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Intervention: Microsoft GAF, you're out of control

ACESHIGH

Banned
Overly long post incoming.


Here's my take on this generation and the problem I've got with the treatment different companies get by the press, you tubers and fanboys across agenda pushing forums like Reset Era or this one

I have been a PC only gamer since I built a gaming PC right when the 8th generation of consoles started. I really got back into gaming this gen after leaving the hobby for like 7 years. This generation right from the start, the press was set to destroy big bad monopolistic Microsoft since their Xbox one reveal. I get that Kinect was a clusterfuck, but the always online checks? We are 99% of the time online now. Sharing games? We are more digital than ever now. And guess what, you can share digital games with xbox as well. But that stupid video from Sony got viral, because that's the narrative the press and fanboys wanted to push.

Then I saw how the xbox one got flak for running games at a slightly lower resolution (typically 900p vs 1080p) the gaming press and the fanboys made this incredibly small gap feel as if it were an ocean of performance. Curious why this was never a thing again once the Xbox one X released. Oh and btw Sony, those "Dynamic 4k" ads for the PS4 Pro on the Champions League? That's false advertising.

Something started to caught my attention, when it came to new releases. There wasn't much talk about MS , but everything Sony did was seen as the second coming. Mediocre games like Uncharted 4 were given really high scores in Metacritic just for being released by one of Sony's top studios. Sony fans will later recognize that is the weakest Uncharted series ever. For comparison, Rise of the Tomb Raider was given lower scores in spite the fact that you could do much more in the game and the gameplay was more fluid and better paced

Even acknowledging that MS First party output was a mixed bag this generation...Do you have any shadow of doubt that if games like Quantum Break, Killer Instinct, Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive were released as Playstation exclusives, they would have 10 to 15 extra points by press outlets? Its all about keeping your largest audience happy, dont tell them something they dont want to hear. Tell them what they want to hear: Sony good, MS, Nintendo and PC gaming bad.

FFs just compare Killer Instinct to the clusterfuck that was SFV (Sony console exclusive) I was there at launch with a copy of SFV on PC trying to install the damn thing, to this day is one of the most barebones fighting games ever. Completely inexcusable. At least KI was free to play, and you could buy the full version afterwards. And down the line got an awesome single player extra mode, Lords of Shadow. Compare to that terrible excuse for a Story mode from SFV.

Then we got the concern trolling (a recurring theme by the press/you tubers/fanboys when it came to the Xbox and MS) due to their decision to release their games on PC. Will MS become third party? Is Xbox dead? Why do I need an xbox? Seems that everyone all of a sudden had a spare gaming PC alongside their PS4.
BTW remember all the flak MS got for a couple of months of timed exclusivity with Rise of the Tomb Raider? Sony does it all the time, FFVII Remake, Nier Automata, Nioh and more. But is never called for it.

Then we got the constant downplay of Xbox releases when it came to the Goty awards: Truly great games with lots of replay values and big communities like the Forza Horizon games could never be considered for Goty because they are racing games. It seems you have to be a cinematic third person game with an "emotional" story to be elegible to Goty awards. Give me gameplay oriented games any day.

Also the constant downplay of innovative games like Sea of Thieves just because they are online experiences. The press shills must learn that Games as a Service like Sea of Thieves can have as much value and prestige as Single Player story based games. Not everyone is interested in Single player one and dones where moving the analog stick up and watching cutscenes is half of the gameplay

And then the fanboys... truly the worst fanboys in all gaming. Nintendo fanboys are passionate about their games, xbox fans got flak all this generation and the PC gaming community is by far the best and most collaborative. Never got the PCMR stereotype. PC gaming is for everyone, from Intel HD graphics to 4 way SLI 3080s

But Sony fanboys (of course talking just about fanboys here) they really believe they are the bees knees. Smug and arrogant. These folks truly believe that all third party devs owe Sony and should not release their games in other platforms: remember the meltdown when Square and Capcom DARED to release FFXIII and DMC 4 on the xbox?

