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Woo-Fu
Banned
The economy would be in very bad shape if you think about it. Half the population disappears for 5 years then all of them come back, practically instantly. I probably wouldn't be giving a loan to a fishing boat that hadn't turned a profit in 5 years either. Instead of being surprised they couldn't get a loan I'm surprised there was a bank to get a loan at.
Seems to me like Falcon could easily make a few million simply with endorsement contracts.
Seems to me like Falcon could easily make a few million simply with endorsement contracts.
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longdi
Banned
but for a TV series, the quality looks like a movie.... a MCU movie given that..
sol_bad
Member
I was one of those stupid people.
LOL
I was thinking that the old Japanese guy was someone that Bucky knew during WW2 so the kid connection just flew over my head.
RE the bank scene, you're sitting there assuming it would be easy for them to get money.
I'm sitting her not assuming anything because we don't know anything about the post blip world. All we know so far is "how horrible things were" based on Haywood's account from WandaVision.
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bitbydeath
Member
It could still get interesting, I’m thinking this show will setup Loki since he is technically dead right now and his show begins in the next few months.
ManaByte
Member
Feige already confirmed (at SDCC 2019) that the Loki in the series is the 2012 Loki from Endgame:
Jaysen
Banned
True. If I reviewed Wanda after one episode, I probably never would have stuck around.
ManaByte
Member
If you think that's unbelievable, let me tell you about the giant purple alien with a rhinestone glove who snapped half of the universe out of existence.
VAL0R
Banned
Huge eyeroll that a massively beloved world-saving international celebrity Avenger can't afford to keep the crappy family fishing boat afloat. Hollywood can't let go of the "black man can't get ahead" narrative. What a joke. I can think of 10 ways he could make tens of millions in a year without breaking a sweat.
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Fbh
Member
It was ok.
Feels way more like generic marvel compared to Wandavision, though I guess that was to be expected.
The opening scene was nice. It's not quite movie tier but it's still pretty crazy how good some of these setpiece moments are starting to look in TV shows.
The rest was mostly setup but it seems like it could be fun.
And yeah, Falcon being broke seems kinda silly. Even if he is too proud to take money from his billionaire acquaintances, you'd think the job you see him do in the intro pays well. Or hell, ring RedBull and get yourself a nice marketing deal.
Feels way more like generic marvel compared to Wandavision, though I guess that was to be expected.
The opening scene was nice. It's not quite movie tier but it's still pretty crazy how good some of these setpiece moments are starting to look in TV shows.
The rest was mostly setup but it seems like it could be fun.
And yeah, Falcon being broke seems kinda silly. Even if he is too proud to take money from his billionaire acquaintances, you'd think the job you see him do in the intro pays well. Or hell, ring RedBull and get yourself a nice marketing deal.
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sol_bad
Member
Why are you even assuming it has anything to do with skin colour .........
The entire world was in chaos for 5+ years. With blipping billions of people away there was probably a major depression in the majority of countries. Then billions of people all of a sudden return, that's cause for more chaos.
Sp3eD
0G M3mbeR
this was actually my favorite thing this episode dove into was offering the viewer to contemplate what the world would look like outside the action / fight scenes in a normal life scenario. Towards the beginning talking about the Flagsmashers group saying they wanted a no borders society back, what would people feel after a major world event like that? Would terrorism / hate go way down as people everywhere sympathize with having a similar plight. Maybe everybody coming together like I would hope would actually happen in reality if something world shattering ever did happen to all of us.
Also as you said, what would the world economy be like? For 5 years half your labor force (and not to mention consumer base) goes away, the jobs they were doing still have to be done (just in a smaller scale now due to demand). After everybody came back, I don’t think many of the returning people could just jump back into their jobs as businesses needed to move on and find a new job force to survive. The average worker lives close to paycheck to paycheck so a vast majority of people would be fucked in that case coming back to a situation like that.
In the end this is just stupid hypothetical spitballing on dumb things not meant to be investigated that much and while I highly doubt this show is going to go much more into it, the TLDR of this is I appreciate they gave me some context to think about this fantasy setting in reality.
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sol_bad
Member
Regarding the bank situation, Sam has been back for about 6 months? Depending on the amount that is wanted for the loan, a bank won't look very favourably upon only 6 months of employment (especially if it's a job where you might die the next day). They generally want at least 12 months minimum for a stable full time job, at least in my country they do.
And I agree, I'm amazed this topic even came up for some people. It's not meant to be a talking point, just a small glimpse at every day life.
Davey Cakes
Member
They gave us a good action set piece, a Winter Soldier flashback, and some character stuff. I’m content.
As much as I liked Bucky in the movies, he came off as a bit hollow, which is fair since he’s been a drone for the majority of his life. This series is already addressing that, and I appreciate it.
People bagged on WandaVision for being too slow but in retrospect, that show was best when it was building the world and focusing on Wanda’s character. I wish people would realize that the entire point of the TV show format is to let things breathe so we’re not just stuck with a style over substance action romp.
As much as I liked Bucky in the movies, he came off as a bit hollow, which is fair since he’s been a drone for the majority of his life. This series is already addressing that, and I appreciate it.
People bagged on WandaVision for being too slow but in retrospect, that show was best when it was building the world and focusing on Wanda’s character. I wish people would realize that the entire point of the TV show format is to let things breathe so we’re not just stuck with a style over substance action romp.
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well I can say that I was able to get into this unlike wanda. Dropped wanda halfway throught the first episode and have since lost interest in going back. I was hoping for more of an action pack series and although the first episode kept me I'm kinda of just feeling this is merely okay.
