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[isoRhythm]

the game isnt even optimized for CPUs. I just ran the PC version and the CPU usage topped out at 28%. Surely a game with so much destruction could be using the CPU better to offload some of that destruction from the GPU.

Is it really fair to say its not cpu optimized? The actual gameplay & design revolves around particle effects, physx like destruction, and obviously ray tracing which are all GPU bound tasks.

 

[Rudius]

That's 3.6x more pixels than Pro in the 60fps mode.

4.2 x 3.6 = 15,12. So, judging by this game, PS5 Tflops (10.28) are roughly 50% more efficient than on PS4 Pro?

 

[rodrigolfp]

I have a good PC that I use for more than just gaming, it's my primary device. On the other hand I can use my PS5 for couch gaming as it's very comfortable and I can use it for games I can't get on PC. It's really not that difficult to understand, different people have different preferences. Most people don't want to be hunched over at a desk playing around with tensorflow.. messing with graphics settings, and

And if you wanna start with exclusives.. Trust me I've tried getting friends interested into PC games like HOI4, they would rather play cup and ball.

I use my PC laying on my bad, better than couch that I could also use. Troubleshooting can be a good thing because at least you have a solution while you have none on consoles. Exclusives there are gazillions on pc. If you don´t like them, your loss. Consoles = exclusives box for many if not all pc gamers.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

DLSS saved this game on PC.

When people mock console performance I wonder if they sometimes forget this.

 

[Orta]

Doesn't an RTX 2060 cost as much as a PS5 (which comes with a full working system out of the box that includes cables and controller)? Console players know what they are doing.

And so do we. There's no point throwing the (old) cost argument at pc gamers. We know the costs involved, we wouldn't get into pc gaming if we weren't aware of and fortunate enough to be able to meet them.

 

[SlimySnake]

Is it really fair to say its not cpu optimized? The actual gameplay & design revolves around particle effects, physx like destruction, and obviously ray tracing which are all GPU bound tasks.

Perhaps. I've always been under the impression that the weaker console CPUs were responsible for poor framerates and non-existent destruction in current gen games.

 

[Mister Wolf]

When people mock console performance I wonder if they sometimes forget this.

Remedy could always offer lower than the lowest PC settings like they did for console on PC. Basically all we are seeing is Remedy choosing to use custom settings that they deemed unacceptable for the initial release of the game. They lowered their standards.

 

[kingpotato]

Did you read the article?

"But if 60fps is the preferred way to play, Control's 30fps RT mode is dazzling. The RT horsepower in the new consoles isn't enough to deliver the full array of PC's ray tracing features but you are getting the best bang for the buck with RT reflections on opaque surfaces - like marble, metals and anything that is remotely shiny - as well as transparent reflections for glass. I'd suggest looking at the video at the top of the page for a more detailed breakdown of the wonderful advantages that real-time hardware-accelerated ray tracing brings to the table, but essentially we are talking about accuracy, precision and an often transformative visual effect. Put simply, the choice of materials in Control's environments and objects, not to mention its overall design, is a perfect match for the technology. With both night and day improvements to environmental detail, right down to added intricate detail in the smallest of objects, the 30fps RT mode is still a brilliant way to play the game."

"Altogether, I think Control Ultimate Edition on PlayStation 5 is excellent. Whether you gain RT reflections at 30fps, or run the game flat-out at 60fps, you're one step closer to seeing Remedy's vision delivered at its best - and the upgrade over last-gen is profound. The only way to better it is via the existing PC game running on high-end hardware, preferably with an Nvidia RTX card: you get more ray traced effects, higher precision rasterisation settings and one of the best implementations of Nvidia's DLSS AI upscaling, opening the door to 4K 60fps with all RT effects enabled on RTX 2080 Ti, and RTX 3070 or better. Lower the resolution and less capable RTX cards can still offer up a fantastic experience."

Control Ultimate Edition - how next-gen consoles transform a classic game • Eurogamer.net

How is this bad PR?



Those are all gamers according to both newzoo and DFC Intelligence.

