He's always talking shit. I wouldn't take whatever he says seriously at all.
You mean those games that in some cases won't release until 4 or 5 years in?
Might not be a good one though, I say its high time to take it out of 343's hands.
We can condemn them all we want because ao far they have made 2 trash Halo games and as the series is hitting a low other gaming franchises are hitting their highs where people might not care to play Halo anymore, the ship is already set to leaveI wasn't aware of, thanks for the tip.
And in some cases will release this year, next year or in the near future. So yeah, I mean all of those games.
Just like any other publisher.
Maybe yes maybe no, but at least let's wait for it, let's see how it pans out and then judge them. Let's not condemn them before even releasing the game.
In either case, they're nro going to take it out of 343i's hands as they're made for the sole purpose of caring for Halo. They can change the leadership, that's it.
We can condemn them all we want because ao far they have made 2 trash Halo games and as the series is hitting a low other gaming franchises are hitting their highs where people might not care to play Halo anymore, the ship is already set to leave
The majority of this threads defense is simply that these are not yearly franchises.... look I don't truly believe that that is what the person who made this thread is implying and that suddenly the frequency of those titles is the real culprit or anything weird like that it is literally just a stupid scapegoat to try to ignore those series dwindling sales in poor reviews.What? If these were like yearly releases I guess I could see your point but there’s been a mainline halo game like once in a generation, two tops
Trash, halo is your staple franchise and it has been mismanaged and has brought two medicore games out for a franchise in the early to mid 2000's which was the hottest shit ever, the last 2 halo games were wet farts, how do previous halo sales compare to the new ones?That's simply not true. Their halo games weren't trash, metacritic proves otherwise. They weren't on the same heights as the previous ones, but they weren't trash.
Also the series isn't hitting low, it's still very popular and still played. Especially on PC where it's finding new audiences.
Trash, halo is your staple franchise and it has been mismanaged and has brought two medicore games out for a franchise in the early to mid 2000's which was the hottest shit ever, the last 2 halo games were wet farts, how do previous halo sales compare to the new ones?
yeah, take a break from console sellers, genius.
halo, gears and forza sold 30+m copies in the xbox one generation, and thats the minimum, MS has studios just for those IPs, they have many many many other studios for other games and new IPs.The fact that the last 2 XB consoles sold less then Nintendo and Sony consoles doesn't help..... bud, shit I'd argue those games selling poorly have to do with their consoles selling poorly compared to their competition. Those games are not moving Uncharted, Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn numbers.....
I think they need a break and just need to let them do new IP.
Look at the fucking games I told you.... Uncharted, but the team used to do Jak and Daxter, they now do The Last Of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, but the team used to do Killzone, Spiderman, but the team STILL does Ratchet, used to do Resistance.... soooooooo they can move the fuck on and still return at a later date, but they need those teams on new IP to get more consumers and to move more units. You can't really tell me they can't do better then Gears or Halo.
So basically nothing new? All new is bad? They can't do that? Only better more talented teams can work on multiple properties or? Give them that much respect sir, at the very least understand they probably don't want to keep doing that shit every generation either and would love to either let go of those IP for the time being, or put it on hold while they focus on a new IP or do both.
I don't see why anyone would argue against new IP in favor of IP that are not only moving less units, but reviewing poorly compared to past entries
Well Forza apparently has good reviews, Gears of War they could take a break from I guess, Halo I don’t see the need like that’s all those guys in 343 are there to do, there’s not a shitload of options for a good sci-fi FPS, much less a split screen co-op FPS these days (are there any others actually? Or is halo all that’s left for split screen co op shooters?). And then what else would they do with the franchise just completely revamp it into something unrecognizable? I just don’t see the logic - the game is mostly played with other people whether it’s campaign or multiplayer, like that’s the whole point of it, I’d get it if it had a lot of room to reinvent itself and was primarily a single player story driven experience but that’s not how its widely playedThe majority of this threads defense is simply that these are not yearly franchises.... look I don't truly believe that that is what the person who made this thread is implying and that suddenly the frequency of those titles is the real culprit or anything weird like that it is literally just a stupid scapegoat to try to ignore those series dwindling sales in poor reviews.
