oldergamer
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I like this idea, it feels like a return to the xbox 360. Back when they were really competitive until Ballmer messed things up.
When microsoft does it you cheer, when does it sony it's bad . What aWhen Sony does it its 'good sound busniess sense'
When Microsoft do it its 'Evil Microsoft destroying gaming'.
Microsoft lied on exclusivity, that's why.Don't tell me everyone forgot about Tomb Raider already.
Honestly the amount of backlash they received from that was pretty insane when they were at least up front about it, meanwhile no one even knows when FF7R will hit Xbox and there doesn't seem to be too much uproar over that.
They know that, but they will twist words to push their narrative that Phil is some sort of pathological liar lolHe's referring to multi-platform games (Destiny) that had exclusive LEVELS AND WEAPONS on the PlayStation that Xbox people didn't have access to.
Moneyhatting pieces of a game that other people don't have access to (Spider-Man in Avengers) is completely bullshit.
Phil finally gained complete access to the MS warchest and is ready to wipe Sony out of existence. Once and for all.
I don't want Sony to do it either. Even time exclusives are stupid.Tell it to sony? Seriously them working with third parties may not be the same as buying exclusivity. They may be paying studios to create something with a franchise they own. Not the same as paying to prevent games appearing on the competition.
Sony's been contracting third party studios to make them games for decades. Big whoop. Just because they are third-party does not inherently mean all their games are multiplatform and doesn't mean that they have consistent funding to make a game. Developers shop games around all the time or get contracted all the time by publishers.This generation gonna break more many companies and their autonomy then some stupid fanboy, if MS will start this bullshit trend. Prepare yourself.
Microsoft is building a Death Star.
They will be dominating the industry in 2 years.
Lied about what?Microsoft lied on exclusivity, that's why.
Always the same excuse like clockwiseHe's referring to multi-platform games (Destiny) that had exclusive LEVELS AND WEAPONS on the PlayStation that Xbox people didn't have access to.
Moneyhatting pieces of a game that other people don't have access to (Spider-Man in Avengers) is completely bullshit.
Always the same excuse like clockwise
It started before the 360. Sony didn’t learn it, they started it.Don't see the issue with this. Fairly recently it was discovered that Sony invested 300+ million last year for development of 2nd party games. Microsoft replying in kind is awesome and great for competition and content.
As for 3rd party timed exclusives, all they are for is making one platform more enticing than the other and starving the audience on the opposing platform of content as well as having exclusive content for the game. Literally the strategy has been a seesaw. Started with 360, continued with ps4/ps5. Sony learned and i s maintaining the strategy.
Phil Spencer should make a pact with Jim Ryan to both stop doing it.
It started before the 360.
E3 2002: Sony gets Grand Theft Auto exclusive
Sony announces a two-year deal with Take-Two to make Grand Theft Auto III and future installments in the series exclusive to the PlayStation 2.www.gamespot.com
Yeah I know, I just picked the biggest example I could think of.Started before even then when Sony paid for Tomb Raider exclusivity.
I’m ok with that. Just not paying to keep games from other platforms.Rumor has it that this is not a money hat, but rather a new IP / partnership title. We shall see I guess.
Wow, I was unaware it went that far back. We're there more? I didn't know they did it with GTA 3 and Tom Raider. They were really starving n64 and original Xbox despite having such a market strangle hold.It started before the 360. Sony didn’t learn it, they started it.
E3 2002: Sony gets Grand Theft Auto exclusive
Sony announces a two-year deal with Take-Two to make Grand Theft Auto III and future installments in the series exclusive to the PlayStation 2.www.gamespot.com
Did you forget the /sBy the end of this generation Sony will be left with Spider-Man and Final Fantasy, Xbox will be where you want to be if you want top quality gaming.
If I were you I'd bury that Dualshock controller in the back garden and jump into the Xbox ecosystem RIGHT NOW because it is going to be one hell of a ride
I like this idea, it feels like a return to the xbox 360. Back when they were really competitive until Ballmer messed things up.
Phil finally gained complete access to the MS warchest and is ready to wipe Sony out of existence. Once and for all.
Yeah but I don’t think it’s the side you think it is which is why every little throw away comment is made into a thread here. I mean in the real world all the talk you hear is about ps5 this or ps5 that like barely anyone is talking about the series x.This generation is gonna break some people.
Lol man fanboys like you are wild. I bet you think Sony is going to lose this gen and go out of business too huh? Get real and get back at me when Xbox has any of the public’s mindshare and not just hardcore fanboys on a internet message board. Seriously nobody talks about the series x in reality not consumers,actors,radio personalities,sportscasters etc. It’s all about I can’t find a ps5 or I need a ps5 for my kid and just like the sales are showing this early into the gen Sony is going to continue being ahead of MS like they have been every gen since since Xbox entered gaming.No it doesn't.
Microsoft tripled the size of their first party studios over the last 3 years.
That's never happened in the history of console gaming.
Microsoft embraced the PC market by setting the policy of Xbox+PC day and date.
That's literally never happened in the history of console gaming.
Not only does this not happen "at the start of every generation", it's completely unprecedented. The next few years are going to be rough for some of you.
Yes because releasing on Xbox and PC day and date has so much for third-party game sales up to this point.I never understood this.
We've all heard MS fanboys or marketing say "Next year's our year", but we always coupled that with our knowledge of the market and Microsofts investment. Or at least we should have.
Microsoft operated most of last generation with 7 game studios. They also were always primed to lag behind Sony in terms of marketshare.
