budgetgamer
Neo Member
I'm expecting something aggresive from Microsoft after the starfield exclusive to Xbox anyway its good for players and an opportunity for both companies to take COD to new heights
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How do you reach that conclusion?
All games for 4 years (when Diablo is already out for this gen) vs. COD for 10 years.
COD for 10 years is far, far, far away the better deal.
Zok310
Banned
Yup, dont know why people are trying to spin this as a gotcha from phil.
Jim knows people wont leave PS for Diablo, Crash and Sypro, so why pay MS a 70% split on those games, games that launch once a generation and only have them for 4 years?
When he can just get cod for 10. Slam dunk for Jim imo, thats what he wanted.
On top of that the contract shows that ms does want to foreclose PlayStation because of all the content they just lost as a trade off to keep cod.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This is my thoughts, too. Sony gets CoD for an extra 7 years. Sony would like make more revenue in 1 year from CoD than any other Activision franchise combined.
It was a no-brainer for Sony and MS too. If Diablo IV was a year out and that became Xbox exclusive that would sting a little for Sony but other than that, there isn't a single Activision franchise that Sony will miss all that much.
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Jim Ryan is the best thing to happen to Sony since the Walkman
Sony 's market value dropped $20 billion in a single day.
The pandemic and its associated lockdowns disrupted the PS5 production; Xbox Series was outselling the PS5, Microsoft bought ZeniMax, ABK and had no intentions of stopping
Time is much more valuable than money. Jim 'bought time' and scored a massive win on multiple fronts
Then
Sony cuts PS5 production again as chip shortages and shipment issues bite (Nov 11, 2021)
Sony loses $20 billion in market value after Microsoft's massive deal to buy Activision Blizzard knocks its shares (Jan 19, 2022)
Nadella: "Microsoft should not need to make any formal concessions to win regulatory approval for the deal (Feb 3, 2022)"
Nadella:"Xbox has taken market share globally for 2 quarters in a row (Apr 26, 2022)"
Nadella:"Xbox has been the “market leader in North America for 3 quarters in a row (Jul 26, 2022)"
Sony calls Microsoft’s 3-year Call of Duty sharing offer “inadequate (Sep 7, 2022)”
Spencer: “Microsoft won't press pause on acquisitions (Sep 16, 2022)“
Now
FTC sues to block Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard (Dec 8, 2022)
PS5 Sales Hit Historical Numbers in the US (Feb 2023)
Smith:”Sony has an 80% market share in Europe"
PS5 Sales Continue to Break Records in the US (Mar 2023)
PS5 Just Sold More Units In A Single Quarter Than Any Other Console Ever (Jan - Mar 2023)
Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard acquisition blocked by CMA (Apr 26, 2023)
Microsoft boss warns Rishi Sunak it's a “bad day for Britain” (Apr 27, 2023)
Microsoft’s UK Blackmail Showcases Big Tech’s Threat to Democracies Worldwide (Apr 27, 2023)
Microsoft's veiled threats to the UK over Activision reveal a lot (Apr 28, 2023)
Sony posts record operating profit on great PS5 sales (Apr 28, 2023)
Sony eyes finance unit listing, doubles down on entertainment (May 18, 2023)
“We (Microsoft) are in a very unique position to be able to go spend Sony out of business (Jun 26, 2023)”
Nadella testifies in trial over Activision merger that Call of Duty will ‘100%’ stay on PlayStation (Jun 29, 2023)
PlayStation maker Sony upgraded to Buy at Goldman Sachs (Jul 13, 2023)
Microsoft Agrees to Keep ‘Call of Duty’ on PlayStation. The deal is for 10 years (Jul 16, 2023)
Sony 's market value dropped $20 billion in a single day.
