StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I think BC has various modes including one called Legacy which is simply that. It runs but no boosts or adjustments.
Probably depends on the game and studio.
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Spider-Man remaster won't be free even if you own Spider-Man PS4
Probably depends on the game and studio.
The hits keep coming.
cireza
Member
Wasn't it you who was arguing that upgrades would be free ? What a disappointment.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
I guess I am missing information. I wouldn’t expect to get a free update when they remaster a game or package and Ultimate Edition/Game of the Year edition.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For sure.
If I was in charge of Sony, I'd probably do the same. LoU Remaster sold something like 9 million copies. And when it came out, PS4 only had maybe 10 million consoles at the time as the remaster launched in summer of 2014. Over time, it sold as many copies as the original game on PS3 which had around 85 million consoles!
Charge money for the gamers with loose pockets. Give away enhancement for free when sales thins out.
MasterCornholio
Member
They still are for other games. Maybe you should do some research?
In a way we were both wrong. I'm still waiting to see if Sony charges for patches to games like Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2.
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Guilty_AI
Member
I remember getting 2 free remasters on steam already. Will get a third one with The Witcher 3
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Shit i didnt know steam was on consoles, link go download?
namekuseijin
Banned
pc master race
Guilty_AI
Member
Isn't that the whole point of smart delivery?
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
But that time was two different architectures, now the publisher can do with just a little work. It's cheap from Sony, and other publishers confirm this, like CDPR
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
Buy it once and which ever system you run it on, it picks the right files to use.
Endless Fluff
Banned
Only morons would pay for a remaster for a system that has full BC because the architecture is the same.
Do you really believe they worked on Spider-Man 2018? They were working on Miles Morales, they created the new assets and improvements for that (at first PS5 exclusive) add-on, not for Spider-Man 2018. They simply added the improvements to the old game and are now asking for money again.
Imagine people having to pay for the hundreds of games that received their Pro/X Enhanced patches, this here is the same principle. It's an upgrade to an existing game and is perfectly playable on the next system, they didn't have to port the game.
It's an embarrassment for a 1st party studio.
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Guilty_AI
Member
You never said anything about consoles mate. Also, check this out, and don't forget smart delivery
Arachnid
Member
It should be free to people that already own it and all its DLC. It's the same exact game dude. There is no justifying that.
Guilty_AI
Member
kinda actually
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Gamers
"We don't want to spend a lot of money on the PS5!"
SONY
"We don't want to spend a lot of money on the PS5!"
SONY
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If Spidey is an indicator, for anyone getting a PS5 and anticipating seeing what a LoU2 or Ghosts PS5 boost will be like, you can. Just got to buy the PS5 remaster.
On the plus side Sony prices remasters $10-20 cheaper than the original game.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Why should ANYONE have to buy the same game twice? When they paid fulf price to begin with (even more with the digital delux)? Especially when you are paying a premium for the new hardware?
Shmunter
Member
If these cunts don’t give us 60fps patches for Ghosts and TLOU2, I’m flipping tables.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Not surprised with Jim slimeball Ryan in charge.
cormack12
Gold Member
At the moment, no. Thought I expect given the backlash there will be, but not for some time. They want to sell Miles Morales at the end of the day, and if they can get a bigger return on investment by bundling tbe remaster in thats what they will do. It wont look as good if 8 million people buy a remastered spiderman at $30 and MM is struggling to break 5 million etc. (Example only)
All they have to report is:
MM sold 10 million combined.
whitesugar
Banned
who is forcing these poor people to buy anything twice? and again, this is not the same game, it is remastered with all the DLC. no remaster with all the DLC has ever been free. why should someone who only bought the base PS4 game get a PS5 remaster plus all the DLC plus all these little additions for free?
genesisblock
Member
Jim Ryan bringing back Sony arrogance 2.0. He really needs to go.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Nobody is asking for miles morales to be free. They are asking for a game they already own and paid full price for, to be playable with upgrades on the NEW hardware they just bought.
