Why? You're not rationalizing WHY....I don't doubt the 12 tflops number. I just really have a hard time believing that the gpu itself is close to 2080ti levels of performance.
Anyone have links to video of 12 TF pc graphics? I tried to find some on YouTube and I wasn't hugely impressed
whats the point of building a gaming pc with specs like this now? Price/ Performance ratio is insane
But all pc games use low level api like Mantle and DX12. Consoles don't have any where near the advantage you think with coding to the metal.Yup. Devs can much much better optimize games for console. So yeah, Xbox is a beast.
I wonder what the price will be. Honestly, looking at the specs it’s worth $1000+
of course it would never be priced like that.
What's the logic here? What's there to doubt? Rationalize your logic.
On paper, the GPU in the Xbox Series X is faster than a GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Microsoft confirmed the GPU inside the Xbox Series X is based on AMD's RDNA 2 architecture with 12 TFLOPs of performance.www.pcgamer.com
At 12 TFLOPs, the GPU inside the Xbox Series X is a tad faster than Nvidia's GeForce RTX 2080 Super, and just a bit behind a 2080 Ti, currently the best graphics card for gaming.
Here's a rundown of graphics cards from both AMD and Nvidia in terms of TFLOPs:
There are different ways of looking at this. Analyzing just the raw FP32 numbers, the Xbox Series X offers up around 20 percent more graphics power than AMD's Radeon RX 5700 XT. It's also nipping at the heels of the 2080 Ti by 1.45 TFLOPs. Other factors dictate performance too, however, such as the underlying architecture, memory configuration, and so forth.
- GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (Turing TU102)—13.45 TFLOPs
- Radeon RX Vega 64 (Vega 10)—12.66 TFLOPs
- Xbox Series X (Navi - RDNA 2)—12 TFLOPs
- GeForce RTX 2080 Super (Turing TU104)—11.15 TFLOPs
- Radeon RX Vega 56 (Vega 10)—10.54 TFLOPs
- GeForce RTX 2080 (Turing TU104)—10.07 TFLOPs
- Radeon RX 5700 XT (Navi 10)—9.754 TFLOPs
There probably will not be a direct equivalent on the PC. However, it's a safe assumption that we will see both slower and faster variants in graphics card form. Given what Microsoft has just revealed, there is every reason to believe that upcoming Navi cards will be equal to and potentially faster than Nvidia's current top offering in the consumer space. At least until Nvidia rolls out its next-gen cards as well (Ampere).
Ok great. Now tell me about the exclusive games that make it worth buying that wont also be on pc?
Agreed. PS5 for exclusives. PC for Xbox and PC only games.
what is AMD's market share for CPUs at the moment? as far as I knowbtzey have been shitting on Intel for at least a year now with all of their current Ryzen lineup completely obliterating Intel.
and for their professional CPU lineup they also at least destroy Intel in terms of performance for price.
MS bought a lot of studios. There will be much more exclusive games nextgen.
Now, tell me: what games have been announced for PS5? So far a single one: godfall, which comes to PC.
Secondly, most PS games come to PC too now, look at horizon etc.
Also, again, most people DO NOT buy a console for exclusive games. Maybe the minority, a few hardcore gamers, but most gamers are buying a console to play Multiplatform games on the best platform with the best price possible.
FIFA, CoD etc. This is what sells consoles. That’s why Sony won, their console cost $100 LESS and had BETTER graphics for third party games.
Disagree. Xbox exclusives will be made available day 1 on PC. The moment Sony does the same (day 1 release on PC), my reason to own a Playstation will be non-existent.
If you aren't impressed, next gen games will be even more unimpressive. Best hardware still is in Nvidia's ballpark, and will only get better with the 3xxx gen in June.Anyone have links to video of 12 TF pc graphics? I tried to find some on YouTube and I wasn't hugely impressed
So yeah...my $2k laptop has a 2070 and can run basically anything so I guess I’m getting a SeX to play Cp2077 and Halo.
That's not understanding how pricing premium products works, my friend.Because logic, my friend.
Comfy couch. I know I could plug my laptop into my tv, it’s not ideal.
Stop dreaming and go get yourself an OG Xbox then.I just wish there was a console with Intel CPU and NV GPU on board, a man can dream...
can you name for me games that are extra optimized for 2080ti to use all it power?
"it's nothing here"
All of them because I have a sofa and a 55’ Oled. I’ll give GeForce Now a look though.Ok great. Now tell me about the exclusive games that make it worth buying that wont also be on pc?
lol.... liar.Pretty much all games.
Pretty much all games.
That's an odd way to look at it.
Tflops are more about performance .... which can then lead to better graphics, or not. It could just be used for running older games at very high framerates.
ACO is a good looking game but there will be much better looking games next gen.So like, Assassin's Creed Odyssey on max settings on a 2080ti isn't indicative of the quality of next-gen graphics?
a 12TF APU in closed system can be used 40-60% efficiently
vs.
