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--PS5 reportedly struggling with Resident Evil 8: can barely run it at 1080p/60
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Dr Bass
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Off top but has anybody noticed the graphics in RE8 look noticabely worse than RE7 or RE3 Remake
New engine or what
Dunno, but I didn't realize Mark Hamill had a role in this one.
On paper, still looks like MS built more powerful console. There's no doubt Series X will be a beast. Though It'd be interesting to see at what price point. The thing is, we have already seen games running on the PS5 dev-kit, but as far as I am concerned nothing run on Xbox SX. There's just nothing there right now to really compare the two. I guess we won't know until first batch of multiplatforms comes out. To think that Sony built an esoteric architecture, that is hard to develop for, is just not realistic. Surely, one of very important design goals would have to have been performing well with 3rd party multiplatform games. PS5 struggling to hit 60fps @10 1080p has nothing to do with the Ps5 hardware, all has all to do with an incorrect information or information taken out of the context.
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martino
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Imo this seems more to be a Player model vs random npc attention put into detail default .Off top but has anybody noticed the graphics in RE8 look noticabely worse than RE7 or RE3 Remake
New engine or what
Calverz
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Read it again. It wasnt the only dev he has talked to.
Some are so blind to the truth its hillarious. Maybe the power of teh ssd will make up the deficit?
Jason28
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Some people just don't get it. Xbox Series X is more powerful than PS5. This is true, nobody is denying this. BUT, the devil is in small details. The difference between these console is very very small (16-18%), that's the smallest difference ever between competitors, and that's just raw specs on paper. Real-life difference in games is supposed to be even smaller (the versions might be almost identical). That's what trustful insiders like Mat, Jason told us all along.
Spreading FUD bulshit like Dusk Gulem (that Series X is MUCH MORE superior than PS5, 12 vs 9) is wrong, and those poeple deserve to eat shit for that.
Spreading FUD bulshit like Dusk Gulem (that Series X is MUCH MORE superior than PS5, 12 vs 9) is wrong, and those poeple deserve to eat shit for that.
Physiognomonics
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Gameplay vs promotional shots.Off top but has anybody noticed the graphics in RE8 look noticabely worse than RE7 or RE3 Remake
New engine or what
Mister Wolf
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Off top but has anybody noticed the graphics in RE8 look noticabely worse than RE7 or RE3 Remake
New engine or what
Unfinished game that they were forced to run on a dev kit struggling to handle it.
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More than a difference in power (which I think exists) this seems to suggest an easier development on Series X, at least for this game and its engine. What Dusk Golem says is believable, the trailer during the PS5 event was atrocious, frame rate all over the place, and some parts even had rough textures like the start in the woods.
Applebuttum
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So what’s the series s going to run it at .. 480p?
yea, the whole post reeks of bullshit, I mean he started it of by saying the series x was going to be cheaper than the ps5 because of game pass Profits.
yea, the whole post reeks of bullshit, I mean he started it of by saying the series x was going to be cheaper than the ps5 because of game pass Profits.
TheRaidenPT
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I could see this happening on the previous gen console, but on PS5? sounds fishy.
kruis
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It would be logical to assume the PS5 is extremely easy to get to grips with for any developer who has already worked on the PS4. The PS5 s a direct continuation of the PS4 and PS4 Pro, so compiling PS4 code to run on the PS5 should be extremely simple. Developers will need to learn about the new features (3D sound, new controller functionality), 3D engine creators will have to add support for raytracing and such, but it should be possible to ignore all of that if your game doesn't need all of that.
SplunkyMunkey
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Who gives a crap on all this sony is smart and there R&D team is better then Microsoft put this to bed and let the games amd multiplatform games do the talking ahen they release. So mods can lock this stupid thread. For any1 sake it could be the new Lockhart since its only 4tf
archangelmorph
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Runs bad @ 1080p????
Bunk rumour or an exceptionally poorly optimised build.
I'm leaning towards the former.
Bunk rumour or an exceptionally poorly optimised build.
I'm leaning towards the former.
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thelastword
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Apparently XBOX Series S has no issue. It will probably run this 1620p at 60fps in sleepmode, whilst PS5 struggles with 1080p.And xbox series s does not have problems?
Besides that console which Sony developed a killer for is already dead and defunct.....So straight fudding with that rumor...
Infinite is a launch game from an MS first party studio. RE 8 is not, it's from a third party studio and it's not releasing this year or early next year, it's probably a year away at the very least......RE8 just recently transitioned from a cross-gen release to a bit more focus on the next gen machines with heightened ambitions, so the developers are putting the hardware through it's paces......
The funny thing is, people are too gullible. Isn't it curious that you have seen no game running on Series X hardware yet, but according to Golem RE8 and other games are all running at 4K 60FPS on Series X whilst PS5 struggles? That makes no sense and is so far removed from what we've heard from other devs. That's literally setting yourself up for a fall by overhyping the Series X again, just like people overhyped MS Studios, Halo Infinite and MS's readiness for next gen before their last few showcases.
