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PCGamer: "Just admit that your console exclusives are coming to PC already."

Hezekiah

Banned
Never had those issues so it might just be your bro.

60fps is a standard like 10 years old. Even 144fps is old. There's 240fps and even 360fps now. So framerate is still beneficial plus the sheer power of the hardware.



It's not begging when Sony themselves confirm the news, and we've been steadily getting more and more.

GAF should ban port defenders. They whine and cause so much drama, while praying on hands and knees to their favorite company, to not release all the upcoming games. So many threads created, full of mental breakdowns. Cringe.
240 - 360 FPS is for competitive gaming and low-budget Indies.

120 - 144fps is more than enough and actually realistic for AAA games. Look how difficult it is to get 120fps on something like BF5 at 1440p and above. Most people can't tell the difference above 120fps anyway.
 

theclaw135

Banned
What are the games on other consoles that sold that much? Hey let's cherry pick literally the best selling world wide cultural phenomenon of a game as evidence PC games don't sell

Okay then. What games exclusive to the PC since 2013 have sold a comparable number to the top PS4/XB1 exclusives?
 

Dr_Salt

Member
I think PC gamers lost any port begging rights or arguments. Horizon sales say it all PC gamers are not a market worth pursuing unless it is microtransaction heavy. PC gamers are like phone and tablet gamers they love to pay for hardware but not games. Got to get em on play to win.

Embarrassing sales jesus.


Owners: 200,000 .. 500,000

Check again when they actually make a good port of a good game.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Besides... where are the super popular PC games anymore?
Animal Crossing New Horizons has rocketed past 20 million copies within 6 months. Name a PC exclusive that could begin to hope to compete.
A game doesn´t need to be popular to be good man. Stop looking at sales as if they where some measure to a game´s quality.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
Its a shitty port of a 3 yo game that isn't even all that good, did you think this should've sold insta 3M or something?
With that said, heres how other ports of console games released months after the console launch did VVV

Monster Hunter world -> 4.5 million copies. It was among the most played games on steam
Dark Souls -> Over 2 million copies.
Nioh -> Over a million copies. One third of total sales.
Death Stranding -> Over 700 thousand copies on the first week just on steam alone. Its probably more than a million by now.
Persona 4 -> Over 500 thousand in a month, huge success according to Atlus. This is a niche ps2 game.
Still only 1 with numbers worth while to Sony. A million copies is peanuts and not worth losing millions of console sales. If horizon can't crank a 500k in 6 weeks lol. Make all the excuses you want .less than 5% of users willing to pay for a top 5 game of the generation by many. Want exclusives prove it spend the money. As they say put your money where your mouth is. Sony gave you guys a shot and well lol.

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Brofist

Member
Still only 1 with numbers worth while to Sony. A million copies is peanuts and not worth losing millions of console sales. If horizon can't crank a 500k in 6 weeks lol. Make all the excuses you want .less than 5% of users willing to pay for a top 5 game of the generation by many. Want exclusives prove it spend the money. As they say put your money where your mouth is. Sony gave you guys a shot and well lol.

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How are the games selling peanuts and Sony losing millions of console sales? That makes no sense.

They released an old and shoddy product. You don't think that has any bearing on sales? I know plenty of people that were ready to double dip but changed mind because of reviews.
 
Still only 1 with numbers worth while to Sony. A million copies is peanuts and not worth losing millions of console sales. If horizon can't crank a 500k in 6 weeks lol. Make all the excuses you want .less than 5% of users willing to pay for a top 5 game of the generation by many. Want exclusives prove it spend the money. As they say put your money where your mouth is. Sony gave you guys a shot and well lol.

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Why would they lose console sales because of more games coming to PC? Please explain that.
 

Dr_Salt

Member
Still only 1 with numbers worth while to Sony. A million copies is peanuts and not worth losing millions of console sales. If horizon can't crank a 500k in 6 weeks lol. Make all the excuses you want .less than 5% of users willing to pay for a top 5 game of the generation by many. Want exclusives prove it spend the money. As they say put your money where your mouth is. Sony gave you guys a shot and well lol.

