennies on the dollar on steam. The terrible sales of horizon should tell you how well this worked out for extra money a measly 1-2 million copies for who knows how much minus lord gabens 30%.. then each of those lost ps5 sales to the pc so no psn or 3rd party games. Same thing happened to Microsoft they lost gamers to not only the PlayStation but pc. If you give the cheapest gamers on earth pc gamers hope they can get games from their favorite third country steam VPN they will skip consoles. They are patient and can wait on single player games to get them for 9.99.
 

Larlight

Member
Why are people still acting surprised with this news? We knew this was happening when Horizon ZD came out on PC. Another game that's been out for a few years already and you all are getting your panties in a bunch? The only surprising news will be if the PC version come out day and date with PS version.
 

bender

What time is it?
On behalf of Sony, I'd like to apologize to PC users for bestowing Days Gone onto your wondaful platform. First Horizon and now this. One day we'll give you a good game instead of our approximation of a typically Ubisoft release.

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It's sad that I pre-ordered this game and have yet to progress past the first chapter.

I'll take the Lord's prayer and 5 Hail Mary's for my penance.
 
because it meant in the development phase they were already planning a PC port
Does it, though? I think it's much more likely that development and porting will be handled by separate studios, as was the case with HZD. And even if that turned out not to be the case, I doubt it would affect optimization for the console version. If anything, they're likely to get sloppy with the port since PC hardware allows you to brute force your way past a lot of performance issues.
 

MrS

Banned
AND I'll be pushing others not to buy too to send a message.
Good job nobody takes you and your fanboyism seriously then, eh? Trying to send a message AFTER buying 2 PS5s? Have a day off.

On topic, It is what it is. I think it's a bad move because it will pull people away from the PS ecosystem if they can just get the games on PC, as we've seen with Xbox. Good luck to them but I don't think this is a move in the best interest of PS4 and PS5 owners aka the Sony fanbase.

PC owners enjoy Days Gone! Excellent game.
 
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ACESHIGH

Banned
Seems that Sony finally realized a thing or two about their customer base and is confident that porting games to PC won't make existing PS users jump ship. The Playstation platform is by far the most casual one (other than cellphones) The value of exclusives selling consoles is massively overstated by enthusiast forums like this one or the SJW one.

The truth is that most Sony users end up buying the same third party games that everyone buys on every platform:

GTA
FIFA
Call of Duty
Madden
NBA2K
F2P GaaS
Destiny
Flavour of the month game (Among us - Fall Guys - PUBG)
the odd Ubisoft/Bethesda game
ONE exclusive game
PS Plus

Big AAA exclusives sell, but for a userbase of 120M gamers you should expect a game like Bloodborne, sell at least 20 M copies, God of War 40M and the like. Nintendo numbers basically... That couldn't be further from the truth.

Most console users choose their platform due to the network effect, then stay on the ecosystem because they are used to it or don't have enough information to make another purchasing decision. In the case of Sony in particular, its global appeal was driven by rampant piracy during the ps1 and ps2 eras. By the seventh generation, most folks were familiar with Playstation and their IPs since they played lots of their games for cheap. This was a long term strategy that paid off basically erasing all competition from the customers mind. This is very relevant in regions like South America and continental Europe, massive Sony strongholds.
 
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From a business perspective, God of War and Ratchet and Clank makes sense to come soon to PC. The sequels are on the way to PS5, so now is the chance for Sony to reach people who didn't own a PlayStation, make them care for the series and buy a PlayStation 5 for the sequels.
 

Andodalf

Banned
On behalf of Sony, I'd like to apologize to PC users for bestowing Days Gone onto your wondaful platform. First Horizon and now this. One day we'll give you a good game instead of our approximation of a typically Ubisoft release.

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I love how we've evolved from pretending games are bad when MS buys them to pretending games are bad when Sony puts them on PC
 

Wunray

Member
Anyone that's still arguing and making the same type of arguments Xbox fans made when Phil started the slow roll out of the same strategy is fooling themselves that somehow it's gonna help.

Sony follows MS like when they followed XBL Gold with PS Plus. It's a duopoly market - you don't really have that much choice for mature console gaming. They both know that.

Both Jim Ryan, and Herman have made the decision internally now. A lot of folks are projecting what they wish the internal policy should be (old games etc).... but we know this is how it starts - and it ends with Day and Date/new exclusives. No need to come up with BS to excuse why you're still sticking to the PS platform as a main (mainly price, friends, library attachment, couch gaming).

As Jimmy boy said, he didn't hear no adverse reaction by the PS fans. In other words, folks are taking it in the behind no problem - according to him.

If you really wanted the practice to stop you should stop faking that you're cool "that other people get to experience great playstation games" when deep down you don't approve for reasons. Be honest, and blunt - why keep appearances on the internet? The problem regarding backlashes appears to be that as long as it doesn't hit your pockets fans don't mobilize. Something like doubling the price of a subscription service does but this type of topic does not. Instead you get a lot of virtue signaling for the inability to organize a response that can be loud enough and followed by others. It's the fear of being an outcast and ridiculed. In other words, they got you by the balls. Still, the best thing is to be honest about it. Unfortunately Nintendo is no substitute for mature console gaming. Wish they were about now like back in the old days. Easy no brainer switch.
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I am not familiar with this copy pasta.
 

GhostOfTsu

Banned
That's not how this works. You can't say the PC version will be inferior to the PS5 version just because most people have weak hardware in the PCs. Games have scalable graphics settings. They are developed for the absolute maximum that the graphics engine allows to the absolute minimum for older hardware. Whatever the maximum will be, it will most certainly either be the same or higher fidelity than the PS5. There has never been an ultra setting that's lower fidelity than a console except in some rare cases that presents a bug or an oversight from the development team.
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I didn't say the PC version will be inferior? I just said for most people the PS5 will be the best version they can play because they don't have powerful PCs. There is no debate here so I'm not sure why you felt the need to jump like that.