"A new report claims that 48 percent of all gaming happens on PCs, with a whopping 3.1B gamers worldwide across all platforms, consoles, and mobile devices. What’s interesting here is how the data breaks down across region and in terms of gaming spend." August 2020

"Finally, PC gaming, driven by its 1.3 billion players, will grow +4.8% year on year to $36.9 billion in 2020. " May 2020

3 Billion People Worldwide Are Gamers, and Nearly Half Play on PCs - ExtremeTech
The World’s 2.7 Billion Gamers Will Spend $159.3 Billion on Games in 2020; The Market Will Surpass $200 Billion by 2023 | Newzoo

Damn that means over 1 in 7 people on earth are pc gamers? 14%
That's higher than I would have guessed.

I have a good PC that I use for more than just gaming, it's my primary device. On the other hand I can use my PS5 for couch gaming as it's very comfortable and I can use it for games I can't get on PC. It's really not that difficult to understand, different people have different preferences. Most people don't want to be hunched over at a desk playing around with tensorflow.. messing with graphics settings, and troubleshooting.

And if you wanna start with exclusives.. Trust me I've tried getting friends interested into PC games like HOI4, they would rather play cup and ball.

Wait, they shift from a machine learning platform to tweaking their game graphics?

 

[Radical_3d]

4.2 x 3.6 = 15,12. So, judging by this game, PS5 Tflops (10.28) are roughly 50% more efficient than on PS4 Pro?

Beneath the range of the expected performance gains that were projected from theorical specs. PS5 15-16 old TF and XsX 17-18 old TF. That’s why their memory configuration is so disappointing in both cases.

 

[Night.Ninja]

Surprised it can't be preloaded

 

[Md Ray]

The game is dropping frames when smoke effects show up on screen using those settings. How are those settings not the PS5's MAX?

GTA 5 also had frame-rate dips on PS4. Were its settings PS4's MAX?

By your logic, RDR2 shouldn't be possible/exist on PS4.

 

[isoRhythm]

Wait, they shift from a machine learning platform to tweaking their game graphics?

The argument was that a PC can do a lot more than a console can do (beyond gaming). But my argument is that most people don't need/want features that are useful for a very very tiny portion of the population.

I use my PC laying on my bad, better than couch that I could also use. Troubleshooting can be a good thing because at least you have a solution while you have none on consoles. Exclusives there are gazillions on pc. If you don´t like them, your loss. Consoles = exclusives box for many if not all pc gamers.

That's great that you have a comfy setup but it's still too much of a hassle for most people to setup (I personally have my desktop locally streaming to my laptop through parsec which is also very useful). And yeah there a gazillion exclusives on PC but as I used my HOI4 example, almost all of them are very niche or not very technically impressive (CS:GO, league etc).

 

[HAL-01]

so what is then?

shitty flip to next gen to cash in

or

actual ok port great to try it?

It’s an okay port, more optimizations could’ve been made but given it’s a small team they did what they could

 

[Panajev2001a]

It’s an okay port, more optimizations could’ve been made but given it’s a small team they did what they could

I am quite impressed at how much tech they packed in, but the strain on the systems is there.

 

[Spukc]

It’s an okay port, more optimizations could’ve been made but given it’s a small team they did what they could

a small team that fucked over early adopters
threw in a sale on december to fuck over people that wanted to buy it when the patch came out
free on ps+ suddenly

small team my ass

 

[HAL-01]

GTA 5 also had frame-rate dips on PS4. Were its settings PS4's MAX?

By your logic, RDR2 shouldn't be possible/exist on PS4.

The guy doesn’t understand that “optimization” doesn’t mean “fiddling around with the end-user settings”

 

[HAL-01]

a small team that fucked over early adopters
threw in a sale on december to fuck over people that wanted to buy it when the patch came out
free on ps+ suddenly

small team my ass

That’s all on the publisher though

 

[Physiognomonics]

4.2 x 3.6 = 15,12. So, judging by this game, PS5 Tflops (10.28) are roughly 50% more efficient than on PS4 Pro?

Judging by this game yes.

 

[Md Ray]

what are the XsX settings gonna be

Most likely the same?

 

[rodrigolfp]

The argument was that a PC can do a lot more than a console can do (beyond gaming). But my argument is that most people don't need/want features that are useful for a very very tiny portion of the population.