I believe this sense of entitlement comes from the PS1 and PS2 when they monopolized the console market thanks to piracy (how do you believe that Sony got its "global" appeal?) Chinese style dumping to get Sega and Nintendo out of the console market it was.

Bunch of hypocrites they label PC gamers as pirates when Playstation is what it is thanks to piracy. All those shills in the press in their 30s and 40s grew up with their modded PS1 and PS2 and a tower of CD-R - DVD-R. Cheap folks that champion the used games market so that they keep buying and selling games without giving money to the devs. At least PC gamers buying games on Steam sales give money to the devs.

At the end of the day its about being critical when companies do things wrong give them a pat on the back when right. But if you really like this hobby as a whole its important to be FAIR. Not everything done on MS, PC or Nintendo is bad and everything done on Sony's camp is the second coming of christ: Their games are polished but safe, their regional pricing policy is non existent. PS Now is an utter failure. The PS4 and PS4 Pro sounded like jet engines when pushed, and Sony's stance on backwards compatibility is an embarrassment.
 
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DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
Overly long post incoming.


Here's my take on this generation and the problem I've got with the treatment different companies get by the press, you tubers and fanboys across agenda pushing forums like Reset Era or this one

I have been a PC only gamer since I built a gaming PC right when the 8th generation of consoles started. I really got back into gaming this gen after leaving the hobby for like 7 years. This generation right from the start, the press was set to destroy big bad monopolistic Microsoft since their Xbox one reveal. I get that Kinect was a clusterfuck, but the always online checks? We are 99% of the time online now. Sharing games? We are more digital than ever now. And guess what, you can share digital games with xbox as well. But that stupid video from Sony got viral, because that's the narrative the press and fanboys wanted to push.

Then I saw how the xbox one got flak for running games at a slightly lower resolution (typically 900p vs 1080p) the gaming press and the fanboys made this incredibly small gap feel as if it were an ocean of performance. Curious why this was never a thing again once the Xbox one released. Oh and btw Sony, those "Dynamic 4k" ads for the PS4 Pro on the Champions League? That's false advertising.

Something started to caught my attention, when it came to new releases. There wasn't much talk about MS , but everything Sony did was seen as the second coming. Mediocre games like Uncharted 4 were given really high scores in Metacritic just for being released by one of Sony's top studios. Sony fans will later recognize that is the weakest Uncharted series ever. For comparison, Rise of the Tomb Raider was given lower scores in spite the fact that you could do much more in the game and the gameplay was more fluid and better paced

Do you have any shadow of doubt that if games like Quantum Break, Killer Instinct, Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive were released as Playstation exclusives, they would have 10 to 15 extra points by Metacritic shills?

FFs just compare Killer Instinct to the clusterfuck that was SFV (Sony console exclusive) I was there at launch with a copy of SFV on PC trying to install the damn thing, to this day is one of the most barebones fighting games ever. Completely inexcusable. At least KI was free to play, and you could buy the full version afterwards. And down the line got an awesome single player extra mode, Lords of Shadow. Compare to that terrible excuse for a Story mode from SFV.

Then we got the concern trolling (a recurring theme by the press/you tubers/fanboys when it came to the Xbox and MS) due to their decision to release their games on PC. Will MS become third party? Is Xbox dead? Why do I need an xbox? Seems that everyone all of a sudden had a spare gaming PC alongside their PS4.
BTW remember all the flak MS got for a couple of months of timed exclusivity with Rise of the Tomb Raider? Sony does it all the time, FFVII Remake, Nier Automata, Nioh and more. But is never called for it.

Then we got the constant downplay of Xbox releases when it came to the Goty awards: Truly great games with lots of replay values and big communities like the Forza Horizon games could never be considered for Goty because they are racing games. It seems you have to be a cinematic third person game with an "emotional" story to be elegible to Goty awards. Give me gameplay oriented games any day.