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Honest question, why are you so preoccupied with Sony sales? Do you have a personal stake on their profits or something?
This is something that always baffles me about you fanboys.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I''m interested in the present day popularity of pc exclusives.

Although PUBG isn't exclusive, if I'm not mistaken the pc version has outsold any switch exclusive.
PC exclusives tend to be niche games, la 4X games and CRPGs.

I guess you could take a look at HL Alyx sales but that game requires a VR set, so dunno.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Why would they lose console sales because of more games coming to PC? Please explain that.
Because people would move to PC. We see it in every xbox thread I'll skip it play on PC. It is simple no exclusives is millions less console sold.

Honest question, why are you so preoccupied with Sony sales? Do you have a personal stake on their profits or something?
This is something that always baffles me about you fanboys.
Thank you now I know I'm doing a great job being neutral being called fan of both consoles. My interest is Sony is the last healthy console ecosystem left. If they go down the tubes it could be post atari crash for console gamers. No the switch is a mobile device. The console market is in a bad spot inches from a Sony monopoly but if Sony goes down the tubes lights out for us non PC gamers.
 
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GhostOfTsu

Banned
It makes sense though, there are hardly any games on PC with high production values made especially for the platform. All they play is either shit like CS:Go or console ports with higher res and framerate, if they are crazy enough to pay for the hardware. There's nothing out there that has a 1080ti as a baseline, so of course they will beg for console ports, otherwise it's indie shit that runs on a toaster.

The scalping in here. WHEW. This is the 100% truth. They just can't admit it. That's why I stopped bothering with my PC.

I guess they have that google maps simulator now but that's it.
 
Because people would more to PC. We see it in every xbox thread I'll skip it play on PC. It is simple no exclusives is millions less console sold.
What would that matter though, to YOU? You'd still buy one, yeah? You'd still buy the games too, right? Hardware isn't that profitable compared to services and micronations.
 

Dr_Salt

Member
Thank you now I know I'm doing a great job being neutral being called fan of both consoles. My interest is Sony is the last healthy console ecosystem left. If they go down the tubes it could be post atari crash for console gamers. No the switch is a mobile device. The console market is in a bad spot inches from a Sony monopoly but if Sony goes down the tubes lights out for us non PC gamers.

So the console market is now in a bad spot, now truly I have heard it all.
 

theclaw135

Banned
The scalping in here. WHEW. This is the 100% truth. They just can't admit it. That's why I stopped bothering with my PC.

I guess they have that google maps simulator now but that's it.

Word. Why should I care about more powerful hardware without content? It's equally objectively true that few to no AAA studios build games from the ground up specifically targeting the PC. Almost every PC title makes concessions to its interface, mechanics, or graphics to allow for a potential future console port.
 
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CitizenX

Banned
Besides... where are the super popular PC games anymore?
Animal Crossing New Horizons has rocketed past 20 million copies within 6 months. Name a PC exclusive that could begin to hope to compete.

PUBG sold 50 million on Steam alone before hitting console. Dayz never hit console sold over 30-40 million. Among Us is a $5 game that has probably sold 5 million in the last couple of weeks. no matter what you think or use as a barometer, everything, all trends start at the PC. You are quoting the same old same old.
 

magnumpy

Member
240 - 360 FPS is for competitive gaming and low-budget Indies.

120 - 144fps is more than enough and actually realistic for AAA games. Look how difficult it is to get 120fps on something like BF5 at 1440p and above. Most people can't tell the difference above 120fps anyway.

the obvious rebuttal comparison would be real life which features uncapped unlimited fps and free 3d audio and free stereo 3d imagery!

obviously these are just understandable limitations of technology, but it shows the extreme length which we still have to go :(
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
So the console market is now in a bad spot, now truly I have heard it all.
Went from 3 to 2 players and Microsoft will leave if they fail again. The home console market lost around 100 million devices from last generation to this. The average age of console gamers goes up as younger people take up mobile. Just because Sony did well does not mean it is a healthy market. Only Sony did well that is the problem. If Sony was growing the market like the ps2 days you could argue that but they are not. They just took Microsoft's share.
 