MS is offering cross buy, cross play, and with “smart delivery”, you automatically get the same game optimized for whatever you are playing on. Not a hard concept. This is total greed and anti consumer bs.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
By the sounds of it, it's totally doable. Doesn't PS5 have different BC modes, which one is boosts? It's not like remastered code even has to necessarily come on a disc or downloaded file if it's not anything like better textures or audio. If the system can do it on it's own, you shouldn't even need any source file.
Xbox One X can boost some old games res and frames and I'm positive there isn't even any data to download. The system can brute force it. I'm assuming Sony's boost code can do the same.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Remaster? It is up rez’d and runs at a higher frame rate courtesy of the hardware itself. And FYI, I bout the digital delux edition so I paid full price for the game and dlc. I’m also buying the 500 dollar plus tax version of that upgraded hardware because they made so few DE models but boldly boast and market the “399” model.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Sad that people are trying to defend this ITT. We see you.
Kagey K
Banned
Witcher 3.
Endless Fluff
Banned
You don't give people the DLC, a simple patch for the base game that adds the next-gen improvements (which they worked on anyways, because of Miles Morales) is all people want.
Just like people wanted and got Pro Enhanced patches for their games.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I would not assume that... see this is the one scenario losing efficiency by giving devs/forcing devs through abstractions helps. You win some, compatibility, you lose in efficiency see PC.
REDRZA MWS
Member
It will be free with MS’s smart delivery. Buy a game once, play on ANY Xbox console or PC, and get the game fully optimized for whichever hardware you play on.
Soin away, but this is bs. Hard pass for me.
Nymphae
Banned
It's nice to want things. It is playable, I have the game on PS4 and if I bought a PS5, I could pop it in and play it. you want upgrades for free? Why?
Aggressive Carrot
Member
Isn't this part of Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition? I thought it was obvious the PS5 Spider-Man upgrade would not be free.
captainraincoat
Banned
Wow and people are defending this shitty practice
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Why would MS give away enhanced copies of Halo 1 and 2 which were on Xbox OG and never BC on 360 or XBox One to begin with?
Googling it, Halo 3 and 5 are enhanced and were free if you had the games standalone.
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MrLove
Banned
fixed
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Says nothing about remasters
yurinka
Member
Bullshit.
In PS5, like in Series X, they will give you for free the PS5 version for PS4 owners of most main crossgen games like Miles Morales, Sackboy, Horizon 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Rainbow Six, Watchdogs Legion, Far Cry 6, Doom Eternal, FIFA, Madden, GTAV, Destiny 2, Avengers, WRC9 and like over a dozen more.
These free upgrades both in Sony and Microsoft now and always (Sony's crossbuy between PS3/PSP/PSVita/PS4, PS1/PS2/PS3/PSV BC or XB/360/XBO BC) have been of the same game. When a game got fully remeastered and bundled with DLC and extra content (like 3 new costumes, new photo mode features, etc) they sold it as a diferent game and never gave it away for free to previous gen users.
In fact, there are even -non remastered- crossgen games that will have a free PS4 to PS5 upgrade while it's going to be paid at XBO to Series X.
Yes, the original PS4 Spiderman will be backwards compatible on PS5 for free with very likely some improvements related of being run in a more powerful machine (shortened loadings, more stable fps, etc) that mostly any other PS4 BC game will experience.
But this doesn't mean they will give away for free the remaster to the owners of the PS4 version of the game.
Look at the PS Blog, they said it has been fully remastered: it features way more changes like more cars and pedestrians, longer drawing distance, skin/hair/eyes/facial gestures for characers, almost no loading times, 60fps, raytracing, better shadows and lighting, full art assets improvements, 3 new costumes, additional photo mode, all 3 DLC bundled, etc.
20 dollar difference for adding the remaster+its 3 DLCs in a bundle with Spiderman Miles Morales.
We don't know if they are going to sell it separatedly, and if it's the case at which price, but I'd say it's very likely.
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SCB3
Member
I mean I don't have a major issue with this for the following reasons:
- You can play the Full Spiderman with DLC via Backwards Compatability (or keep it on a PS4)
- Its an added extra for a separate game, Mile Morales is supposed to be the main game in this package, so Spiderman is supposed to be an extra
- If there is a considerable amount of content added to the original game, new content, costumes, ability to play as Miles in the main game (if only as a Model/voice swap) etc