Also the constant downplay of innovative games like Sea of Thieves just because they are online experiences. The press shills must learn that Games as a Service like Sea of Thieves can have as much value and prestige as Single Player story based games. Not everyone is interested in Single player one and dones where moving the analog stick up and watching cutscenes is half of the gameplay

And then the fanboys... truly the worst fanboys in all gaming. Nintendo fanboys are passionate about their games, xbox fans got flak all this generation and the PC gaming community is by far the best and most collaborative. Never got the PCMR stereotype. PC gaming is for everyone, from Intel HD graphics to 4 way SLI 3080s

But Sony fanboys (of course talking just about fanboys here) they really believe they are the bees knees. Smug and arrogant. These folks truly believe that all third party devs owe Sony and should not release their games in other platforms: remember the meltdown when Square and Capcom DARED to release FFXIII and DMC 4 on the xbox?

I believe this sense of entitlement comes from the PS1 and PS2 when they monopolized the console market thanks to piracy (how do you believe that Sony got its "global" appeal?) Chinese style dumping to get Sega and Nintendo out of the console market it was.

Bunch of hypocrites they label PC gamers as pirates when Playstation is what it is thanks to piracy. All those shills in the press in their 30s and 40s grew up with their modded PS1 and PS2 and a tower of CD-R - DVD-R. Cheap folks that champion the used games market so that they keep buying and selling games without giving money to the devs. At least PC gamers buying games on Steam sales give money to the devs.

At the end of the day its about being critical when companies do things wrong give them a pat on the back when right. But if you really like this hobby as a whole its important to be FAIR. Not everything done on MS, PC or Nintendo is bad and everything done on Sony's camp is the second coming of christ: Their games are polished but safe, their regional pricing policy is non existent. PS Now is an utter failure. The PS4 and PS4 Pro sounded like jet engines when pushed, and Sony's stance on backwards compatibility is an embarrassment.
Now just shuffle the brands/consoles you used in this post, like an Ad Lib, and you'll notice that it applies equally. Here, I'll even snip the line where you answered your own complaint:

Sony fanboys (of course talking just about fanboys here) they really believe they are the bees knees. Smug and arrogant.

Wow, you don't like interacting with smug and arrogant bees knees people? Neither do I. Neither do most people. Ascribing an insidious motive to These Particular Fanboys is a trap. Every brand has its fanboys. People pushed up their glasses for Turbografx and Atari Jaguar. None of this behavior is unique to Sony. When brands feel like they are "on top", a subset of the fanbase acts smug about it. This applies to sports, to clothing brands, to all sorts of things.

I love reading diary entries about how These Particular Fanboys are the worst, and how their checkered history proves they are the worst. It says nothing about the fanbase and everything about the accuser.
 
Now just shuffle the brands/consoles you used in this post, like an Ad Lib, and you'll notice that it applies equally. Here, I'll even snip the line where you answered your own complaint:



Wow, you don't like interacting with smug and arrogant bees knees people? Neither do I. Neither do most people. Ascribing an insidious motive to These Particular Fanboys is a trap. Every brand has its fanboys. People pushed up their glasses for Turbografx and Atari Jaguar. None of this behavior is unique to Sony. When brands feel like they are "on top", a subset of the fanbase acts smug about it. This applies to sports, to clothing brands, to all sorts of things.

I love reading diary entries about how These Particular Fanboys are the worst, and how their checkered history proves they are the worst. It says nothing about the fanbase and everything about the accuser.
Xbox fanboys are equally bad....they get amnesia pre 2013. Like the 360 years didn't happen. All the BS and shit talking Ps3 owners went through especially during the launch. Both camps are made up of overzealous nerds. There's no victim here at all.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
So you can't back up what you say. Meanwhile you wander from thread to thread talking about how excited you are for meltdowns and people eating crow.

Fanboys denying they are fanboys while calling other people fanboys is hilarious. Excellent 🍯 thread. Lots of masks left at the door.

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What exactly do you want me to back it up with? Tell me exactly what you want. This place was/is known as SonyGAF all over the internet for a reason.

And yes, I'm loving the meltdowns. It's amazing viewing. If you want to call me a fanboy then go ahead, I know I'm not. I know I'll happily buy a PS5 at any moment, with zero hesitation, that a game releases that I want to play.