Now they're operating with 23 studios and they're telling third parties "Sign a deal with us and you can release on PC+console day and date". That's waaaaaay more attractive to third parties than supporting a console that had half the user base of PS4.
No one ever took MS seriously when they were hyping the future of XBox. Now you can't help but take them seriously.
He has been doing that in a number of threads. I explained to him several times to wait and see how this all pans out because the way he's going around is like he's seen the future.Lol man fanboys like you are wild. I bet you think Sony is going to lose this gen and go out of business too huh? Get real and get back at me when Xbox has any of the public’s mindshare and not just hardcore fanboys on a internet message board. Seriously nobody talks about the series x in reality not consumers,actors,radio personalities,sportscasters etc. It’s all about I can’t find a ps5 or I need a ps5 for my kid and just like the sales are showing this early into the gen Sony is going to continue being ahead of MS like they have been every gen since since Xbox entered gaming.
Microsoft is building a Death Star.
They will be dominating the industry in 2 years.
Uptown girl... who's been living in an uptown world..You're an upside down man living in an upside down world.
Phil finally gained complete access to the MS warchest and is ready to wipe Sony out of existence. Once and for all.
Seems to me it’s more like they are reinvesting their monthly income from Gamepass.Phil finally gained complete access to the MS warchest and is ready to wipe Sony out of existence. Once and for all.
It’s a new generation and he believes in them (generations)Meanwhile Jim Ryan does nothing but takes more features away from PS5. Good job
It seems like you're ok with this arrangement for Sony to make 3rd party games exclusive and sounds like you don't have any problem with all the Sony moneyhats? So I'm guessing what's getting you so enraged is the suggestion that Xbox might possibly do some of the same shit Sony does?On PS4? Practically the exclusive deals were based on that. Saving costs in exchange of exclusivity.
I doubt it's that. I don't think Gamepass would be making them any income as of now -- considering MS adds so many games there regularly.Seems to me it’s more like they are reinvesting their monthly income from Gamepass.
They are getting to the point that they don’t have to go out of pocket and can use the monthly revenue to invest in other stuff, while pocketing a small amount risk free.
it’s like Kickstarter on a commercial level.
How much do you think those games cost and what do you suppose thier monthly revenue is from 18mil subscribers?I doubt it's that. I don't think Gamepass would be making them any income as of now -- considering MS adds so many games there regularly.
We'd need hard numbers to say anything for certain. that's why I said 'I doubt it'.How much do you think those games cost and what do you suppose thier monthly revenue is from 18mil subscribers?
Remember when Greenberg said it wasn’t very profitable it was at 10 mil, they have almost doubled that, back then not very profitable meant they made some money.
What do you suppose they make now? Or is it still “not very profitable?”
I'd agree with this, I'm the most optimistic I've been in a long time for the future of Xbox first party but let's not pretend Xbox hasn't struggled to manage their studios in the past and that goes as far back as when Spencer himself was the head of first party studios (so for over a decade now)He has been doing that in a number of threads. I explained to him several times to wait and see how this all pans out because the way he's going around is like he's seen the future.
No one can deny Xbox is investing heavily into 1st party but Investing in studios is one thing. Having them churn out compelling content 'consistently' is another thing.
No, they certainly aren’t. Hopefully all the Sony and MS ones are just timedSo third party exclusives good again?
Let’s say you are right, let’s say they had internal cost expectations and are finding them from their own internal money. Then that frees up even more Gamepass money for 3rd party games.We'd need hard numbers to say anything for certain. that's why I said 'I doubt it'.
Out of 18 million subscribers, I suspect majority wouldn't be paying $15 per month. The quality of games on GP have been increasing consistently. So my assumption is that MS has been funneling the revenue back to GP for increasing the quality of games and overall value to retain and increase subscriber base (which has been working so far, considering the quick jump from 15mil to 18mil subscribers in a short span).
My only doubt is that it is generating enough income (net profit) to funnel that money on external development costs, which can be quite expensive. If anything, MS would use that income (if there is a substantial amount available), to increase GP value further and strike contracts, e.g., to bring Ubisoft games to Gamepass.
Lol man fanboys like you are wild. I bet you think Sony is going to lose this gen and go out of business too huh? Get real and get back at me when Xbox has any of the public’s mindshare and not just hardcore fanboys on a internet message board. Seriously nobody talks about the series x in reality not consumers,actors,radio personalities,sportscasters etc. It’s all about I can’t find a ps5 or I need a ps5 for my kid and just like the sales are showing this early into the gen Sony is going to continue being ahead of MS like they have been every gen since since Xbox entered gaming.
Will it be rough if PS5 has a library of great games like every PS console before it?No it doesn't.
Microsoft tripled the size of their first party studios over the last 3 years.
That's never happened in the history of console gaming.
Microsoft embraced the PC market by setting the policy of Xbox+PC day and date.
That's literally never happened in the history of console gaming.
Not only does this not happen "at the start of every generation", it's completely unprecedented. The next few years are going to be rough for some of you.
This. For some reason we get the same doom and gloom predictions for playstation like they some how won't survive another generation, even though they're the industry leaders in most generations... it's weirdNone of the above is a guarantee for success over their chief competitors.
BOLDED: This is also what all Xbox fans always say at the start of a new generation so LOL for that.
But in all honesty, you guys never learn. Just adopt a 'wait and see' approach. You'll look less like an idiot when things don't pan out how you hoped it would. There really is no need to be prematurely chest thumping all over the forum.
Xbox is making great moves no doubt but I'm sick and tired of the 'wait and see' and that's all we can go on for at the moment. Promise. Just like the start of every other generation