Dr.brain64
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Let there be creativity.
After Halo Infinite and Forza 8 obviously since those are coming soon and are already in development.
Halo, Gears, and Forza Motorsport were the top franchises in the industry at one point. They started the Xbox, and they were the backbone of the 360. They were among the top rated game series critically for years and are still well reviewed now.
Even on Xbox One where they had weakened substantially, they were the franchises that got the console out of slumps and stopped everything from falling apart.
But this is why I created this thread, it's not just the decline and changing developers that are a problem, but I believe a lot of new Xbox series fail because of these franchises, and they take away resources from these new projects. I think Microsoft put too much reliance on them and it's caused them to have too much sway on first party game sales.
Let's look at the Xbox Ones AAA first party releases, outside Killer Instinct which barely counts, and Sea of thieves what other AAA release succeeded outside of H/G/F? Nothing.
It's not just commercial success either, but also critical success. Here are Xbox One first party AAA releases on metacritic
Forza Horizon 4 - 92%
Forza Horizon 3 - 91%
Forza Motorsport 6 - 87%
Forza Horizon 2 - 86%
Forza Motorsport 7 - 86%
Halo Master Chief Collection - 85%
Gears 5 - 84%
Gears of War 4 - 84%
Halo 5: Guardians - 84%
Halo Wars 2 - 79%
Quantum Break - 77%
Sea of Thieves - 69%
Crackdown 3 - 60%
The scores are declining but the H/G/F games still score higher than other AAA Microsoft games, so they still give those entries priority leading to less resources available for games like Sea if thieves, little help for Remedy on Quantum break, and heavy outsourcing for Crackdown 3.
Do you think it's time for a break? Let Forza 8 and Halo Infinite be the last entries for the next 5 years? I feel that will help Microsoft do better with new AAA ip this generation.
They took 5 years from Acension to the reboot but re-released a few remakes in between.They took a break before the reboot.
They would lose almost all thier fans in Mexico if they ditched Gears.Ditch Gears and keep Halo/Forza.
To be fair each new mainline Mario and Zelda games bring enough new and refreshing ideas to the table that makes them feel like new experiences, something you can't say about Halo and Gears. Mainline Mario and Zelda games are also not that frequent as some people wanna make you believe. Sure there's the 2D stuff as well, but that's like a different type of beast all together, kinda like Halo and Gears top down games.I love how people say MS is only about Halo or Forza while can't wait for the next Mario or Zelda and Smash Bro
MS got plenty of new IP coming and I expect and have no issues with hardware manufacturer looking to bring their classic IP to the nextgen.
I only wished SEGA did more of it on the Saturn and Dreamcast
There was hardly anything new in Smash Bro, Mario Tennis was more of the same and well for me Mario Odessty was a step backwards from Galaxy II There was new stuff brought into Halo V like the 4 player co-op mode LOL which for me killed the gameTo be fair each new mainline Mario and Zelda games bring enough new and refreshing ideas to the table that makes them feel like new games, something you can't say about Halo and Gears. Mainline Mario and Zelda games are also not that frequent as some people make them sound to be. Sure there's the 2D stuff as well, but that's like different type of beast all together.
I'd argue that Halo has brought something new with each iteration.To be fair each new mainline Mario and Zelda games bring enough new and refreshing ideas to the table that makes them feel like new games, something you can't say about Halo and Gears. Mainline Mario and Zelda games are also not that frequent as some people make them sound to be. Sure there's the 2D stuff as well, but that's like a different type of beast all together, kinda like Halo and Gears top down games.
Not Gran Turismo but the other two yeah. Even better make it a permanent break.Should PlayStation take a break from The Last of Us, God of War and Gran Turismo this generation?
Super Smash Bros is a fighting game that features Mario, it's not a Mario game. Mario Tennis is a sports game, that's why I specifically said "mainline Mario and Zelda games". Mario sports games are not even really Mario games, they just use Mario name to sell, but the reality is he's just one of the many characters you can play as. I thought this would be clear.There was hardly anything new in Smash Bro, Mario Tennis was more of the same and well for me Mario Odessty was a step backwards from Galaxy II There was new stuff brought into Halo V like the 4 player co-op mode LOL which for me killed the game
It's also been nearly 6 years since the last Halo. You look over Splatoon and Arms and its NCL that makes sequels to the same old IP time and time again.
5 numbered titles, 7 in total. I never claimed Halo and Gears games are very frequent, but I do think they're very samey and have been getting worse since new devs took over.I'd argue that Halo has brought something new with each iteration.
Also Halo games aren't as frequent as some make them sound. They are only on 5 after 20 years.
5 numbered titles, 7 in total. I never claimed Halo and Gears games are frequent, but I do think they're very samey and have been getting worse since 343 took over.
All Halo games revolve around same core mechanics, which you cannot say for mainline Mario titles. Just play Mario64, Sunshine, Galaxy and Odyssey and tell me they are the same. With each new Mario game you have to relearn to play because gameplay varies greatly, but I can pick any Halo game now and they all play the same. They're obviously trying to change it now with introduction of grapple hook and semi open world, etc.Yet each one brought something new and refreshing to the table. Halo doesn't play the same as 2, 3, Reach, ODST, 4 or 5
They all have different and new mechanics based on each game. Same as Mario or Zelda.
Which you suggested were different somehow.
Super Smash Bros is a fighting game that features Mario, it's not a Mario game. Mario Tennis is a sports game, that's why I specifically said "mainline Mario and Zelda games". Mario sports games are not even really Mario games, they just use Mario name to sell, but the reality is he's just one of the many characters you can play as. I thought this would be clear.
