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Should Xbox take a break from Halo, Gears, and Forza(Motorsport) this new generation?

Should Microsoft give them a break?

  • Give Halo, Gears, and Forza Motorsport a break this new generation.

    Votes: 130 39.5%
  • Keep releasing Halo, Gears, and Forza Motorsport at the usual frequency.

    Votes: 199 60.5%

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Gears is better than Halo for me so I wouldn't want them to ditch that. (I'm not Mexican!) Especially when there's still the last part of this 2nd trilogy to finish.
 
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With the exception of Forza i think they need to bury those IPs and make something new. These universes were never meant to be console gaming's answer to star wars or whatever.

I'd really like a new IP with the weight of halo: ce.

Maybe they should realise their next console 3 or so years after the Sony console, so they can enjoy a nice boost ahead in fidelity.
 

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He's always talking shit. I wouldn't take whatever he says seriously at all.

I wasn't aware of, thanks for the tip.

You mean those games that in some cases won't release until 4 or 5 years in?

And in some cases will release this year, next year or in the near future. So yeah, I mean all of those games.
Just like any other publisher.


Might not be a good one though, I say its high time to take it out of 343's hands.

Maybe yes maybe no, but at least let's wait for it, let's see how it pans out and then judge them. Let's not condemn them before even releasing the game.
In either case, they're nro going to take it out of 343i's hands as they're made for the sole purpose of caring for Halo. They can change the leadership, that's it.
 

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What? If these were like yearly releases I guess I could see your point but there’s been a mainline halo game like once in a generation, two tops
 
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I wasn't aware of, thanks for the tip.



And in some cases will release this year, next year or in the near future. So yeah, I mean all of those games.
Just like any other publisher.




Maybe yes maybe no, but at least let's wait for it, let's see how it pans out and then judge them. Let's not condemn them before even releasing the game.
In either case, they're nro going to take it out of 343i's hands as they're made for the sole purpose of caring for Halo. They can change the leadership, that's it
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We can condemn them all we want because ao far they have made 2 trash Halo games and as the series is hitting a low other gaming franchises are hitting their highs where people might not care to play Halo anymore, the ship is already set to leave
 
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We can condemn them all we want because ao far they have made 2 trash Halo games and as the series is hitting a low other gaming franchises are hitting their highs where people might not care to play Halo anymore, the ship is already set to leave

That's simply not true. Their halo games weren't trash, metacritic proves otherwise. They weren't on the same heights as the previous ones, but they weren't trash.

Also the series isn't hitting low, it's still very popular and still played. Especially on PC where it's finding new audiences.

Anyway, I've realized that you're just hating 343i for whatever reason so I'll stop here.
 
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What? If these were like yearly releases I guess I could see your point but there’s been a mainline halo game like once in a generation, two tops
The majority of this threads defense is simply that these are not yearly franchises.... look I don't truly believe that that is what the person who made this thread is implying and that suddenly the frequency of those titles is the real culprit or anything weird like that it is literally just a stupid scapegoat to try to ignore those series dwindling sales in poor reviews.

I would be willing to even disregard something like this if those series always reviewed very well but over the generation these entries of Halo in Gears of War just proceeded to get worse and worse and clearly it does not help that the sales continue to go down.

So the point I'm making has nothing to do with them being yearly releases it has everything to do with that when they released they are reviewing poorly and they are selling way less than the previous entries to the point where I feel maybe they need to just let it go and only returned if they truly have a great concept keep in mind I'm not even arguing against something like Halo infinite because if that truly reboots the franchise that I think that's great but if it becomes another flop I truly believe Microsoft just needs to let that fucking team make a new property instead of forcing them on a Halos every fucking generation to keep releasing shit games I would argue even the people who fucking like Halo don't want to continue to see the series get fucked over every generation.

Let It Go.

Return when you actually have good ideas.

It's why personally I have nothing against Jak and Daxter not returning the way I see it is the development team tried they had a few ideas but because things just didn't pick up and they couldn't get any type of solid foundation they let it go but in my opinion this is the correct thing to do why fucking force it?. So I have nothing against Coalition or 343 making a brand new intellectual property. I have no plans to touch a Halo game or Gears of War game in the foreseeable future, however I cannot say no to a fucking property I do not know the genre or the plot etc it's why a new intellectual property will always be on the table for me to return to any one of those Developers.
 

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That's simply not true. Their halo games weren't trash, metacritic proves otherwise. They weren't on the same heights as the previous ones, but they weren't trash.