Dr_Salt

Member
Went from 3 to 2 players and Microsoft will leave if they fail again. The home console market lost around 100 million devices from last generation to this. The average age of console gamers goes up as younger people take up mobile. Just because Sony did well does not mean it is a healthy market. Only Sony did well that is the problem. If Sony was growing the market like the ps2 days you could argue that but they are not. They just took Microsoft's share.

So are you saying mobile is going to replace console gaming? Lmao, is this what the narrative is in 2020? I must have been living under a rock. I love how we went from PC gaming is dying to now console gaming is dying. But you keep fighting the good fight my man, you have conviction.
 

Alphagear

Member
Went from 3 to 2 players and Microsoft will leave if they fail again. The home console market lost around 100 million devices from last generation to this. The average age of console gamers goes up as younger people take up mobile. Just because Sony did well does not mean it is a healthy market. Only Sony did well that is the problem. If Sony was growing the market like the ps2 days you could argue that but they are not. They just took Microsoft's share.

Mobile gaming to replace consoles?

Give it a rest. Been hearing this for years.

Not sure what 100 million you are refering to.

Last Gen

WII - 100 Million
PS3 - 87 million
X360 - 86 Million


This Gen

PS4 - 120 million
Switch - 65 million
XBOX One - 50 million

Theres not much of a difference considering this has been a shorter generation and the Switch is still going strong.

Give it a couple of years and im sure the figures will be the same from last gen.
 
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theclaw135

Banned
Mobile gaming to replace consoles?

Give it a rest. Been hearing this for years.

Assimilation, not replacement. The more processing power phones have, the more console-like their games can become.
It's not difficult to slap a micro-HDMI connector onto a phone and permit bluetooth controllers.
 

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Jokes, but kinda sums up how some people are...
 
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Guilty_AI

Member
I''m interested in the present day popularity of pc exclusives.

Although PUBG isn't exclusive, if I'm not mistaken the pc version has outsold any switch exclusive.
Eh, first of all, the term "exclusive" is worthless to PC gaming. Its better to take games that started on PC, aka were developed targeting it, that might've or might've not gotten console ports. Then there are also games that are supported years throughout so you cannot establish a rule like "only games released after 2013" when we have 2012, or even 2004 games that get huge expansions and updates to this day. What that means is that, unlike consoles, long term sales mean much more. A huge part of the sales on a lot of pc games don't necessarely happen upon release.
Then there's also the free-to-play market which is basically a market of its own so i'm not gonna consider it.

Anyway, you want numbers, so here are some popular games on Steam. I'm following the rules i established previously so these might or might not be "pc exclusives":
Terraria - 14 million copies, double the amount on all consoles.
Arma 3 - 5.5 million copies
Civilization 6 - 8 million copies.
Euro Truck Simulator 2 - over 5 million copies
Risk of Rain 2 - Over 5 million
Stardew valley - Over 5 million
Bannerlord 2 - Over 5 million

Some more titles that all sold over 2 million:
Factorio
Divinity Original sin 2
Rimworld
Age of empires 2: Definitive edition
Hollow Knight
Deep rock Galactic
Subnautica
Warhammer: Vermintide 2
Mordhau
 
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Psajdak

Banned
Sony has great, amazing games, no one denies that.

Problem is only that their hardware is horse shit which can't run properly those games.
 

Alphagear

Member
Assimilation, not replacement. The more processing power phones have, the more console-like their games can become.
It's not difficult to slap a micro-HDMI connector onto a phone and permit bluetooth controllers.

Handheld consoles couldn't do it.

Neither will mobile phones.

Been hearing this for over a decade.

Not gonna happen.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
Mobile gaming to replace consoles?

Give it a rest. Been hearing this for years.
Well the switch has siphoned off how many 10s of million of gamers already. There will still be PC gaming but to put your head in the sand over the current trend is not going to make it go away. Sony or Microsoft need to find a way to grow the market. That is why Microsoft's desperate attempts right now with the series s and gamepass. It is not to take ps4 customers so much but to bring new gamers in.