You're approaching mini meltdown status at the moment, and it's hilarious. Keep going fella. You seem to think that before this zenimax buyout GAF was a completely neutral safe space for intelligent discussion with no fanboy biases lol. You think that because you're part of the majority, the Sony leaning side. Now you're getting a taste of your own medicine and you can't take it.
 
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DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
What exactly do you want me to back it up with? Tell me exactly what you want. This place was/is known as SonyGAF all over the internet for a reason.

And yes, I'm loving the meltdowns. It's amazing viewing. If you want to call me a fanboy then go ahead, I know I'm not. I know I'll happily buy a PS5 at any moment, with zero hesitation, that a game releases that I want to play.

You're approaching mini meltdown status at the moment, and it's hilarious. Keep going fella. You seem to think that before this zenimax buyout GAF was a completely neutral safe space for intelligent discussion with no fanboy biases lol. You think that because you're part of the majority, the Sony leaning side. Now you're getting a taste of your own medicine and you can't take it.
lol I know I've struck a nerve when the mind-reading begins.

I'm not the fanboy. Y-you're the fanboy!
 

ACESHIGH

Banned
Xbox fanboys are equally bad....they get amnesia pre 2013. Like the 360 years didn't happen. All the BS and shit talking Ps3 owners went through especially during the launch. Both camps are made up of overzealous nerds. There's no victim here at all.

Maybe the xbox fanboys had motives back then to behave like that for a while? Remember pre ps3 launch Sony? E3 2005? There was a corporate slide where Sony themselves stated that the console war was over and there was just a battle for the second place. That was peak Arrogant Sony. And if you have clueless fanboys backing that up you end up with "599 USD" and an exec stating that you will need to get a second job to get their product.
 
I don't care how toxic it is, the problem is every idiot who thinks they have a "unique" take makes their own thread on the same fucking thing everyone else is already talking about.
 
Xbox fanboys are equally bad....they get amnesia pre 2013. Like the 360 years didn't happen. All the BS and shit talking Ps3 owners went through especially during the launch. Both camps are made up of overzealous nerds. There's no victim here at all.

You’re right and let’s be real here, some of the Sony side wasn’t entirely innocent either

The infamous petition to stop Devil May Cry 4 and other games from going multi platform

The Final Fantasy XIII meltdowns

The whole “you have to swap a disc so your version is inferior shit”

I mean what kind of arsehole goes ballistic at the idea that others can play a game they can still play?

All fan bases as you say have these dickheads, it’s not even teens all the time, 30s-40s on occasion.
 
You’re right and let’s be real here, some of the Sony side wasn’t entirely innocent either

The infamous petition to stop Devil May Cry 4 and other games from going multi platform

The Final Fantasy XIII meltdowns

The whole “you have to swap a disc so your version is inferior shit”

I mean what kind of arsehole goes ballistic at the idea that others can play a game they can still play?

All fan bases as you say have these dickheads, it’s not even teens all the time, 30s-40s on occasion.

These are some old ass games you guys are talking about. Like you're harboring grudges from a time in the forum's lifespan before half the forum departed lol
 

Kagey K

Banned
I don't care how toxic it is, the problem is every idiot who thinks they have a "unique" take makes their own thread on the same fucking thing everyone else is already talking about.
I can agree with this. Many of the threads are redundant and sometimes just full on stupid. We could definitely use less threads that are all basically blog posts and shower thoughts about the same subject.

There are plenty of those about both the Xbox and PlayStation, and can feel like they are flooding the forum.
 

RafterXL

Member
You're soft, OP. One week and you're already curled up in the fetal position crying "leave Britney alone!".

How about reflect on how awful and unbearable Sony fans have been every single day for this entire gen and then ask yourself why anyone should care about the last few days?

You're not a victim, Sony is not a victim, and this is all part of the community you've fostered for years. The ONLY difference is you are getting the ass end of it, for a change.
 