Also the series isn't hitting low, it's still very popular and still played. Especially on PC where it's finding new audiences.
Trash, halo is your staple franchise and it has been mismanaged and has brought two medicore games out for a franchise in the early to mid 2000's which was the hottest shit ever, the last 2 halo games were wet farts, how do previous halo sales compare to the new ones?

Did you mention metacritic? Halo 1-3 were in the 90's, 343 trash has been in the 80's....the quality dipped and hard
 
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Trash, halo is your staple franchise and it has been mismanaged and has brought two medicore games out for a franchise in the early to mid 2000's which was the hottest shit ever, the last 2 halo games were wet farts, how do previous halo sales compare to the new ones?

I know you're not exactly arguing in good faith, but how on earth does 85 and 84 ratings equal mismanagement and mediocre games?
 
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yeah, take a break from console sellers, genius.

The fact that the last 2 XB consoles sold less then Nintendo and Sony consoles doesn't help..... bud, shit I'd argue those games selling poorly have to do with their consoles selling poorly compared to their competition. Those games are not moving Uncharted, Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn numbers.....

I think they need a break and just need to let them do new IP.

Look at the fucking games I told you.... Uncharted, but the team used to do Jak and Daxter, they now do The Last Of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, but the team used to do Killzone, Spiderman, but the team STILL does Ratchet, used to do Resistance.... soooooooo they can move the fuck on and still return at a later date, but they need those teams on new IP to get more consumers and to move more units. You can't really tell me they can't do better then Gears or Halo.

So basically nothing new? All new is bad? They can't do that? Only better more talented teams can work on multiple properties or? Give them that much respect sir, at the very least understand they probably don't want to keep doing that shit every generation either and would love to either let go of those IP for the time being, or put it on hold while they focus on a new IP or do both.

I don't see why anyone would argue against new IP in favor of IP that are not only moving less units, but reviewing poorly compared to past entries
 
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You should try them, maybe you'll finally play games with fun and exciting gameplay.
I have thanks....

 
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The fact that the last 2 XB consoles sold less then Nintendo and Sony consoles doesn't help..... bud, shit I'd argue those games selling poorly have to do with their consoles selling poorly compared to their competition. Those games are not moving Uncharted, Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn numbers.....

I think they need a break and just need to let them do new IP.

Look at the fucking games I told you.... Uncharted, but the team used to do Jak and Daxter, they now do The Last Of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, but the team used to do Killzone, Spiderman, but the team STILL does Ratchet, used to do Resistance.... soooooooo they can move the fuck on and still return at a later date, but they need those teams on new IP to get more consumers and to move more units. You can't really tell me they can't do better then Gears or Halo.

So basically nothing new? All new is bad? They can't do that? Only better more talented teams can work on multiple properties or? Give them that much respect sir, at the very least understand they probably don't want to keep doing that shit every generation either and would love to either let go of those IP for the time being, or put it on hold while they focus on a new IP or do both.

I don't see why anyone would argue against new IP in favor of IP that are not only moving less units, but reviewing poorly compared to past entries
halo, gears and forza sold 30+m copies in the xbox one generation, and thats the minimum, MS has studios just for those IPs, they have many many many other studios for other games and new IPs.
 
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The majority of this threads defense is simply that these are not yearly franchises.... look I don't truly believe that that is what the person who made this thread is implying and that suddenly the frequency of those titles is the real culprit or anything weird like that it is literally just a stupid scapegoat to try to ignore those series dwindling sales in poor reviews.

I would be willing to even disregard something like this if those series always reviewed very well but over the generation these entries of Halo in Gears of War just proceeded to get worse and worse and clearly it does not help that the sales continue to go down.

So the point I'm making has nothing to do with them being yearly releases it has everything to do with that when they released they are reviewing poorly and they are selling way less than the previous entries to the point where I feel maybe they need to just let it go and only returned if they truly have a great concept keep in mind I'm not even arguing against something like Halo infinite because if that truly reboots the franchise that I think that's great but if it becomes another flop I truly believe Microsoft just needs to let that fucking team make a new property instead of forcing them on a Halos every fucking generation to keep releasing shit games I would argue even the people who fucking like Halo don't want to continue to see the series get fucked over every generation.

Let It Go.

Return when you actually have good ideas.

