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Next-gen is a failure if a single title launches at 30fps
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
My dumb idiotic friend is deeply regretting buying that PC Desktop.
He solely blames
DESTROYA
for everything that's happened.
MayauMiao
Member
No problem. Every developer will have the game run in 480p for a guarantee 60fps.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
What kind of a fucking VN would run that high? Anime?
dangopee
Neo Member
If a cinematic type game can look twice as good at half the frame rate then why not? There will always be 30 fps games. Frame rate vs visuals will always be a trade-off until literally graphics are so good that they are indiscernible from reality so that there's no room for visual improvement. 30 fps is the minimum required (well more like 24 fps actually) for a series of frames to look like motion and not like a slideshow. Unless our eyes evolve such to a point where 30 fps starts look like a slideshow, there will continue to be 30 fps games and movies. Get over it.
People who have no idea what they are talking about...
Tqaulity
Member
I'm sorry but this thread is the silliest most ill informed thread I've seen in a while! Why people still keep saying things like this I simply cannot understand. For the last time: the game's framerate is NOT a hardware limitation! It is a developer choice! Every single game on the PS4 could be designed to run at 60fps if every developer saw fit (or Sony mandated it). Hell, every PS1 game could have run at 60fps if that was the focus for all. But it's not and the console manufacturers don't mandate it because they rather leave the flexibility for devs to do what they feel is best for their game because:- Not all game will benefit equally from 60fps
- For some games, getting to 60fps could be prohibitively difficult (and expensive)
- Research has consistently shown for decades now that for the average mass market consumer, the graphics quality has a larger impact than hitting 60fps (from 30fps)
What is really inferred in these statements is that given the more advanced hardware, then we should see all current gen games running at a higher framerate. Yes if the next generation was all about running the same exact games designed for PS4 and XB1 then maybe you could use the extra headroom to increase the framerate (i.e. the current PC model). But the next generation of games will be far more advanced than current gen games and thus, the performance vs quality ratio will ultimately be the same as it is now. Just accept it and please stop asking these silly questions. If all you want to do is accelerate the performance of games designed for lower spec....then that's what the PC is for
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
30fps is lazy with XSX for example.
Give us different fps/resolution options. But 30fps is unacceptable.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Did you not see the Series X specs? I'm aware you've sadly only been limited to console gaming all of your life but that hardware can easily run every single game on the market at 1080/60fps.
Even mentioning 480p shows how absolutely laughably uneducated you are on the subject.
Filthy Casual
Member
Seriously though I do hope devs target 60fps more often next gen. We console peasants like a smooth experience too ya know.
Kumomeme
Member
60fps not neccessary measure here
some devs might priotize visual over fps..thats how it always be..no way around
you want next gen visual? here 30fps
want 60 fps? sure but visualy its not easy to held candle to 30fps game
ofcourse, depend on developers..some wizard might make miracle though, and depend on genre ..such as open world game performance vs linear as example
some devs might priotize visual over fps..thats how it always be..no way around
you want next gen visual? here 30fps
want 60 fps? sure but visualy its not easy to held candle to 30fps game
ofcourse, depend on developers..some wizard might make miracle though, and depend on genre ..such as open world game performance vs linear as example
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
We should move on from the notion that 30FPS still can't be unbelievable.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Next generation will be just like this generation, most games will be 30fps, but multiplayer at least will be 60fps for most big games.
If you really demand 60fps in every game, instead of hoping devs do it for you, play games on PC. It’s the only way.
If you really demand 60fps in every game, instead of hoping devs do it for you, play games on PC. It’s the only way.
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sowasred2012
Neo Member
Personally, I don't lose any sleep over how many frames per second a game runs at. It has to be playable, but beyond that I don't see that it's as big a deal as it is sometimes made out to be.
DESTROYA
Member
I’ll take the blame but do yourself a favor, look in the mirror and slap yourself in the face as hard as you can........does it hurt......good , that’s me bitch slapping for not listening to a far superior intellect.My dumb idiotic friend is deeply regretting buying that PC Desktop.
He solely blames
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
I wish that 60fps would become the new minimum standard but I don’t see that happening. I’m sure 30fps will be found in quite a lot, probably even the majority, of next-gen titles
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Overcooked has some stuttering issues on the PS4, so who knows what barely optimized unity games will do to next gen consoles.
There was a 720p game released on the PS4 a couple of years ago... It might have been the ugliest PS4 game too (I can't recall the name).
So you never know, there could be some 14fps PS2 like game released in 2027 exclusively on the series X model X.
There was a 720p game released on the PS4 a couple of years ago... It might have been the ugliest PS4 game too (I can't recall the name).
So you never know, there could be some 14fps PS2 like game released in 2027 exclusively on the series X model X.
DoctaThompson
Banned
But why not though... Any game that had the option to play at 60fps, only makes sense to play at 60. Reduced input lag, it's no where as nausea inducing, and gives players better reaction time and smoother visuals and animations. I can understand movies that are shot in higher framerate like the Hobbit being a bit strange... But not with video games.
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Lanrutcon
Member
Imagine. It's 2020. Most powerful consoles ever are released. The technology is crazy. Gaming has never been bigger. Developers are producing mind-blowing products. Stories are being told that blur the line between entertainment and art. What a time to be alive...
...game runs at 30 fps.
What the fucking fuck.
...game runs at 30 fps.
What the fucking fuck.