Days Gone and God of War are absolutely fine on PS5. Even if there is a PC version I won't buy it.
 

DavidGzz

Member
Who is we? Who is pretending? I wouldn't wish Horizon or Days Gone on my worst enemies.

They are terrible and I feel suckered into buying them because the fanboys talked them up. Dropped them both quickly. Put the good ones on PC, Sony. BB, Ghost of Tshushima, and God of War, please.
 
A few older games here or there probably won’t matter much, but IF Sony eventually follow the path of Microsoft with day one simultaneous releases, then I think this will definitely hurt the PlayStation brand in the long run. We’ll see what happens, but Sony has to be really careful with this strategy because I personally think that’s the primary thing that hurt the XBOX.
 

Azurro

Banned
How in any way is the ecosystem eroded because some 1P games come 2 years/3 years later onto PC?

Because the appeal of the PlayStation ecosystem is its exclusives. If the exclusives become timed exclusives, then there's no point in getting a PlayStation.

The games themselves were supposed to be designed with a set hardware in mind and to maximize the performance of a single platform.

I suppose Sony is feeling the cost of creating the software and only having a single platform to sell them on. One would think they wouldn't be done with profit first but rather to tie people to the ecosystem, but, I guess I am retarded. :)
 
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VFXVeteran

Banned
Does that still mean day 1 first party going forward?
I honestly don't know. And my contact has moved on to MS. I would think that eventually it will be day-n-date but that's my speculation. I do know that changing the graphics engine for a more portable friendly game is futureproof for sequels. I doubt they will wait longer than 6 months for a PC version if they are spending the R&D money to make their engine portable. The dev studios gotta eat.
 
Jim Ryan is incompetent at his job, he has no clue what made PS successful cause he was head of Europe where there was no competition for PS.

He is a clown and by the end of the generation he will have damaged the brand quite substantially.
At the very least he can kiss that 150m PS5's target good bye. Like all the slicks in the business who get the top gig and think they can reinvent the wheel with bright ideas and get no burns. We've had quite a few of them on this industry. To copy Philly boy.... ain't too bright that fella. I know I keep getting told I should buy Nvidia stock.... it's becoming pretty hard not to.
 
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ACESHIGH

Banned
Something I never understood was why would Sony have to reach From Software to work on a Bloodborne Pc/PS5 remaster. Don't they own the source code since Japan studio was involved and at the end of the day it's a Sony IP?

Unless there are other discussions to be had like revenue share of the pc sales.
 
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VFXVeteran

Banned
because it meant in the development phase they were already planning a PC port, and that constrains them from using the bespoke hardware to its full potential - which by the very nature of the console business, was the point of paying a large closed system hardware tax to begin with.
I don't understand where this comes from. There have been several companies that have used the PS to it's full potential - even today. It doesn't have to be a 1st party company.
 

Azurro

Banned
Selling my ps5 as we speak..
How the fuck can i enjoy my exclusive games when other people can enjoy it too?

It's not about enjoyment, it's a very simple concept, why get a PlayStation when the most important part of the experience is found in other platforms? Better just to get a PC rather than bother with a console.
 

kretos

Banned
On behalf of Sony, I'd like to apologize to PC users for bestowing Days Gone onto your wondaful platform. First Horizon and now this. One day we'll give you a good game instead of our approximation of a typically Ubisoft release.

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the hell are you talking about? both are great games
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
From a business perspective, God of War and Ratchet and Clank makes sense to come soon to PC. The sequels are on the way to PS5, so now is the chance for Sony to reach people who didn't own a PlayStation, make them care for the series and buy a PlayStation 5 for the sequels.
I very seriously doubt this is the intention of Sony. They aren't going to convince PC players to buy PS5s when PC hardware can be more powerful and run better. I think it's basically a revenue thing. Why have MS make more money because they release to the PC as well and Sony not do the same? Porting these games to PC requires a significant amount of refactoring of their graphics engine. The companies aren't going to go through that just to convince people to buy a PS5. This isn't a marketing ploy. It's a paradigm shift.
 
I very seriously doubt this is the intention of Sony. They aren't going to convince PC players to buy PS5s when PC hardware can be more powerful and run better. I think it's basically a revenue thing. Why have MS make more money because they release to the PC as well and Sony not do the same? Porting these games to PC requires a significant amount of refactoring of their graphics engine. The companies aren't going to go through that just to convince people to buy a PS5. This isn't a marketing ploy. It's a paradigm shift.

Yeah it's clear to me there's a PC audience that will never buy a console. With Sony first party getting so big they could be missing out on a huge amount of revenue (much moreso than not being on Xbox, for instance).

At the end of the day it's all about $$$$, but I'd be shocked to see day and date on PC for a long time if ever on a consistent basis.
 
.........what's the issue here?

My PC aside, an Xbox 360, and a Mega Drive, are the only consoles I've owned other than every single Playstation in my lifetime.

I....don't see why this is a bad thing?

Days Gone ran like ass on the PS4, somewhat sold well, but not too hot due to the BS negative reviews.

This could benefit Bend Studios and Sony o.o

Or is it just because its Sony having games on the PC and like the man children we're stereotyped as we are throwing a fit a over this?
 

Optimus Lime

(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
.........what's the issue here?
There isn't one. It's the bleatings of the mentally ill. In a world where you are expected to hold down a job, go to school, raise families, and try to stay sane during a pandemic, it is a bizarre sight that there are supposed adults weeping because people they've never met will be able to buy games they already own three years after they bought them. It makes me think that atomic war isn't such a bad idea.
 
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