That's great that you have a comfy setup but it's still too much of a hassle for most people to setup (I personally have my desktop locally streaming to my laptop through parsec which is also very useful). And yeah there a gazillion exclusives on PC but as I used my HOI4 example, almost all of them are very niche or not very technically impressive (CS:GO, league etc).

No. Not beyond gaming. Just talking about gaming. Consider non gaming stuff, pc prices are even more worth every penny.

And lol "niche or not very technically impressive". Just being non niche or tecnically top the game is good. Sure, Jan.

 

[Chris_Rivera]

Looking forward to playing this tomorrow. Glad I waited, this version will do just fine on the CX at 60fps.

 

[isoRhythm]

Just being non niche or tecnically top the game is good. Sure, Jan.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Digital Foundry is making me love PC Gaming.

 

[kingpotato]

And so do we. There's no point throwing the (old) cost argument at pc gamers. We know the costs involved, we wouldn't get into pc gaming if we weren't aware of and fortunate enough to be able to meet them.

Yeah lol, but you just did that to console gamers (unless I'm misunderstanding your original comment). We know you can't squeeze the performance of a card that costs more than the entire console into a launch window port. We know the power/cost difference involved, we wouldn't get into console gaming if we weren't aware of the value proposition.

 

[Barakov]

This game potential will be finally utilized on PlayStation 6.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

So, at the risk of getting fuckin' rekt, I gotta float my thinking out there. Here goes:

Back in the summer a lot of people speculated that these consoles will most likely end up performing at around a 5700XT level of performance. This didn't go over very well at the time. Many, including myself, instead were aiming/hoping for more 2080ish equivalency. But based on the results so far....was the 5700XT comparison somewhat accurate?

Now obviously, 5700XT is RDNA1, so it isn't like for like, but so far with this small sample size (3 months since launch), doesn't it seem like this is somewhat accurate?

Is it reasonable to suggest that XsX and PS5 are basically a "5700XT+," the "+" being faster clocks, better memory, and RDNA2 features absent on the standard 5700XT?

I could be way off, don't kill me too hard. Make it quick, at least, bullet right to the brain.

Disclaimer: The 5700XT is a fine card. It is good for 1440p/60 in many games and 4k/30 in many games. Nothing wrong there.

 

[SlimySnake]

Digital Foundry is making me love PC Gaming.

I understood that reference.

 

[bender]

Sony started using a more PC like architecture with the PS4 so these results shouldn't be surprising for a $400-500 box when compared to an enthusiast level gaming PC. I'd guess the power draw on the GPU in those systems is more than the total of the PS5/XSX. Consoles will punch above their weight class for the time being but that doesn't mean they can compete with welter or heavy weights.

 

[Md Ray]

Even PS5 can't fix that face.

That's it. Close the thread.

 

[rofif]

low and medium settings across the board.... I mean that is understandable but a bit disappointing. The game requires 3080 to play 60fps maxed 1440p -> 4k with dlss.
Face is still square though

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

low and medium settings across the board.... I mean that is understandable but a bit disappointing. The game requires 3080 to play 60fps maxed 1440p -> 4k with dlss.
Face is still square though

A 3060 Ti can average 68ish FPS on 1440p/Ultra (native, no RT), but yeah, either way, it is a demanding game. A 3060 Ti is still 15-20 percent ahead of these consoles, from what I read.

 

[rofif]

A 3060 Ti can average 68ish FPS on 1440p/Ultra (native, no RT), but yeah, either way, it is a demanding game. A 3060 Ti is still 15-20 percent ahead of these consoles, from what I read.

I am talking with 4k(1440p(or that one res lower but not 1080p) dlss), max settings, all RT settings. It goes 50-60 on 3080 so it is very demanding

 

[Mister Wolf]

I am talking with 4k(1440p(or that one res lower but not 1080p) dlss), max settings, all RT settings. It goes 50-60 on 3080 so it is very demanding

They should have given us the option to lower the resolution of the raytraced reflections like they are doing now for the consoles.

 

[Superayate]

Judging by this game yes.

No, that's not so simple, don't forget magic Jaguar cpu I think it was mostly limited by cpu than gpu on PS4 pro and XsX. But the gap is really nice.

 

[K' Dash]

Even PS5 can't fix that face.

considering what PS5 did to Peter Parkers face, I'm glad they didn't "fix it"

 

[UnNamed]

So, in a gaming forum, in a gaming thread, the PC wins because it runs Excel?