A valid point. Explosive front loaded sales just aren't the business model of pc games.
Well yeah they sell when they are pennies on the dollar hence not worth Sony's time. As I said PC gamers like to buy hardware but cheap buying games.
 

junguler

Banned
i'm a pc gamer and i think the games we have are sufficient enough for me. sure, more games is always better but i won't demand anything, their sale numbers should be evidence enough if it's worth it to bring more games or not.
 

Alphagear

Member
Any below 60fps garbage.

Completely fine to me and I play on PC too.

If you want to play a game desperately then buy the platform.

Sony has hardware to sell. Throwing all their games to PC will kill their hardware sales.
 
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PCGamer and PCMR are just the worst. You're not entitled to play every single game, don't expect many more first party PC ports with PS5 coming out.

They come to your platform? Fine, but don't rub it in anyone's faces simply because Sony *chose* to allow more people to play them. Be thankful for the Decima games.
 
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Well Duh.

Sony is in the market to sell Hardware.

Please don't tell me you're another from the PCMR.

Everything seems to revolve around you guys.
Services and MTX are more profitable. They could charge a service as well as sell games to PC and console at the same time. Plus you are assuming everyone would jump ship if they continue releasing their lineup on PC.
 
I think PCMR wanted the game on PC because of FPS, right? Nah, the old eyes of mine can’t really tell the difference after 60fps. I have a 144hz monitor and saw the game running 120+ already before someone says “can’t go back to 60 after experiencing 120”. I can easily go back to 60 and enjoy.

nextgen games seem all having 60fps mode. i’m cool with it.
 

Alphagear

Member
Services and MTX are more profitable. They could charge a service as well as sell games to PC and console at the same time. Plus you are assuming everyone would jump ship if they continue releasing their lineup on PC.

It is not an assumption but a reality.

When Demon souls remake was initially shown as coming to PC everyone here was quick to jump ship and say we don't need to buy a PS5 now.

Truth is they were never gonna buy it for PC. The PCMR simply wants these games on PC to soothe their inflated egos after spending 1000s of dollars on a rig.

If these guys really wanted to play Sony games they would buy a Sony console.

500 dollars isn't much. Same price as a GPU.
 
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It is not an assumption but a reality.

When Demon souls remake was initially shown as coming to PC everyone here was quick to jump ship and say we don't need to buy a PS5 now.

If you guys really want to play Sony games then buy a Sony console.

500 dollars isn't much. Same price as a GPU.
So an enthusiast forum dictates what the rest of the world's population thinks and perceives? Do you think people want to spend 570 bucks for something that will end up on PC, and run better?
 

Alphagear

Member
So an enthusiast forum dictates what the rest of the world's population thinks and perceives? Do you think people want to spend 570 bucks for something that will end up on PC, and run better?
That's exactly my point. Sony should not release these games if they know what's good for them.

At best you will get these games several years later.

About costs, I would rather pay 570 dollars to play a game over 1500 to play it.
 

Alphagear

Member
There's a lot of games for PC that's not available on consoles, yet you don't here PS gamers beg for a port. If you want to play PC games, get a PC. If you want to play PS5 games, get a PS5. This port begging is cringy.

It's all to soothe their egos. They will probably not even buy the game if released and will most likely pirate them considering Sony games are mostly single player.

Just look at Horizon sales.
 
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This kind of crap is why I will never be a PC gamer. Waiting years or a game that may or may not come to the platform.

I'll just stick with PS5 where I basically get everything day and date.
 

theclaw135

Banned
PCGamer and PCMR are just the worst. You're not entitled to play every single game, don't expect many more first party PC ports with PS5 coming out.

They come to your platform? Fine, but don't rub it in anyone's faces simply because Sony *chose* to allow more people to play them. Be thankful for the Decima games.

Port begging is killing PC gaming. PC gamers should be encouraging developers to create games whose production values UNQUESTIONABLY justify a rig costing thousands of dollars.
 
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