America is well on it's way to criminalising everything. It's a bad road to be on. The country has an almost biblical view of crime and punishment.
Um, no? Like, no.
America is well on it's way to criminalising everything. It's a bad road to be on. The country has an almost biblical view of crime and punishment.
America is well on it's way to criminalising everything. It's a bad road to be on. The country has an almost biblical view of crime and punishment.
I don't want to get into semantics, but to me "abuse" sounds a lot more severe than the type of bullying that I'm considering when framing my statements.
I think we've polarized ourselves unnecessarily. We're both anti-bullying. I just think that systematic punishment & fear of punishment doesn't address the problem at its root. I don't think it'll be effective in stopping or preventing bullying because kids that take it far enough to reach those consequences don't change any sooner than the one's that don't. They get in trouble and get out and they don't change.
A bully has to learn how his actions affect others, not how to manage what he can do and get away with and how to game the system. It's my understanding that bullies see what they do very differently than victims. I know it sucks to be the one that has to stand up to a bully. I've been there. But life isn't fair, and I don't think you can reasonably expect to change human behavior in a meaningful way simply through stricter punishments.
Yeah, it's totally normal and common.Do you agree that fear of punishment is a normal strategy for reducing the incidence of other crimes?
And given the bullying tactics of Christianity to keep people in line, it's actually the exact opposite of what you're saying.
Yeah, it's totally normal and common.
I don't want to get into semantics, but to me "abuse" sounds a lot more severe than the type of bullying that I'm considering when framing my statements.
I think we've polarized ourselves unnecessarily. We're both anti-bullying. I just think that systematic punishment & fear of punishment doesn't address the problem at its root. I don't think it'll be effective in stopping or preventing bullying because kids that take it far enough to reach those consequences don't change any sooner than the one's that don't. They get in trouble and get out and they don't change.
A bully has to learn how his actions affect others, not how to manage what he can do and get away with and how to game the system. It's my understanding that bullies see what they do very differently than victims. I know it sucks to be the one that has to stand up to a bully. I've been there. But life isn't fair, and I don't think you can reasonably expect to change human behavior in a meaningful way simply through stricter punishments.
When it comes to personal matters, I don't think that type of strategy is best. It fits the passive-aggressive (American?) trend of superfluous litigation people are whining about in this thread. When it comes to non-personal issues, sure, sue away and improve the ruleset. But if it's between people, I think the best solution comes from the same place as the problem. I don't claim to know the answer, but I suppose this opinion does stem from my philosophical beliefs.So why does it not address the issue in this case? Or are you against it for all crimes?
How is this legal? Are insults now considered crimes? Would me calling someone an idiot be bullying?
I assume it'll be challenged under freedom of speech laws.
Though it's ridiculous, there are tons of laws already in place to deal with a lot of these problems. Sexual harassment, criminal harassment, stalking, etc.
I hate bullies, was bullied for several years as a kid and by high school, I was one of those laugh with them so they can't laugh at you types, so I can't stand them. But taking them to court over insults is a bit far.
Why not suspend them from school? Kick them off sports teams, make them take mandatory anti-bullying classes etc.
lol wow what a stretch.
Ridiculous to send this type of stuff to court. They're just going way overboard.
I understand your issue here. You are mainly talking about teasing, or kids just being assholes, while bullying is systemic verbal/physical/digital abuse. That being said, that line is pretty thin.
The issue that shows up is in the bolded. You are divorced from reality if you think this is the case. It may be so for some, but for every one of those, there are those who know exactly what they were doing and wish it had gone farther. I distinctly remember kids at my highschool wishing that someone they were bullying would kill themselves.
Not as much as a stretch as your original claim that stopping bullies is a terrible return to ancient biblical law.
Hmm. You've given me something to think about. I really don't know what the breakdown is of bullying severity, especially as it applies to the OP. How many of those cases involve bullies of that intensity? There are some people that are hopeless, I agree. There won't be any gains trying to deal with them person to person. But at least the first example about horse faces sounds like it was probably below that range.
When it comes to personal matters, I don't think that type of strategy is best. It fits the passive-aggressive (American?) trend of superfluous litigation people are whining about in this thread. When it comes to non-personal issues, sure, sue away and improve the ruleset. But if it's between people, I think the best solution comes from the same place as the problem. I don't claim to know the answer, but I suppose this opinion does stem from my philosophical beliefs.
I'm all for dealing with bullying, but this is way over the top.
Next they'll be charging them with terrorism for science experiments gone wrong.
Seems like it's parents choosing to brings these matters to the courts because they won't accept the school-board discipline and the stain on their child's "permanent record."
These kids need to get used to this. This is just another case of the wussification of America...says an asshole bully who never had to experience this shit themselves.
Um, no? Like, no.
Sad that we have to take kids to court for being assholes. Do some parenting Amurrica.
I'm saying your claims about this being a "return" to biblical law are silly. Things were even harsher and less empathic in biblical times since outsiders were killed for their misdeeds and words.
You know what God does to kids who make fun of ugly people? Murders them by being slaughtered by bears.
So yeah, your comparison was the fallacious part.
Sjp the gift (horse) that keeps on giving. (in the mouth)
This is a hell of a statement. While teachers are human, and some treat students they don't like unfairly, I've seen nothing to suggest its at the epidemic level as students bullying each other is.Food for thought here: How would you enforce this law with the adults who run the school? They're just as prone to bullying and intimidating kids they just don't like.
how does a parent's bias toward their children work against their best interests in the case of the bullied child?
I see it all the time in instances where the children are little hellions when parents aren't around, and parents think their kids are little angels.
But what "imperfection" works against the child when they're being bullied? Too soft? Too timid?
Teach your kids not to be shits. Boom bullying crisis solved.
when did this ever happen? May as well just outlaw childbirth, because parents aren't going to suddenly start becoming responsible.
America is well on it's way to criminalising everything. It's a bad road to be on. The country has an almost biblical view of crime and punishment.
Obviously which is why this law is in place.
If you have to go to court for calling someone a fat ass fuck it I'm on the bullies side if society is going to be that fucked.
Kids learn by emulating their parents. If they're assholes, the kids are gonna be assholes. More discipline isn't the answer. It's just gonna piss them off more. Parents need to set a good example.
Bullying on GAF is extremely common and widespread.
Ya I see this a lot. They often seem to be the ones who claim to be against bullying and verbal abuse then proceed to make snarky comments to put down anybody they disagree with.