12 TF GPU in a PC system
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XSX APU = ca. 16-18TF GPU in a PC
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XSX players are the new Masterrace
true. now imagine if it released today and not at the end of the year by which then we will have new more powerful Nvidia + AMD gpus.
anyway, the CPU will still likely be a huge bottleneck. lol ... a 12TF gpu running with a weak low powered CPU? hahaha.
"BuT iTz ZeN2 !!!11!!"
and? doesn't mean it's the same performance as a 3600, 3700X, 3800X, 3900X, or 3950X. they just share the same us architecture.
OH...
and it'll be inside a tiny case with shit airflow so if the CPU doesn't bottleneck it then it will thermal throttle.
Tiny? I thought series X is huge af?and it'll be inside a tiny case with shit airflow so if the CPU doesn't bottleneck it then it will thermal throttle.
It's a joke?LOL. No. PC gaming is a clusterfuck. A lot of driver issues. Unoptimized Games. Denuvo. It sucks.
It's a joke?
I'm on Intel/Nvidia - 8700k, 2070s, 32gb ram, SSD .
Zero problems. Games I've played all runs MUCH better.
RDR2 - 50-80fps
Sekiro ~ 120fps
KCD ~ 40-80fps
Star Citizen - 35-90fps...etc.
All this in 1440p with Free-sync and in 5-litre case that looks like this. (you can put 1080ti or 2070s here)
Tell me if it worse than on consoles lol.
Yes, they do. No PC game today is built for a 2080 Ti. They are built for the mainstream cards and then the additional performance is used to make them look better. It's a brute force approach. A console game built for 12 TF will crush any PC game that can use a 12 TF GPU but is built for 6. The 12 TF are the baseline for Xbox next gen. The 13.5 TF of a 2080 Ti are the maximum of PC gaming (aside from the $2.400 Titan RTX). It's going to be a huge leap forward and anybody who thinks what a 2080 Ti can deliver today will be more than what a XSX can deliver in a year will be proven wrong.But all pc games use low level api like Mantle and DX12. Consoles don't have any where near the advantage you think with coding to the metal.
Yes, they do. No PC game today is built for a 2080 Ti. They are built for the mainstream cards and then the additional performance is used to make them look better. It's a brute force approach. A console game built for 12 TF will crush any PC game that can use a 12 TF GPU but is built for 6. The 12 TF are the baseline for Xbox next gen. The 13.5 TF of a 2080 Ti are the maximum of PC gaming (aside from the $2.400 Titan RTX). It's going to be a huge leap forward and anybody who thinks what a 2080 Ti can deliver today will be more than what a XSX can deliver in a year will be proven wrong.
Games are built with several varying factors at play. Texture resolution size, what effects can or can't be enabled, etc. If there is such thing as lockheart, 12TF will NOT be a baseline. If PS5 has weaker specs than series X, 12TF will not be the baseline. Having to make games for a system that isn't even 2TF, will be the baseline for some time.Yes, they do. No PC game today is built for a 2080 Ti. They are built for the mainstream cards and then the additional performance is used to make them look better. It's a brute force approach. A console game built for 12 TF will crush any PC game that can use a 12 TF GPU but is built for 6. The 12 TF are the baseline for Xbox next gen. The 13.5 TF of a 2080 Ti are the maximum of PC gaming (aside from the $2.400 Titan RTX). It's going to be a huge leap forward and anybody who thinks what a 2080 Ti can deliver today will be more than what a XSX can deliver in a year will be proven wrong.
You forgot the real metric
Keep in dreaming. Look back at history. Which console was better than a moderate cpu paired with the equivalent gpu on pc? Isn't the xb1x supposedly a rx 480/580? Can you show me where that same gpu DOESN'T desecrate the xb1x? Or the same thing for previous gen? It's sad that people eat up this PR that every console manufacturer spews out ONLY BEFORE the release of a console. Then digital foundry always corrects all the easily influenced people. History repeats itself, as it always will. Until they put in hardware that trumps CURRENT pc specs, it'll always be outdated before it even releases.XSX games should be significantly better than a 2080 Super do to the set development environment they should edge out the ti as well.
I don't recall AMD putting out a single game before... Maybe your confused about something else? How about this. I challenged someone before on this. If a game comes out next gen that can beat my current gpu, you can have it for free. I'll even pay shipping. Now if I win, you owe me NOTHING. Let's see how confident you are on these "claims"Xbox X overall put out better games than the 480/580.
The same games running on a 480/580 and a similar CPU to the X=X versions running better overall.I don't recall AMD putting out a single game before... Maybe your confused about something else? How about this. I challenged someone before on this. If a game comes out next gen that can beat my current gpu, you can have it for free. I'll even pay shipping. Now if I win, you owe me NOTHING. Let's see how confident you are on these "claims"
Can you show me some examples?! Cause I must have missed this somehow.The same games running on a 480/580 and a similar CPU to the X=X versions running better overall.
Does your build have a single 2080ti? Not OCed?
If so I can see games running as good if not better on XSX.