They overhyped Raytracing on Series X, but where is it? Not a single game shown with RT.......Yet PS5 is the only console which has shown pretty much all of it's games using RT. Aren't you curious that RE8 was shown on a PS5 and not a Series X, we have seen nothing on Series X even this late, if it was so good, MS would be flailing that flawless performance all in your face.....So yes, what we saw was RE8 running at 4K native and variable framerate on PS5, not 1080p, but we have not seen a blip of RE8 on Series X, if they ever showed it, it would have been on PC like they did their entire show on the 23rd. That should be clue enough. RE is running so great, everything is running so great on Series X, Series X is an RT beast at 25TF, but where are the receipts......?
Dodkrake
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Games are "moving to streaming" eh.....well that's so interesting.
But I do stand corrected on the TF. Sorry, The PS5 is indeed a 10.2 TF machine that can't hit native 4K at 30fps. Which is still not surprising because the GPU is too weak for native 4K.
I do wonder why Sony cheaped out on the GPU. I mean they've been dominant this gen. The PS4 sold at a profit very soon after launch. Surely they can afford to give their dedicated fans something that actually hits a next gen display standard, especially when the platform performance standard is a meager 30fps.
GT7 - Native 4k at 60fps with ray tracing
Ratchet and Clank - native 4k at 30fps with Ray Tracing
Your FUD game is weak, go back to discord and get better arguments.
Darlingcognito
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Is it too late to buy exclusitivity?
LeftThumbstick
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Laughs at you in Flight Simulator 2020. Microsoft already have the “next gen” crown and it will launch on the 18th of this month.
Shmunter
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Not sure where you sourced cache scrubber info. Latency and stalling? Nope
The scrubbers are designed by Sony in anticipation of ram being altered frequently by loading from ssd. They prevent needles cache deletion when addressed ram is altered, I.e not throwing out the baby with the bath water, only underlying changes not already cached will be required to refresh cache. These required changes are informed by the i/o operation from ssd.
Needless cache refresh means more I/o between GPU and ram slowing down the effectiveness of the GPU.
It’s an efficiency gain, how much so in the real world remains to be seen.
Codswallop_
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Well that doesn't sound good.
Handy Fake
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To be honest it's a whole lot of hullabaloo about nothing.
Either the dev hasn't explained himself properly or Golum has explained it badly. He did seem to embellish it all a little as evidenced by his backtracking but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
It just seems to me, when the whole thing is boiled down to its bare bones, that when they ported the game to Xbox it ran fine with little modification, but when they did the same to PS5 it was struggling with the code. Which is understandable when you first move code over and haven't set about optimising it for a new system.
The Xbox architecture is probably more suited to the code as it was originally written is all. The PS5 with its different API and chipset more than likely just needs some code changing to get working efficiently.
In a nutshell, kind of what you'd expect.
Nothing to do with power or wotnot, just different systems.
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SaucyJack
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MS and Sony fanboys are both gonna have fun damage controlling aren't they?
Funny how I'm sure there would be an opposite reaction from both camps if it were the other console..
Sony fans really don’t have anything to damage control at this point. We’ve seen games running on PS5 and so far so good. And we know there’s more to come. Most games shown don’t look too far of and we apparently have a ton of moneyhatting coming.
Xbox have their “most powerful console” but we haven’t seen a thing running on it. The most promising games still look a couple of years off and Halo looks like crap. But, hey, we have Gamepass.
Ascend
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I don't have to have any more experience with developing or designing these consoles to know how they generally work, any more than I need to have experience building a Lamborghini to know how engines, gasoline, breaks, wipers, radiators and so on work. Maybe you should try understanding things for once, rather than being dismissive of facts that hurt your feelings.
By someone with apparently a good track record.
And what do you think the result of that is? Right. Lower latency, because rather than flushing the whole RAM, you adapt what needs to be changed. It is more efficient because it reduces latency and stalls. But thanks for unintentionally agreeing.
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Paracelsus
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Matt weighs in on PS5 I/O, PS5 vs XSX and what it means for PC.
I know some people dismiss Matt for being in Resetera but since he is a vetted third party developer there and here in Neogaf, in the past, I figure his opinions should at least be worth discussing. Similarly here and in era, there is a thread about the EPIC interview about them rewriting parts...
SaucyJack
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Matt weighs in on PS5 I/O, PS5 vs XSX and what it means for PC.
I know some people dismiss Matt for being in Resetera but since he is a vetted third party developer there and here in Neogaf, in the past, I figure his opinions should at least be worth discussing. Similarly here and in era, there is a thread about the EPIC interview about them rewriting parts...www.neogaf.com
was there a point there, somewhere?