I would be willing to even disregard something like this if those series always reviewed very well but over the generation these entries of Halo in Gears of War just proceeded to get worse and worse and clearly it does not help that the sales continue to go down.
So the point I'm making has nothing to do with them being yearly releases it has everything to do with that when they released they are reviewing poorly and they are selling way less than the previous entries to the point where I feel maybe they need to just let it go and only returned if they truly have a great concept keep in mind I'm not even arguing against something like Halo infinite because if that truly reboots the franchise that I think that's great but if it becomes another flop I truly believe Microsoft just needs to let that fucking team make a new property instead of forcing them on a Halos every fucking generation to keep releasing shit games I would argue even the people who fucking like Halo don't want to continue to see the series get fucked over every generation.
Let It Go.
Return when you actually have good ideas.
It's why personally I have nothing against Jak and Daxter not returning the way I see it is the development team tried they had a few ideas but because things just didn't pick up and they couldn't get any type of solid foundation they let it go but in my opinion this is the correct thing to do why fucking force it?. So I have nothing against Coalition or 343 making a brand new intellectual property. I have no plans to touch a Halo game or Gears of War game in the foreseeable future, however I cannot say no to a fucking property I do not know the genre or the plot etc it's why a new intellectual property will always be on the table for me to return to any one of those Developers.
halo, gears and forza sold 30+m copies in the xbox one generation, and thats the minimum, MS has studios just for those IPs, they have many many many other studios for other games and new IPs.
What are you even talking about ? Gears5 was heavily advertised as a gamepass game and it more than did its job. Its entire marketing campaign was focused on gamepass and it helped increase subs by a lot. Halo Infinite will sell around 10 million copies on steam, you can bookmark this. Most MS first party games are about gamepass these days when it comes to consoles.We have no solid figures for Halo or Gears.
Gears 5 UK launch showed that Gears Of War 3 did 20 times better...
"Gears 5’s poor performance in UK retail charts. As analyst Daniel Ahmad notes, Gears of War 4 sold 4.5 times better in its launch week, and Gears of War 3 – at the height of the Xbox 360’s success and before digital distribution was a major factor – sold 20 times better."
Halo 5, MS has yet to give us shit in terms of any data, we just know it flopped based on how quickly it disappeared from all world wide charts, something odd for a MP title.
That 30 million BULK is Forza and Forza Horizon.
Let em go.
Its why my post even fucking states GEARS AND HALO! Forza as a static title makes sense and moves the units to exist and hasn't moved shit units and got poor reviews like Halo and Gears. Let it go, let them move on and simply return at a different generation or something.
Completely agreed.I have thanks....
Halo and Gears of War will never be in the same ballpark as something like Zelda or Smash Brothers, thus it actually makes no sense to try to hold developers to just making the same thing that's already not moving significant units.
Like Gears Tactics, Halo Wars and Halo Spartan Assault?Xbox without Halo is like Nintendo without Mario. They should use the same template and feature different types of games with Gears IP or Halo IP. Like Gears Golf or something.
Because they weren't all close together in release and none of the Halo Releases except one were remake releases.They took 5 years from Acension to the reboot but re-released a few remakes in between.
That is different to Halo how?
Fuck yea it does, take tlou, for both games in the franchise they are 90 and above, if Neil steps away from the game and someone else or a whole different studio takes over for part 3 and then it comss out after all the hype and only gets a low-mid 80's thats a goddamn failure to the franchise and the legacy of the game.That does not make 84 and 85 mediocre.
Looking at your list the Forza games seem to be the most frequent. They are also the highest scoring and most popular titles. Stopping those games would be more of a detriment to the platform over a benefit.I like how several of you keep listing games that had breaks, and one of these two has breaks between almost every release.
Sega did the what now?I love how people say MS is only about Halo or Forza while can't wait for the next Mario or Zelda and Smash Bro
MS got plenty of new IP coming and I expect and have no issues with hardware manufacturer looking to bring their classic IP to the nextgen.
I only wished SEGA did more of it on the Saturn and Dreamcast
Halo coming out after 6 yrs and Gears going on long break now. Forza already on break. Just Horizon will come now.They took breaks from both.