It's why personally I have nothing against Jak and Daxter not returning the way I see it is the development team tried they had a few ideas but because things just didn't pick up and they couldn't get any type of solid foundation they let it go but in my opinion this is the correct thing to do why fucking force it?. So I have nothing against Coalition or 343 making a brand new intellectual property. I have no plans to touch a Halo game or Gears of War game in the foreseeable future, however I cannot say no to a fucking property I do not know the genre or the plot etc it's why a new intellectual property will always be on the table for me to return to any one of those Developers.
Well Forza apparently has good reviews, Gears of War they could take a break from I guess, Halo I don’t see the need like that’s all those guys in 343 are there to do, there’s not a shitload of options for a good sci-fi FPS, much less a split screen co-op FPS these days (are there any others actually? Or is halo all that’s left for split screen co op shooters?). And then what else would they do with the franchise just completely revamp it into something unrecognizable? I just don’t see the logic - the game is mostly played with other people whether it’s campaign or multiplayer, like that’s the whole point of it, I’d get it if it had a lot of room to reinvent itself and was primarily a single player story driven experience but that’s not how its widely played

and as mediocre comparatively the last two games were to the originals, they are still better shooters than most of the stuff out there
 
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I want my new Gears UE5-powered game ASAP. There will not have been a new halo game for 6 years when Halo infinite is released and I doubt we will see another one for many years. New mainline Forza seems to be taking its time too. MS has announced perfect dark, Avowed, Hellblade 2, Fable already and this is without the new Bethesda titles. I don’t get the point of this thread.
 
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halo, gears and forza sold 30+m copies in the xbox one generation, and thats the minimum, MS has studios just for those IPs, they have many many many other studios for other games and new IPs.

We have no solid figures for Halo or Gears.

Gears 5 UK launch showed that Gears Of War 3 did 20 times better...

"Gears 5’s poor performance in UK retail charts. As analyst Daniel Ahmad notes, Gears of War 4 sold 4.5 times better in its launch week, and Gears of War 3 – at the height of the Xbox 360’s success and before digital distribution was a major factor – sold 20 times better."



Halo 5, MS has yet to give us shit in terms of any data, we just know it flopped based on how quickly it disappeared from all world wide charts, something odd for a MP title.


That 30 million BULK is Forza and Forza Horizon.

Let em go.

Its why my post even fucking states GEARS AND HALO! Forza as a static title makes sense and moves the units to exist and hasn't moved shit units and got poor reviews like Halo and Gears. Let it go, let them move on and simply return at a different generation or something.



B Balducci30 I agree with most of your post. Forza is a solid series and being static it makes sense. The game moves solid units, both Forza sim and Forza horizon do very well and review very well. Gears and Halo I feel continuing with low sales and poor reviews is just too much and I feel MS has given them more then enough chances, like overkill at this point. I agree that we don't have much sci fi FPS stuff, but Destiny exist, Doom exist, Starfield.....will exist lol If anything, let those teams just do another sci fi game, different setting, genre etc. I don't feel they need to keep having such bad releases and become memes simply because a lack of scifi FPS, we also want GOOD SCIFI FPS! I feel I simply see Halo series as Halo 1-3 and same with Gears.
 
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We have no solid figures for Halo or Gears.

Gears 5 UK launch showed that Gears Of War 3 did 20 times better...

"Gears 5’s poor performance in UK retail charts. As analyst Daniel Ahmad notes, Gears of War 4 sold 4.5 times better in its launch week, and Gears of War 3 – at the height of the Xbox 360’s success and before digital distribution was a major factor – sold 20 times better."



Halo 5, MS has yet to give us shit in terms of any data, we just know it flopped based on how quickly it disappeared from all world wide charts, something odd for a MP title.


That 30 million BULK is Forza and Forza Horizon.

Let em go.

Its why my post even fucking states GEARS AND HALO! Forza as a static title makes sense and moves the units to exist and hasn't moved shit units and got poor reviews like Halo and Gears. Let it go, let them move on and simply return at a different generation or something.
What are you even talking about ? Gears5 was heavily advertised as a gamepass game and it more than did its job. Its entire marketing campaign was focused on gamepass and it helped increase subs by a lot. Halo Infinite will sell around 10 million copies on steam, you can bookmark this. Most MS first party games are about gamepass these days when it comes to consoles.
 
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No, but they shouldnt expect to become better/more popular if they dont release new and different IP's.
 

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I have thanks....

Completely agreed.