Whitecrow
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DForce
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Aggelos
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Off top but has anybody noticed the graphics in RE8 look noticeably worse than RE7 or RE3 Remake
New engine or what
Same Engine
RE Engine
The RE Engine is a gaming engine developed by Capcom. Initially built for Resident Evil 7: Biohazard, it has since appeared in several Capcom games, mainly those within the Resident Evil franchise. The "RE" is the first two letters of the engine's full name, "Reach for the moon", which the logo...
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Deep Down I believe that Capcom is going to find ways to pull it off by 2021. Deep Down I hope they will optimize it appropriately for PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Hostile_18
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If it's true its probably something to do with PSVR. You'd think VR would need considerations around it if its mode is exactly the same as the single player experience, like Resident Evil 7.
Ascend
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You didn't say ANYTHING that was relevant to what I said. But... If this is what you need to believe to sleep at night, go ahead.Looks like your argument just got shut down and you don't have anything else to say.
Shmunter
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You bypassed any details of how cache scrubbers play a part in the system efficiency and just said cache = efficiency. You may as well just have have said scrubbers = good. The scrubbers are intrinsically linked to the PS5 I/o.
Roman Empire
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Just launch the damn consoles and we can test for ourselves, right?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Because you started telling me things that had nothing to do with my post. You simply weren't paying attention.
Oddvintagechap
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Damn im about to downgrade from the PS4 Pro to the PS4. PS5 cant handle too much evil.
alabtrosMyster
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It's the variable clocks, they go close to zero all the time!
This is suspicious.
Well, there is not much to "defend" as you say, there is a port that runs pretty well on the ps4 (base and pro) and now it looks like it's running worse than on previous gen consoles... we have seen many native ps5 games so far and nothing like this... even if the PS5 is a 9.2TF machine it would still offer 2/3rd the performance of the series x, no way it should run that much worse than on series x (however the sacrifices would start to be visible).
yuck!Off top but has anybody noticed the graphics in RE8 look noticabely worse than RE7 or RE3 Remake
New engine or what
Another Halo Infinite is in the hoven.
This has to be the strangest console generational transition ever.
And that guy looks like Mark Hamill.
IntentionalPun
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Well, first party studio vs third party studio. The first party studios had much more time to make their games ready for something like this show, while third-party studios had ... a vague spec and not that much time. The game is not out yet and it will be month/years until it gets released. The SDK get's better, ...
As the xbox series x/s still uses a Windows underneath and the game is developed on e.g. DirectX 12 which is well known for a while, it would be much easier to port it over to the xbox series x. But that will change over time, when also third party developers hat time to work with the SDK for a while.
Calverz
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Again, read it all. He hs heard from more than one dev that the xsx is significantly more powerful.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I read the part where he implied that.
He then, later.. claimed it was all about one game.
I'd rather have 1080p 60fps with bells and whistles vs 4k 30 with basic physics, AI etc
I mean, that's what loads of people on this forum agreed to, 1080/60 with bells and whistles is better than 4k/30 flat.
Or 1440p 60fps? I would prefer that more than 4k 30fps with lower settings.
Nerd Strangler
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The devil is in the details, but I think people are expecting a 16-18% difference are in for a rude awakening. If the GPU was capable of running a rock solid 2.23ghz like most people here seem to think, Cerny would have said that. The fact that the rosiest language the marketing team could come up with is "we expect the GPU to run at or near those speeds most of the time" most likely means the system will rarely, if ever, be running at that frequency.
Especially because they felt compelled to add in "or near" when describing the GPU. Which they didn't feel compelled to add when describing the CPU. Makes me think those GPU clocks may be a bit of smoke and mirrors and not exactly practical nor achievable under typical circumstances. Time will tell, but the carefully worded marketing speak leads me to believe the real world performance delta is going to be larger than most people are anticipating.
mckmas8808
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We haven't seen ONE GAME running on the Series X dev kit yet. So why would you say this?
Ascend
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I quoted a specific sentence of yours, where you were basically said that the SSD difference is more important than the GPU difference. I directly replied saying that a GPU cannot punch above its weight, no matter how fast the SSD. Then you started spouting the same old SSD buzz words that people love to repeat, and they were not relevant at all to what I was saying. When I countered those, you starting with a bunch of appeal to authority and no true Scotsman fallacies to downplay my statements, and then you declare yourself some sort of victor. And now you have the audacity to tell me now that I am telling you things that are not the point of your post? GTFO of here. Ignore list it is.
You decided to jump in the 'discussion' between me and DForce, which would be fine if it was focusing on the original point. Basically the two of us agree on the latter subject, but, for some reason you must make an issue out of it. I am not obligated to supply all details at all times. Especially to the likes of DForce that can't tell the difference between basic hardware components nor any of their function.
I will now be leaving this thread.
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