VAL0R

Banned
MS has the money to swallow up and dominate console gaming by brute financial force. They are finally expressing that will and have opened their corporate warchest to Xbox and Spencer's vision. 10 billion in acquisitions since this gen began and the pace is quickening. The CEO is promising more. MS sees Game Pass and cloud gaming as the future of this industry. They will spend a mountain of cash to secure supremacy in that future.

Sony fans see it coming. They know the long game belongs to MS if they want it. And MS are finally acting like they want it. This is going t be a painful gen for Sony fans.
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
Xbox fanboys are equally bad....they get amnesia pre 2013. Like the 360 years didn't happen. All the BS and shit talking Ps3 owners went through especially during the launch. Both camps are made up of overzealous nerds. There's no victim here at all.
Eh, I don't even want to entertain the notion of "equally bad". Fanboys are fanboys, and they latch onto pop-culture things because it gives them a chance to be assholes. As I already stated, it happens in sports, in clothing, in movies, in all sorts of branded/consoooomer markets. It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with the assholes.
 
Eh, I don't even want to entertain the notion of "equally bad". Fanboys are fanboys, and they latch onto pop-culture things because it gives them a chance to be assholes. As I already stated, it happens in sports, in clothing, in movies, in all sorts of branded/consoooomer markets. It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with the assholes.

Exactly plus it can make you laugh in times of boredom! :)
 
Why would I go into a Game Pass thread? It gets mentioned in every other thread.

And the OP's point is that "what goes around comes around" is bad for the community. It's funny that it can be spelled out plainly yet people will still say "yeah but Sony had it coming".

Your tour of duty against the Sony Ponies is meaningless. They are fanboys and you became one in the process. Achievement unlocked.
I don't have a tour of duty against anybody. I am just enjoying the humor in the hypocrisy. I'm fortunate enough time own all 3 consoles and a good PC. I don't need to war, or enjoy warriors Ng, which is why it is so annoying to be bombarded by it in every xbox thread. If the Op is so concerned about what goes around coming he would've been vocal about it with his base.
 

Mr Hyde

Member
There's no need to be upset OP. What goes around comes around. Sony defence force has been pretty fucking vicious over the years, culminating in the obnoxious Craig-memeing.

Besides, we PS-fans should be happy that MS finally decided to grow a pair and step up to the challenge. This will light a fire under Sonys ass the likes you've never seen before. It will all be good in the end.

Sit back, relax and enjoy all the great games that are headed for next gen.
 
I can agree with this. Many of the threads are redundant and sometimes just full on stupid. We could definitely use less threads that are all basically blog posts and shower thoughts about the same subject.

There are plenty of those about both the Xbox and PlayStation, and can feel like they are flooding the forum.

And it really is every issue. Halo Infinite demo... entire front page about it... TLOU II... entire front page... can't we like... revoke thread privileges for people who don't do a search for an existing thread first? The forum being all threads about the same thing also makes it more likely that's all anyone even talks about, is there even 1 thread about how ODST hit Gamepass? Way more interesting to me than an acquisition we won't see the fruits of possibly for years, but I found it out on my own. I used to come here (before being a member) for gaming news and to see the hot takes to that news but lately it's like there's only one piece of news at a time anyone cares about.
 

Can we at least wait for the next Bethesda game not turning out like Fallout 76 before you claim victory?

Sony has just produced 2 GOTY contenders this year alone, and their 14 studios are hard at work to make the next GOTY games.

Even if the next Bethesda's game turns out to be a good game, that will not make Sony's AAA games bad.
 
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semicool

Banned
I know it's been a hard gen for you and you're hungry for retribution against Sony but reading GAF since the Bethesda acquisition anouncement is unbearable. Almost all the threads, related to Sony or not, are full of console warring cranked up to the max, unprovoked attacks, constant references to Sony fans and, in general, a very toxic atmosphere.
So go on, mock me and insult me for saying it, but also think about it because it's out of control and moderators apparently don't think so.
You should have been here for "the PS5 is 13+ Teraflops" fanboys and insider garbage....those were the days....
 