I can play Mario 1,3 Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros and Mario Maker and get it, because they are all 2D Mario games.All Halo games revolve around same core mechanics, which you cannot say for mainline Mario titles. Just play Mario64, Sunshine, Galaxy and Odyssey and tell me they are the same. With each new Mario game you have to relearn to play because gameplay varies greatly, but I can pick any Halo game now and they all play the same. They're obviously trying to change it now with introduction of grapple hook and semi open world, etc.
Not sure why you bringing fighting and racing games in a reply to a comment about mainline Mario and Zelda games. Are you really that desperate to win this argument?Smash Bro is a Nintendo IP that Nintendo makes endless sequels too and yet that is ok, same goes for Mario Kart, Zelda and Mario. But that's ok as long as you're Nintendo. God forbid, should SONY and MS look to make sequels to their IP, whilst too their credit look to bring more brand new IP to the table too.
Yes, that's why I didn't mention 2D games, just like I didn't mention top down Halo and Gears games. There's an obvious limitation to 2D platformers, just like there would be if you made multiple RTS games with Halo or Gears. Almost all 2D platformers play the same, same for RTS, fighting and racing games, etc. Some games are restricted by their genre and design.I can play Mario 1,3 Super Mario World, New Super Mario Bros and Mario Maker and get it, because they are all 2D Mario games.
Saying they haven't changed because they are all FPS, doesn't mean you understand all the intricacies and mechanics right away.
So if it's a fighting game it's ok to make endless sequels and for then to play pretty much the same? My point was why it is so wrong for MS to look to make sequels to its IP but no issues with Nintendo? Don't say Nintendo bring something new to the table, every sequel to a game brings in something new and adds a little extra or mode even GearsNot sure why you bringing fighting and racing games in a reply to a comment about mainline Mario and Zelda games. Are you really that desperate to win this argument?
Your point about fighting and racing Nintendo games being samey can be directed at all fighting and racing games, even ones Microsoft made. I'm not exactly sure what you expect from these types of games, maybe you can be the beacon of light and revolutionise fighting and racing games.
The largest part of Mario games are 2D platformers. Why would you exclude most of his legacy?Yes, that's why I didn't mention 2D games, just like I didn't mention top down Halo and Gears games. There's an obvious limitation to 2D platformers, just like there would be if you made multiple RTS games with Halo or Gears. Almost all 2D platformers play the same, same for RTS, fighting and racing games, etc.
You specifically mentioned Mario and Zelda, but then conveniently switched the topic to fighting and sports games. You cannot criticise Nintendo for samey fighting and racing games when that's it is with everyone else who makes those types of games, including Microsoft. For your information Mario Kart revolutionised Kart racing, now every Kart racer wants to be like it.So if it's a fighting game it's ok to make endless sequels and for it plays pretty much the same? My point was why it is so wrong for MS to look to make sequels to its IP but no issues with Nintendo and don't say Nintendo bring something new to the table, every sequel to a game brings in something new and adds a little extra even Gears
The hypocrisy by some gamers is shameless at times.
that’s all that halo fan want….And let's face it, there's nothing about that gameplay we saw that looked like a rebooted Halo. It just looked like more formulaic Halo.
Because 2D is very restricting, a reason why there's barely any innovation there for I don't know how long. But still, Mario 2D games are still the best in class, something you can't say for Halo or Gears as of recently. If we gonna talk about innovation, fresh design and gameplay then by common sense we would talk about 3D games.The largest part of Mario games are 2D platformers. Why would you exclude most of his legacy?
If you want to compare Halo to Mario we have to look at the 2d games vs the fps games, because that's the genre they both made thier name in.
So it's ok to make endless sequels to sport and fighting games, just not FPS or 3rd person games. I get it !You specifically mentioned Mario and Zelda, but then conveniently switched the topic to fighting and sports games. You cannot criticise Nintendo for samey fighting and racing games when that's it is with everyone else who makes fighting and racing games. For your information Mario Kart revolutionised Kart racing, now every Kart racer wants to be like it.
But it's ok to make endless sequels to racing games when it comes to Microsoft according to you. Hypocrisy much?So it's ok to make endless sequels to sport and fighting games, just not FPS or 3rd person games. I get it !
Sadly I only wished SEGA made sequels to its fighting and racing games.
I don't have issues with sequels myself. I have issues with those who say it's wrong for sequels to Halo or Forza, while can't wait for sequels to Prime or Mario Kart Ect.But it's ok to make endless sequels to racing games when it comes to Microsoft according to you. Hypocrisy much?
Who said it's wrong? Lol, I never claimed such a thing. I said Halo and Gears are samey and boring. You proceeded to talk about fighting, racing and sports games, even though you know very well those are genres where's no innovation really because design and nature of those games is very restricting. That's not the case for games like Halo and Gears, there's plenty of things they can do. It's not the case for 3D Mario and Zelda either, it's why Nintendo is always refreshing things and making a new experience with each instalment.I don't have issues with sequels myself. I have issues with those who say it's wrong for sequels to Halo or Forza, while can't wait for sequels to Prime or Mario Kart Ect.
Should PlayStation take a break from The Last of Us, God of War and Gran Turismo this generation?
They've been on an extended sabbatical from Metroid for what feels like an ice age.Should Nintendo take a break from Mario, Zelda, Metroid this generation?
How will their console owners feel without them?
Ok, Nintendo. I bet you can't wait for the next Zelda and Mario to be shown offWho said it's wrong? Lol, I never claimed such a thing. I said Halo and Gears are samey and boring.
Is that a jab? If so it's very cheap.Ok, Nintendo. I bet you can't wait for the next Zelda and Mario to be shown off