Yikes!

Technically even ps5 could run excel, it's just because they don't wan't, not because they can't. PS4 with jailbrake can support an OS, run programs, emulators, and even PS4 games, something PC can't (run PS4 games) so PS4 is even better than a PC.
This argument is invalid.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

What does that have to do with Control and raytracing on a kettle?

Connect the dots

 

[QuantumZebra]

Super excited for this. It's been in my backlog and I've heard great things.

 

[Captain Toad]

Connect the dots

Control is not a PlayStation exclusive. You were talking about it in the context of "other" PlayStation exclusives.

 

[Physiognomonics]

A 3060 Ti can average 68ish FPS on 1440p/Ultra (native, no RT), but yeah, either way, it is a demanding game. A 3060 Ti is still 15-20 percent ahead of these consoles, from what I read.

If you cap that 3060ti at 60fps what would the average be?

 

[rodrigolfp]

Technically even ps5 could run excel, it's just because they don't wan't, not because they can't. PS4 with jailbrake can support an OS, run programs, emulators, and even PS4 games, something PC can't, so PS4 is even better than a PC.
This argument is invalid.

PS4 can run better all emulators, multi platform games, support all controllers, resolutions, framerates, mods more than pc??? Tell me more.

 

[01011001]

yeah this runs most likely worse than on a GTX1080, and I'm talking with RT reflections and RT transparent reflections turned on.

even on my 1070oc I get 1080p30 with these settings... the fuck is this?

 

[Duchess]

Would be awesome to see a 1080p 60fps RT mode, if the RT was dialed down a bit. Something tells me it won't happen, however.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Control is not a PlayStation exclusive. You were talking about it in the context of "other" PlayStation exclusives.

I just can't. Sorry, you are too much.

 

[Captain Toad]

I just can't. Sorry, you are too much.

Can't explain what you mean? I'm sure there is a point you think you made, but I honestly don't know what point you are trying to make.

Are you suggesting I don't appreciate PlayStation games because I'm not floored by a third-party game's use of raytracing?

 

[SlimySnake]

yeah this runs worse than on a GTX1080, and I'm talking with RT reflections and RT transparent reflections turned on.

even on my 1070oc I get 1080p30 with these settings... the fuck is this?

No offense but you are mistaken.

1080Ti which is 30% faster than a 1080 runs the game at 9 fps at 1440p with ray tracing on high. A 1080 even at medium RT settings would give you 5-10 fps at best. 1070 probably 5 fps at 1080p. if not lower.

 

[01011001]

No offense but you are mistaken.

1080Ti which is 30% faster than a 1080 runs the game at 9 fps at 1440p with ray tracing on high. A 1080 even at medium RT settings would give you 5-10 fps at best. 1070 probably 5 fps at 1080p. if not lower.

the console version runs RT on medium (the lowest preset), which means only reflections and transparent reflections are on.
the GI and Shadows are extremely demanding in this, so of course the performance will buckle if they are on, which they are on high.

i played it literally this week on my overclocked 1070 at 1080p30 with these exact setting, actually some of the non-RT settings were set higher than here.
if I only turn on transparent reflections as in windows etc., it's actually getting close to 60fps

 

[Thirty7ven]

Miles Morales out there rocking RT, destruction, 4K, particles up the whazoo, higher detail models, open world... but clowns want Control to be anything other than small tits port.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

the console version runs RT on medium (the lowest preset), which means only reflections and transparent reflections are on.

I thought it was actually even lower on console, the reflections are checkerboarded and have lower draw distance than PC's lowest RT reflections? Or did I misunderstand the video?

Miles Morales out there rocking RT, destruction, 4K, particles up the whazoo, higher detail models, open world... but clowns want Control to be anything other than small tits port.

Insomniac are fucking genius wizards when it comes to that stuff. I can't wait for Rift Apart.

 

[kyliethicc]

One interesting aspect of all this could be if Remedy's engine prefers Nvidia's architecture over AMD's, as the game was an Nvidia sponsored PC RTX game.

Is Control on the new RDNA2 PC GPUs about the same as Ampere? Or does Nvidia win in head to heads with AMD in this game?