The pandemic and its associated lockdowns disrupted the PS5 production; Xbox Series was outselling the PS5, Microsoft bought ZeniMax, ABK and had no intentions of stopping
Time is much more valuable than money. Jim 'bought time' and scored a massive win on multiple fronts
Then
Sony cuts PS5 production again as chip shortages and shipment issues bite (Nov 11, 2021)
Sony loses $20 billion in market value after Microsoft's massive deal to buy Activision Blizzard knocks its shares (Jan 19, 2022)
Nadella: "Microsoft should not need to make any formal concessions to win regulatory approval for the deal (Feb 3, 2022)"
Nadella:"Xbox has taken market share globally for 2 quarters in a row (Apr 26, 2022)"
Nadella:"Xbox has been the “market leader in North America for 3 quarters in a row (Jul 26, 2022)"
Sony calls Microsoft’s 3-year Call of Duty sharing offer “inadequate (Sep 7, 2022)”
Spencer: “Microsoft won't press pause on acquisitions (Sep 16, 2022)“
Now
FTC sues to block Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard (Dec 8, 2022)
PS5 Sales Hit Historical Numbers in the US (Feb 2023)
Smith:”Sony has an 80% market share in Europe"
PS5 Sales Continue to Break Records in the US (Mar 2023)
PS5 Just Sold More Units In A Single Quarter Than Any Other Console Ever (Jan - Mar 2023)
Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard acquisition blocked by CMA (Apr 26, 2023)
Microsoft boss warns Rishi Sunak it's a “bad day for Britain” (Apr 27, 2023)
Microsoft’s UK Blackmail Showcases Big Tech’s Threat to Democracies Worldwide (Apr 27, 2023)
Microsoft's veiled threats to the UK over Activision reveal a lot (Apr 28, 2023)
Sony posts record operating profit on great PS5 sales (Apr 28, 2023)
Sony eyes finance unit listing, doubles down on entertainment (May 18, 2023)
“We (Microsoft) are in a very unique position to be able to go spend Sony out of business (Jun 26, 2023)”
Nadella testifies in trial over Activision merger that Call of Duty will ‘100%’ stay on PlayStation (Jun 29, 2023)
PlayStation maker Sony upgraded to Buy at Goldman Sachs (Jul 13, 2023)
Microsoft Agrees to Keep ‘Call of Duty’ on PlayStation. The deal is for 10 years (Jul 16, 2023)
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
None of this is a slam dunk, 10 years will go by pretty fast and then no more COD For Sony. Plus losing all other Activision titles is a negative, I wouldn't spin that as a positive either.
Of course MS wants to shrink Sony's business.....how else would they grow their share? Shakes head in disbelief.
Zok310
Banned
A hell of a lot can happen in 10 years.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Ten years will go by fast? What?
lastmessiah
Member
And there's the fact that CoD being owned by Microsoft means it is essentially exclusive anyway. CoD players (on console) go where the best experience is.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Your right, Sony could fold after launching a horrible PS6. Or MS could bow out of the hardware market and sell only "enhanced PC's" with an xbox overlay.
Or Nintendo could launch a new console with 25FL of power and take over the universe.
Moriarty1889
Member
Jim Ryan is a class A CLOWN…….just look at his big BOZO nose.
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Basil King
Member
10 years of letting the smaller guy reap the benefits of your user base has to sting a little bit. Every copy sold is money in Microsoft’s pocket to money hat third party titles.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I thought the split is 70/30, but someone said yesterday Activision had an 80/20 split for COD. SO that means for every $ COD sells on PS, MS gets 80% of it (or 4x what Sony gets).
Who cares if Sony gets COD. MS doesn't care either. They signed a 10 year deal with Sony for more COD on PS and they didn't have to do it as the FTC already bailed and it doesn't look like the CMA cares about a Sony 10 year deal either in order to approve.
MS would rather make quadruple the revenue than Sony on every copy and mtx and DLC of COD on PS systems. It's a good win for everyone because PS gamers get COD for another 10 years (by that time PS6 will be out and PS7 will be around the corner with rumoured specs) and MS gets money too since they own the franchise.
As a gamer its great. Hell, even Nintendo Switch gamers will get COD. So unless someone only cares about corporations' balance sheets like an accountant as a who's who and who gets what, who cares. Everyone gets COD.
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Dolomite
Member
Disagree. Blizzard has Soo many IP's that are prime for sequels or full reboots. Activision has a full Library of IP's no longer taking the back seat to resources pulled for annual COD releases
Topher
Gold Member
That's all fine, but none of that would do Sony any good when the cutoff date is 2027 for any of that dormant IP. And if you think Microsoft is going to inject a ton of cash into ABK just to resurrect old IPs then I'm afraid you are going to be very disappointed.
Call of Duty for 10 years is the much better deal from a financial perspective. That's simply a fact.
As I pointed out earlier...
Clearly. COD has been the number one selling game in the United States for the past 8 of the last 10 years (probably longer). The two years they were not number one, they were number two. And those two games that outsold COD was RDR 2 in 2018 and GTA V in 2013. And some here think losing out on 7 years of COD is worth whatever else AB has through 2027?