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Let me ask you, would you rather have 60FPS that might go down to 50 - 40FPS or locked 30FPS? 60FPS is always better but depending what type of game devs want to make its not possible to get full 60FPS. For example games with physic heavy game, it might get lots of dips in FPS depending how chaotic the fights become, its better have lock 30FPS instead have 60FPS might get FPS dips during the fight.
Here is the thing Devs might use that "crazy tech" to make crazy details and even bigger open world while keep the FPS at 30 to achieve that. I feel like some you guys have little understanding of game development and living a dream land and this just not about tech, you guys also need think about budget and time, no developers is gonna do what Star Citizen doing and take their sweet time to make most high tech game.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
So this gen with tomb raider games on Xbox they had 2 options, the full 4k or 60fps I didn’t mind either tbh.
Also forz horizon ran at 4k 30fps and ran smooth as anything.
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Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
You will continue seeing most games running at 30 frames per second because the majority of consumers are okay with it and because it allows for some extra polish to the game's graphics versus if it were to run at double the framerate or higher.
Not to mention that for a lot of games, the graphics are what sells. What's the first thing people notice when a first-party studio from Sony or Microsoft show off their newest games in a gameplay demo? The graphics. Same with EA, Ubisoft and just about any AAA game development studio. It's not going to change.
Not to mention that for a lot of games, the graphics are what sells. What's the first thing people notice when a first-party studio from Sony or Microsoft show off their newest games in a gameplay demo? The graphics. Same with EA, Ubisoft and just about any AAA game development studio. It's not going to change.
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4k Checkerboard
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I mean 30fps next generation isn’t exactly a deal breaker for me, but I do understand what the OP is getting at. We already experienced 4k games this generation and even a few 4k 60fps games depending on your platform.
Seeing 4k again with 30fps or less could be a disappointment considering the much HYPED “ultra-power” specifications and rumored prices.
Seeing 4k again with 30fps or less could be a disappointment considering the much HYPED “ultra-power” specifications and rumored prices.
CuteFaceJay
Member
They will have some kind of frame quality settings I bet.
Input loop and physics can run at locked 60hz all of the time. And they should.
No matter how many fps is displayed 30 or 240.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Lol nope. The majority doesn't care about frames op.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
On the other hand a good game running at 60 is even better than a good game running at 30.
Fbh
Member
Nah.
Just like this gen it will depend on the game. Doom 2016 is a better game for sticking to 60fps on consoles as opposed to 30. But IMO games like Horizon or Uncharted or the Witcher3 would have been less memorable if they had sacrificed their awesome visuals for the sake of 60fps
Just like this gen it will depend on the game. Doom 2016 is a better game for sticking to 60fps on consoles as opposed to 30. But IMO games like Horizon or Uncharted or the Witcher3 would have been less memorable if they had sacrificed their awesome visuals for the sake of 60fps
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Shaqazooloo
Member
I hope OP is joking or he's going to be disappointed come November..
Soleil rouge
Member
I seriously can't tell whether you're joking or not....
hybrid_birth
Member
What if next gen games launch at 59fps.
Don't tank Sony financially now by not buying OP.
Don't tank Sony financially now by not buying OP.
sendit
Member
Developers do give you an option. On the PC that is.
Console Gamer: "I want 8K, solid 60FPS, 12 TF, and Ray Tracing. All for $399, anything more will be a no buy for me next-gen"
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Don't give devs an out guys. Demand better.
Devs complain about hardware power limiting what they can do. Don't give them this excuse every generation.
Every car refresh (about every 5 years) leads to better looking cars, better performing cars, more HP, more bells and whistles. Even a starter car like a Honda Civic is about 160 HP now. Who knew a Civic would be about 160. Googling it, my old Civic from the early 2000s had about 120. So even something like a Civic gets a boost in performance. What Honda could have done is say fuck you, it's 120 HP forever. We'll put the extra money from higher prices into better seats or sound system, but nope. Performance gets a boost too.
If PC games can run games with unlocked frames and sliders giving choice, demand console devs give more performance options like some games have a resolution or performance mode.
Problem is too many console gamers some reason enjoy 30 fps games. Imagine what the PC gaming community would do if their games were capped at 30 fps.
Devs complain about hardware power limiting what they can do. Don't give them this excuse every generation.
Every car refresh (about every 5 years) leads to better looking cars, better performing cars, more HP, more bells and whistles. Even a starter car like a Honda Civic is about 160 HP now. Who knew a Civic would be about 160. Googling it, my old Civic from the early 2000s had about 120. So even something like a Civic gets a boost in performance. What Honda could have done is say fuck you, it's 120 HP forever. We'll put the extra money from higher prices into better seats or sound system, but nope. Performance gets a boost too.
If PC games can run games with unlocked frames and sliders giving choice, demand console devs give more performance options like some games have a resolution or performance mode.
Problem is too many console gamers some reason enjoy 30 fps games. Imagine what the PC gaming community would do if their games were capped at 30 fps.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Would be nice to have option. My 4k monitor has 40-60 freesync so if I lock framerate to 58 fps then I always stay in freesync range and have perfect framepacing, no tearing and lower input lag. So if the game can't keep above 40, then I would lock to 30 or lower some detail.
I am worried that all the freesync games on consoles will not include hz-2 fps lock so the game will end up with slow vsync when it reaches screen refresh rate
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Launch them at 58 so they always stay within 40 to 60hz freesync range of 4k monitors!
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
OP isn't wrong but it's not gonna happen. 