Nintendo was one of the few Publishers that is able to successfully moved a ridiculous number of units with their Evergreen titles this is something that Microsoft has never been able to achieve and it's essentially a waste because what they're trying to do with these franchise is is try to make them some sort of Evergreen concept where people culturally will get excited to play them every generation but those games is simply do not actually have the numbers to really prove that they can actually move those units to exist in the same way Zelda or Mario Kart or Smash Brothers does.

It's completely fucking pointless.

I believed for a very very long time that I would make sense for Microsoft to technically just go the Ubisoft or Sony route and simply introduce new series every generation. In the early 2000s when Halo would release it literally was a big event and a cultural phenomenon but after a few entries I believe it started to overstay its welcome and it's almost as if the idea of the game could not live up to the actual game any longer, the console introduction of Call of Duty basically was the nail in the coffin of that game ever getting the same type of reception. So I believe Microsoft simply needs to treat the series with respect and simply Let It Go and only return if 343 truly has a unique idea make the release of a Halo game a true big cultural event.

Halo and Gears of War will never be in the same ballpark as something like Zelda or Smash Brothers, thus it actually makes no sense to try to hold developers to just making the same thing that's already not moving significant units.
 
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Halo and Gears of War will never be in the same ballpark as something like Zelda or Smash Brothers, thus it actually makes no sense to try to hold developers to just making the same thing that's already not moving significant units.

There's a reason why MS is making sequels to them and not other IP and that's they sell enough to make a profit, it's quite a simple concept and why sadly we'll never see sequels to Microsoft fund sequels like Recore, Lost Oddesy Blue Dragon :(
If an MS game doesn't sell or make money, MS drop it like a stone, much like NCL with F- Zero and Pilotwings sadly :(
 
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Xbox without Halo is like Nintendo without Mario. They should use the same template and feature different types of games with Gears IP or Halo IP. Like Gears Golf or something.
 

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Xbox without Halo is like Nintendo without Mario. They should use the same template and feature different types of games with Gears IP or Halo IP. Like Gears Golf or something.
Like Gears Tactics, Halo Wars and Halo Spartan Assault?
I would like to see isometric RPG in gears world or stealth game during pendulum wars (directed by Kojima)
 

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Why only the two options? Give us one installment of each for the entire gen. Especially with Forza MS, no need to have a brand new one every two years when it has the same cars and same tracks but just a different UI. Save that Dev time and put it into adding new content and seasonal events.

Note: this is virtually confirmed as what they plan to do this gen anyway by doing the numbered instalments.
 
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They took 5 years from Acension to the reboot but re-released a few remakes in between.

That is different to Halo how?
Because they weren't all close together in release and none of the Halo Releases except one were remake releases.

This is easy to understand but I think you're blinded too much to see it.
 

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I want another gears Tactics. But yes let the coalition try another game they earned it. I think halo moving from 343 and taking time off to really plan the next one is a good Idea. Motorsport can stay if turn 10 wants to do it they earned their keep. Just move the releases further appart.
 

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This seems silly when its been years since the last release of any of those franchises. Halo has been 5 + years, Forza 3 + years, Gears 2 + years. I know some people want MS to fail, but the reasoning behind it isn't logical if you like games.
 
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Square should stop making Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.
No one said anything about stopping games and it's clear that you know this based on your previous posts, now your just trolling because you can't come up with a counter argument. Stand down soldier.
 

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That does not make 84 and 85 mediocre.
Fuck yea it does, take tlou, for both games in the franchise they are 90 and above, if Neil steps away from the game and someone else or a whole different studio takes over for part 3 and then it comss out after all the hype and only gets a low-mid 80's thats a goddamn failure to the franchise and the legacy of the game.

343 dont have it, they never had it. Infinite should have been handed off to another studio plain and simple because compared to past iterations, they suck. This is coming from someone who grew up with Halo, stood in line for Halo2-3, Reach etc and was severely let down by the franchise after 343 took over. Hell they should have kept the ending for 3 because it was a perfect ending for Chief and rebooted a different franchise in the same universe but with a new character that you know is actually good.
 
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I like how several of you keep listing games that had breaks, and one of these two has breaks between almost every release.
Looking at your list the Forza games seem to be the most frequent. They are also the highest scoring and most popular titles. Stopping those games would be more of a detriment to the platform over a benefit.

There were two Gears titles and 5 reviewed higher than 4 so it was an improvement over the previous title. Also the Coalition makes the best looking games for Xbox and the multi-player modes get lots of attention. Gears 6 is most likely in early development and won't be out until 2023 at the earliest maybe later than that. That's about 5 years between games and it will have a new engine to boot.