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FrankWza
Member
Of course not. There's no such thing as xbox exclusives. It just wasn't going to release on PlayStation.
Sure it was, it's too much revenue to lose. Way too much
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Yeah .. MS is all about uplifting franchises and improving studios
DownTheRabbitHole
Neo Member
I actually think the deal Jim got was actually pretty good, the rest of those games aren't system sellers and Playstation doesn't need to be in business with Microsoft if they don't have to be. Are the rest of those games going to sell more on Xbox, PC and Switch now that they're not on Playstation, I doubt it. Without Playstation its lost revenue
Just think if Jim dipped into the IP bag properly , he has most of those games covered and more. He has about 7 years to come up with a COD rival. I have more faith in Jim to deliver than Lies From Phil.
Just think if Jim dipped into the IP bag properly , he has most of those games covered and more. He has about 7 years to come up with a COD rival. I have more faith in Jim to deliver than Lies From Phil.
The Inventor
Member
I guess that would be the day I return to building a gaming PC. This post made me stop to think for a moment, looking to the horizon of uncertainty...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly. All this fear of no more cod as if MS was going to cut the cord on a cash cow franchise. Not gonna happen.
Ok, maybe if activision releases a remake of vigilante 8 it might be an Xbox/pc exclusive for laughs but not COD.
Considering MS offered a 10 year Cod deal goes to show MS cares more about gamers playing cod raking in the cash than cutting the cord. Who cares which platform it is. If they were that serious about banishing cod from PS they would never offered it, nor kept the offer on the table when it looked more and more likely MS was going to beat FTC and CMA no problem.
They were offering it as many places as they could find. It was always for revenue from COD.
The Pleasure
Member
That's the time span from Halo Reach to what Microsoft has now.
FrankWza
Member
For Xbox division sure. But they were able to purchase Activision because they're backed by microsoft. So it's nowhere near too much money to lose. They just got out maneuvered. Again.
Nah that's a very poor business decision. It's just too much money and there's no path to the deal being profitable on xbox sales.
Be it xbox or MS, they still expect it to make money. Xbox doesn't have the user base to make up for lost sales to PS and they couldn't expect enough new xbox sales to make up the difference either.
Again there's a reason they are signing deals for cod everywhere they can...revenue.
You can make a lot of money in the decade left
dbilyliker
Member
Can anyone tell me, did sony lose?
I'm confused.
I can't play those fps games but I'm curious about this...this "war"(?).
I'm confused.
I can't play those fps games but I'm curious about this...this "war"(?).
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
playstation 7 wont have COD games
mansoor1980
Gold Member
no they signed because they did not want to alienate the COD fanbase on playstation , 10 years is good enough i reckon
dbilyliker
Member
Fabieter
Member
Valve is private and I doubt gabe will ever sell.
haveagood1
Member
You must be under 30.
blakdecaf
Member
It’s definitely a possibility. How much cash would Microsoft make/ save without making a console. Billions. Let someone else do it, and instead own the software and cloud service.
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SkylineRKR
Member
I think so too. Diablo IV is just out, and probably will be the only Diablo for a decade. CoD is an annual franchise so it means 10 CoD games and even if it isn't the franchise it once was, it still a massive seller each year. I don't see how this is a worse deal than just 4 years of CoD along with Crash Bandicoot, Tony Hawk etc which might or might not see sequels in the foreseeable future let alone setting charts on fire and being system sellers.
Fatal Chuck Yeager
Member
Why do you want Sony to lose money and go bankrupt?
Slicker than your average
Banned
What does this even mean ?
Bernardougf
Gold Member
I have a hunch that ps6 wont either not matter what the contract says ... not all cod and/or not in the same way ... TBD
StueyDuck
Member
the lesson is not to fight apparently? to let global tech companies become monopolies?
Say what you will about Jim but he did exactly what he was supposed to do, literally everyone caved in and accepted the brib... gifts that Microsoft sent them to make sure this had little to no friction.
the lesson we learnt here is that money will always win and the Law will gladly kowtow to big tech so long as their pockets are lined nicely and it doesn't affect them personally.
Basically the lesson is the end is coming and there's nothing anyone can do
lastmessiah
Member
Microsoft is a monopoly? Of what?
Moriarty1889
Member
A monopoly of some people‘s minds it appears my friend.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So it went from 2027 to 2033.....
Dolomite
Member
I'd argue that the lesson is negotiation > litigation
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