MrS

Banned
Mods have done a good job of letting things slide and maintaining balance. They let a lot slide with the Craig saga and they're doing the same with the Bethesda stuff. Can't fault them.

Yeah, something should be done. We're drowning in Sony fanboys' tears.
Ah, so that's why you pitted Sony's best games against each other, regardless of their genres, in the first round of your shitty GOTG "tournament". Knew something was up and long suspected it was your xbox fanboyism.
 
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nemiroff

Gold Member
This is so cringe.. Anyway, Sonygaf's parade is pretty much a 365 days a year thing here, is it really such a big of a deal to share a little bit of the space with the Xbox fans?
 
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Jigsaah

Gold Member
I know it's been a hard gen for you and you're hungry for retribution against Sony but reading GAF since the Bethesda acquisition anouncement is unbearable. Almost all the threads, related to Sony or not, are full of console warring cranked up to the max, unprovoked attacks, constant references to Sony fans and, in general, a very toxic atmosphere.

So go on, mock me and insult me for saying it, but also think about it because it's out of control and moderators apparently don't think so.
Maybe this will lead to people being a bit more amicable knowing that it can go both ways. I will say that while the post is valid, it does show just how spoiled Sony Fans have become.

If you are retching from the past few days here...try thinking about why it's this way and how you and others may have contributed to the toxicity. I'm not only speaking to the OP. I'm talking to everybody.

If you don't like it, don't do it to others. Golden Rule.
 

Gravemind

Member
Can we at least wait for the next Bethesda game not turning out like Fallout 76 before you claim victory?

Sony has just produced 2 GOTY contenders this year alone, and their 14 studios are hard at work to make the next GOTY games.

Even if the next Bethesda's game turns out to be a good game, that will not make Sony's AAA games bad.

Good for Sony man. You gunna keep posting this in here like anybody gives a fuck?
 

Batiman

Banned
Can we at least wait for the next Bethesda game not turning out like Fallout 76 before you claim victory?

Sony has just produced 2 GOTY contenders this year alone, and their 14 studios are hard at work to make the next GOTY games.

Even if the next Bethesda's game turns out to be a good game, that will not make Sony's AAA games bad.
I don’t care who “wins”. I game on everything and will be getting a ps5. Loving the hell out of spelunky 2 on PS4 right now. But it is satisfying seeing Sony fanboys that are so used to “winning” beg for mercy from Xbox fans. Shits funny
 

Droxcy

Member
Fanboys are crazy. I'm just a fan of gaming I mainly just play on my PC now a days but I secured a Series X & PS5 just because I'm a fan of games and tech.
 

semicool

Banned
Calm down, I didn't post a Craig meme. There's no need to be upset.
I'm like hella excited to see and kill Craig in Halo Infinite! An opposite emotion in contrast to that excitement, a Debbie downer if you will, would be thinking of a Neil Druckman Last of Us 3 by contrast.
 
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Batiman

Banned
I'm like hella excited to see and kill Craig in Halo Infinite! An opposite emotion in contrast to that excitement would be thinking of Neil Druckmans Last of Us 3 by contrast.
There’s a rumour going around that you play half the game from Craig’s perspective. Something like Arbiter from Halo 2. His plot is about getting revenge on those who shamed him.
 
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Gravemind

Member
Calm down, I didn't post a Craig meme. There's no need to be upset.

Okay, maybe that was a little harsh. But still. Let the Xbox fans enjoy a good week and probably the biggest gaming acquisition in industry history. That in itself is enough for some big excitement.

There really isnt a need for the "buh buh but Sony, look at Sony!". Good for them and all, but that really has nothing to do with anything.
 
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Kerotan

Member
you might be confusing Sony fans laughing at Sony.

The spiderman miles thread is full of Sony fans absolutely dejected by the current state of sony, but i havent seen the forum on fire like it was after the xsx reveal.
Definitely doesn't represent the general market that's super satisfied with the ps4 and hyped for the ps5/spiderman etc.
 
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