Finally there is Halo Infinite and there was only 1 mainline game the whole last generation. How that would mean it needs a break when it has been on a break for 6 years is an interesting take.

Your main point about needing more variety for the Xbox platform is well taken. That might be why MS has been investing in new studios and has at least 20 at this point. I highly doubt all these studios will be making Halo, Gears, and Forza games. The games during the X1 generation were mostly from same studios and games like Killer Instinct and Crackdown as you mentioned weren't even done in house. Why don't we look at the e3 showcase which is in 2 days and see how many Gears, Forza, and Halo games they show during the 90 minute presentation and then we can see if MS has any additional IP planned.
 

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Yes they need to give all 3 a rest and try something new this gen I feel, and also make it exclusive to xbox (not on PC too)
 

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No, they've added plenty other studios to bring new IP or more of a diverse library to Xbox.
 
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its been a long time since the last halo and forza is a racing game so it will carry on. maybe release one every 3 years. gears is the only one i can agree on. its just stale and the talent at that studio should be making new ip.
 

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Should Nintendo take a break from releasing games that they usually put out. Should PlayStation do the same? What a stupid and ignorant thing to even ask. Stop it, get some help
 
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I think that Forza is a non issue, the games sell and are well received.


However, Gears should rest... At least for one/two more year(s), they should work really hard on a new one with new stuff.


Now Halo... Well, wait and see, if the new one is poorly received the series must be left alone for a long time. It's do or sleep for Halo.... If they keep pushing poorly received releases they are going to end up killing the franchise.
 

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that’s all that halo fan want….
How many "Halo fans" have stopped gaming as a hobby by now? That demographic has been shrinking every year for the last 10 years.

Got to appeal to more than just Halo fans at this point.

See: God of War reboot.
 

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I love how people say MS is only about Halo or Forza while can't wait for the next Mario or Zelda and Smash Bro
MS got plenty of new IP coming and I expect and have no issues with hardware manufacturer looking to bring their classic IP to the nextgen.
I only wished SEGA did more of it on the Saturn and Dreamcast
Sega did the what now?
 
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They have 23 studios (and will almost certainly continue adding more), only 3.5 (Playground counts as half because of working on a Forza and a non-Forza game) studios are working on those franchises. 19.5 are working on games other than those series. There's no reason to stop making those games when they're still popular and they'll have more variety in 1st party than even Sony this gen (not saying better but more variety given the amount of studios they'll have). Unless something happens where one of those series gets way less popular, they should continue making them.

Plus, those 3 franchises are made by studios of people who love those franchises and joined those studios to work on those franchises. I don't think the idea that 343 or Coalition are "stuck" working on Halo/Gears is true at all, I think that's what they want to work on, or else they wouldn't have joined that studio
 

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They took breaks from both.
Halo coming out after 6 yrs and Gears going on long break now. Forza already on break. Just Horizon will come now.

You all conveniently ignored all the announced games?


Avowed
Hellblade 2
Perfect dark
Starfield
And multiple more coming from 26 MS studios.


MS is no more Halo/Gears/ Forza only company and even MS knows that.


Purpose of this thread to create needless console wars. If i was mod, i would ban such threads immediately.
 
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They have significantly boosted their first party set up. Before the acquisitions, these remarks wouldn’t of lingered so much(fanboys aside) had the studios they did have put out more variety in their releases.

I never understood the resistance to what is supposed to be a creative industry, having 343 or Coalition make something that isn’t Halo and Gears throughout the Xbox One generation. We could of had something lined up for the Series X launch whilst Infinite was being improved on. It’s like Naughty Dog only making Uncharted games, or Insomniac only making Ratchet games , we would never have gotten the of likes of The Last of Us if that was the case.

Some people say 343 and Coalition can’t make other games because they hire people to only work on those two IPs. What? They are supposed to be creative people, are you telling me they can only work on those two and fuck all else? What kind of devs are they? Come on. Makes me laugh that some even say they can’t do nothing else because of the name of the studios. Come on.

And people talk about the gaps in releases , they didn’t bring anything else in between did they? No. It took a subscription service for them to rectify these things so now we have to wait further .

I’m a bit wary for Sunday , the big mouths in the fan base will praise no matter what happens, we all know it . I really hope they knock it out of the park tho , I want to praise them and be excited for Xbox. I love some of the acquisitions like Playground and Ninja Theory, I want them all to smash it and bring positivity back . Come on guys/gals!