Actually yes, couple at home and couple when travelling (hotels, airb&b) and most games were beyond playable with long parts with almost no noticeable cars lag and not many iQ issues. Next week I am travelling to California/Palm Springs so will test it again I guess.
Your loss then..... Gaming isn't cheap.... Go play F2P games on mobile if you dont want to invest.
Ironically this is the cheap stuff designed for those who don't want to invest.
Forget back buttons and all that jazz even, just look at all the people who often call 30fps completely unplayable in other threads because of the input lag. They would kill eachother over that stuff. 30fps CoD would be a bloodbath thread. Could you imagine?
Yes, here we ‘all’ are happy about “175ms+ lag with jitter”. As if to say the theoretical best performance can’t top this whilst living next door to an Azure data centre with gigabit fibre and latest direct capture API?
Way to miss the point. I'm even being generous with the 175ms. A lot of games can go into the 300ms. Sure, if you live "next door to an an Azure data centre with gigabit ethernet" your milage may vary. Gigabit ethernet wouldn't do anything for your latency anyway only your image quality. Jitter would still exist too meaning input latency can vary while playing, you get packet loss.
Historically games streaming services have not done great but isn't that as much to do with the model as it is the tech?
Where’s your “average figure” from exactly? A 12-month old video from Digital Foundry tested from 1 location? Have you personally tried it?
I have tried several streaming platforms including GFN, xCloud and PS Now personally and the lag is noticeable, even local streaming it's noticeable but if you are asking if I've set up an experiment of my own then no. I haven't personally set up a latency test measurement with circuits and a high speed camera. I know others who have though like DF, Nvidia and reddit posters. 175ms is not some unusually high stated value from these sources. It's average, as I said it can be as high as 300ms depending on the game.
https://www.azurespeed.com/Azure/Latency
And how much jitter were you getting with that average ping alone? look at your graph. Azurespeed doesn't show you latency with xcloud tech. It's just pinging the servers. Measurements in games where you look at input on the controller vs movement on screen gives you the input latency for xcloud.
Maybe 15ms jitter. Peaks go upto about 50ms and down as low as 30ms.
I'm in London and I get 80ms average, 100ms jitter on the UKs fastest broadband but again azurespeed.com isn't xCloud this is just pinging Azure data centres and getting a rtt. To measure input latency for xcloud you need input to pixel latency tests with a high speed cam. You need to measure the time it takes between a button press and the corresponding movement on your display. It isn't a simple matter of measuring ping. My 175ms isn't some preposterous number, it's relatively normal:
So what was your intention of posting your 32ms ping time to Azure data centres if not to dispute the measured 175ms input latency for xcloud? What were you trying to show with it?
If you read my post you would see that I was merely stating that even with an average setup I can get a reasonable experience, if you read more into it than that then that's on you. I'm not getting into a pseudo-science war with you about total latency values, like I said, it's just a number that I don't really care about. Your eyes and brain are more important to determine whether streaming is acceptable in your own chosen location on your own chosen device not some random quoted number from some random video on Youtube.
Scientific evidence is more important than some random guys "feelings" too. I'd put more weight on the former personally. The lag is there both in anecdotal experience and scientific measurements.
Why i put mileage will vary on my first post, cloud streaming is extremely subjective. I know i'm some random guy (any of us guys can say that about ourselves or others). But, for this random guy it works fine despite the secondhand science you are quoting (That incidentally was also carried out by some random guy in a random location on a random day using random hardware). If they carried out the same tests from a different location on different hardware on a different day they would have likely got different results. Just because they carried out some quite technical tests and got accurate results from them doesn't mean to say that I am (Or any other random person) governed by them.
As do people who stand by 30fps being fine and that is subjective too. The point wasn't "science says no bruh" it was to show that you get 175ms or more latency with jitter which is worse and some of the same people being cool with it. I don't know what your actual latency is that you are OK with and tolerate, and it's fine to be OK with it, but it certainly isn't the 32ms ping to the Azure servers you posted. I'm not here trying to tell you not to like things.
Lol acceptable lag. This thing will flop. A séries S is better value.
What are you talking about? The Series S is a success, and casuals don't give a shit about minor cloud lag, something that could stream Minecraft or Stardew Valley on the TV for a small sum has clear potential.
Success... where?
Look at the sales charts, the Series S is selling better than X in many markets because it's cheaper.
I said that earlier in the thread.