Filth
Member
thank youuuu, Im not the only one that thinks his face looks weird as fuck. Maybe he didnt get the serum yet and hes gonna fiill in a little better? He just looks very off lol
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Shield stopped bankrolling them, blip threw things into chaos, then Tony Stark stopped bankrolling them. Who's left to pay the bills?
bitbydeath
Member
I don’t buy it.
Let’s say before the blip they only had between 1-10million in the bank. If they went broke over the five year period then people earning far less would never pay off their accumulated debt and suicides would be through the roof.
I think it was just poorly thought through.
sol_bad
Member
Poorly thought through? You're pulling random numbers out of the sky.
I don't think SHIELD ever bank rolled the Avengers, they only paid Steve, Natasha and Clint because they are members of SHIELD. Then the government body was dismantled in 2014, by 2015 Stark was actually funding the Avengers team.
We literally know nothing about the blip world and how everything was impacted. Maybe suicide rate is through the roof. The people that we have seen or heard about during the blip come across as pretty miserable. We also don't know anything about the Avengers financials, Starks empire could have crashed and burned for all we know. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn more details about the blip throughout this show, I think people should stop complaining about this element until we are presented the full story.
bitbydeath
Member
Nah, Pepper is running the Stark Empire, they just gave away 500K in Spider-Man Far From Home which is set after End Game and Sam is still connected otherwise he wouldn’t have the suit.
sol_bad
Member
Falcon and the Winter Soldier takes place 6 months after the blip, Far From Home is 8 months after the blip. Something might have changed in that time frame.
And of course Sam still has the suit, he blipped back with it on and he has no reason to give it away.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
I'm worried they are trying too hard to make him unlikeable. Poor guy looks like a total goon.
Apparently this is a "down 'n' dirty" Cap. Maybe if they make him badass and charismatic at the same time, we'll like him too much. They need to at least do something with the ears on that helmet.
Toons
Member
This character is known for being unlikeable in the comics but hes still a "good guy". So he's definitely going to be a douchebag in this series
Toons
Member
His credit score was redcued by half
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sol_bad
Member
Who says he is a super hero in the post blip world?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The bank manager?
DelireMan7
Member
Funny discussion here xD
I am not gonna lie, I was surprised about all the "loan/money to fix a boat situation" but I can get over it. I don't need a TV show to be realistic so I don't care if "he should/shouldn't have some money because he's an Avengers or whatever world economic situation". It's a superhero show, it don't need to respect real world rules (actually I don't think any show/movie should be 100% "realistic").
Anyway ! I really liked it. Looks like it takes time to set up everything which is something I really appreciate.
I like Sam's dilemma with the shield.
I am really happy on how they deal with Bucky. I find really interesting how he has to deal with guilt due to his brainwashed assassin past.
Looking forward for the rest !
I am not gonna lie, I was surprised about all the "loan/money to fix a boat situation" but I can get over it. I don't need a TV show to be realistic so I don't care if "he should/shouldn't have some money because he's an Avengers or whatever world economic situation". It's a superhero show, it don't need to respect real world rules (actually I don't think any show/movie should be 100% "realistic").
Anyway ! I really liked it. Looks like it takes time to set up everything which is something I really appreciate.
I like Sam's dilemma with the shield.
I am really happy on how they deal with Bucky. I find really interesting how he has to deal with guilt due to his brainwashed assassin past.
Looking forward for the rest !
sol_bad
Member
He knows him as Falcon, doesn't mean he is still a "super hero". Sam seems to be working for the military.
AJUMP23
Member
Plenty of evidence he is a super hero, he also was the key note speaker at a Captain America dedication. Widely known individual, people want selfies. And for military people there are special loans and programs as well.
ManaByte
Member
The bank guy said the loan rules tightened after 3 billion people suddenly reappeared.
sol_bad
Member
People still want photos of celebrities even if they haven't played sport for 20 years or been in a movie for 20 years.
And how does Sam being at Captain America's dedication make him a super hero? He is just a friend of Steve's giving a speech. I mean, the entire point of that scene is Sam rejecting the shield and rejecting being a hero, he even says they need new heroes.
Woo-Fu
Banned
For the same reasons Falcon's sister does. You look kind of ridiculous trying to pretend that an element baked into the script itself is only in a viewer's head.
bitbydeath
Member
Of course he is, the opening scene showed that.
sol_bad
Member
He is doing a mission for the army/air force, he works for the army/air force. Sam's suit was developed by the army/air force. Sam tells the guy at the bank that he has military contracts, he's a soldier, not a super hero.
Where in the episode is race even mentioned in regards to the bank? Sam's sister says after the bank "You didn't see what mummy and daddy had to deal with" but that could mean anything. Thousands of people, including white folk, are most likely having trouble getting loans after the blip. It's even mentioned in the episode that the banks only care about big businesses right now.
bitbydeath
Member
How many other soldiers has superhero suits that allow them to fly?
sol_bad
Member
We know of at least one other, Sam's wing man that died.
bitbydeath
Member
So that’s zero others.
He is the sole member of an special forces group where only he gets to use his superhero abilities.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Good so far. Very clever to keep it so close after Wanda to keep subscriptions.
ManaByte
Member
The goal for any streaming service is to have a continual stream of new content. Right when one show ends, another begins. That's why there are so many Marvel and Star Wars shows in the works and why HBO is doing one big theatrical movie a month right after each other.
bitbydeath
Member
Here’s an article that deep dives into the BS bank scene.
Some funny quotes:
Some funny quotes: