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Next-gen is a failure if a single title launches at 30fps
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Well based on history for most developers more powerful system means, bigger open world, higher resolution, higher quality models and more extras like ray tracing other crap.
So chances are developers might choose 30FPS in order to add higher quality graphics.
I would like developers give us option lower the resolution in order to get smoother FPS.
So chances are developers might choose 30FPS in order to add higher quality graphics.
I would like developers give us option lower the resolution in order to get smoother FPS.
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Elektro Demon
Banned
I died when you called developers lazy.
But yeah, it's already failed. There's no question in my mind that you'll have 30fps games within the first year.
But yeah, it's already failed. There's no question in my mind that you'll have 30fps games within the first year.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
I wont buy any 30fps games next gen, some of us need to take a stand!....I wont buy any SJW inspired games either.
Thankfully Gamepass exists though to help decision making easier!
Thankfully Gamepass exists though to help decision making easier!
LordOfChaos
Member
Every generation brings a leap in power, and every time, it's a developers choice how to use it.
I expect to see a lot of 60fps games and even several dozens above it, but if a developer wants to use 33.3ms frame updates for applying twice as much GPU and CPU work to more impressive scenes with far more simulation? Hey, I'd be curious to see it.
I expect to see a lot of 60fps games and even several dozens above it, but if a developer wants to use 33.3ms frame updates for applying twice as much GPU and CPU work to more impressive scenes with far more simulation? Hey, I'd be curious to see it.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
I had no idea every dev works 19 hours a day 7 days a week. Please continue your delusions.
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thelastword
Banned
In as much as I'm an advocate for 60-120fps next gen......I think there will still be 30fps games and they will be impressive.....I do believe we will see much less games at 30 or sub 30fps compared to this gen...….The majority of the games will be stable 30fps or stable 60.....
Vawn
Banned
Framerate is not dependent on the hardware, it's dependent on the software.
Super Nintendo games ran at 60 FPS. Every game since could run at 60 FPS or higher, if that was the focus. Even XSeX and PS5 could have games that struggle for a consistent 30, if it isn't a priority by the game developer.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Try to leave your '99 man cave and interact with modern pc gaming.
reconminicon
Banned
OnThePathToWisdom
Member
Unlocked framerates should be an option now that adaptive sync is becoming more mainstream. TVs need to up their support.
I'd be fine if they were 30 fps. Anyone who preaches otherwise is a fool.
Let's be honest, 60 or more fps is just a stupid, smarmy, whitty, thing to preach about online to strangers so you sound sophisticated. Its like a high school kid giving some pedestrian interpretation of catcher in the rye to some middle schoolers so he sound savvy.
40 something fps is the optimal fps a human eye can full process. Anything beyond that begins to drastically become less noticeable. 35 to 45 is the optimal range. 99.5% of all movies are shot at 35fps and it's just fine for everyone because that is the speed at which the majority of people can see.
Any simple research into the biology of the human eye will tell you that. But reality gets trumped by what's cool to say.
So no we don't need more fps, what we really need is reliable fps, not more.
Let's be honest, 60 or more fps is just a stupid, smarmy, whitty, thing to preach about online to strangers so you sound sophisticated. Its like a high school kid giving some pedestrian interpretation of catcher in the rye to some middle schoolers so he sound savvy.
40 something fps is the optimal fps a human eye can full process. Anything beyond that begins to drastically become less noticeable. 35 to 45 is the optimal range. 99.5% of all movies are shot at 35fps and it's just fine for everyone because that is the speed at which the majority of people can see.
Any simple research into the biology of the human eye will tell you that. But reality gets trumped by what's cool to say.
So no we don't need more fps, what we really need is reliable fps, not more.
siekro1983
Banned
Microsoft seem to be heavily marketing higher frame rates. so they might push developers to give options like PC, and if they do have a 4 teraflop xbox then every game should run 60fps on x series.
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Chromata
Member
Agreed. If at any moment I see the fps drop below 60 on a next gen game, I'm done. I'll unplug my PS5, maul it with a sledgehammer, and ship its shattered remains straight back to Sony with a strongly worded letter. Then I'm going on strike until a law is passed that states all forms of interactive media must reach a minimum of 60fps or else the developers will go on public trial where they will be individually sentenced for their crimes. I mean really, it's 2020, I demand to be respected as a human being in the modern age. We can go to the moon but we can't have 60fps?
I dare you Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. ONE game. ONE moment. You will feel my wrath.
I dare you Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. ONE game. ONE moment. You will feel my wrath.
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As long as devs develop on static hardware, there will be 30fps games. It's a choice between performance vs. fidelity, it's that simple.
Well it doesn't make them lazy that's for sure.
Nobody puts a gun to their head to work those hours. 18 hour days, 7 day working weeks are illegal. So?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
You mean the modern PC gaming where AAA publishers still treat you like second class citizens?
I have a PC with a Ryzen 3600 and a 2060 Super. I'm well versed in the modern mustard race of gaming
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xpresstuning
Member
I'd miss the mods and the customizability.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Your problem is you have amd. That's like choosing to have problems.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Imagine thinking this in a post Ryzen world LMAO
ultrazilla
Gold Member
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Meh, that's really tame build, not sure how that holds up in year or two. But for now it's probably good enough. I have R9 3900X & RTX2070 and on 21:9 (3440x1400) sceen many games needs some sacrifice, to run in good FPS.
Bolivar687
Banned
I think there will always be a place for developers who want to push the boundaries of graphics and aesthetics and a 30fps framerate on consoles would be justified.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Calm your nipples champ. We're not here to flex how nerdy you are
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I am just saying that it's pretty bold to boast that you are well versed in PC Master Race : P
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I'm experiencing the underwhelming power of raytracing
That's about as modern as you get without going deeper in the Nvidia chump rabbit hole
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I've tried Control which I got with GPU and you have to cut a lot of settings, to just be playable. So I went back to x1X and somewhat it felt better, that the game "is how it is" and I can't do anything about it : D I have PC mainly for work.
I am suffering from this:
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jackets with pockets
Banned
Agreed completely.
By now, 60fps should be the universal minimum for games, as well as for movies, videos, TV and so on.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I've tried Control which I got with GPU and you have to cut a lot of settings, to just be playable. So I went back to x1X and somewhat it felt better, that the game "is how it is" and I can't do anything about it : D I have PC mainly for work.
I am suffering from this:
Good lad
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
It's so good to have a 60fps game with 4k .. but instead you may get a breathtaking game with 30fps that really depends on Devs .. still that doesn't mean a failure!
A real failure is when you see too many remasters and cross gen
A real failure is when you see too many remasters and cross gen
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
A good portion of games are 60 fps now.
The key culprits of making 30 fps gaming forever seem to be Sony, Rockstar, UBI and Bethesda where the majority of their games are 30.
In the current gen, virtually all games that are: racers, fighting, shooters, indies are 60. And probably half the action games are 60.
Here's hoping the cpu, ram an gpu boosts can turn those SP games into 60 fps games.
The key culprits of making 30 fps gaming forever seem to be Sony, Rockstar, UBI and Bethesda where the majority of their games are 30.
In the current gen, virtually all games that are: racers, fighting, shooters, indies are 60. And probably half the action games are 60.
Here's hoping the cpu, ram an gpu boosts can turn those SP games into 60 fps games.
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tflopsmatter
Banned
I actually don't want to buy a game if it plays at sixty frames per second. I consider that a waste of resources. All I care about is the best possible graphics at thirty frames per second and 1080P. I've been watching television all my life at 30FPS. My hope is that there will be some developers who realize that with the power of the PS5 they can make almost photorealistic games if they don't waste the power on framerate and resolution.
tflopsmatter
Banned
That makes them heroes. I believe we should strive to make truly photorealistic games at lower resolutions before wasting power to go for high frame rate and high resolution.
existensmaximum
Member
Opinions: there are more than one. Shocking, I know.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Fully agree.
Nickolaidas
Member
Here's a little hint:
You can make a 120 TFs console and it STILL will have games running at 30fps.
You can have a 0.000000001 TF console and it can STILL be able to have games run at 60fps.
You can make a 120 TFs console and it STILL will have games running at 30fps.
You can have a 0.000000001 TF console and it can STILL be able to have games run at 60fps.
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Knightime_X
Member
To push that hard they're gonna need to budget for that with a ton of development time.
They have a shitload of overhead to work with this time.
Also with this much power it's impossible to NOT offer a 60fps performance option.
Maybe I’m old but 30 FPS games look and feel pretty smooth and good to me. The caveat is that it looks like shit when there’s frame rate dips (e.g., Witcher 3 Novgorod).
If next gen runs games at 30 FPS with zero dips below ever, at 4K, no load times, and smoothly with tons of NPCs I’d be pretty happy. Of course, I just play single player rpgs and walking simulators (and maybe a little From Software) so I doubt I speak for most NEOGafers.
If next gen runs games at 30 FPS with zero dips below ever, at 4K, no load times, and smoothly with tons of NPCs I’d be pretty happy. Of course, I just play single player rpgs and walking simulators (and maybe a little From Software) so I doubt I speak for most NEOGafers.
V4skunk
Banned
Most devs have never done a real hard days work in their lives. Fact.
siekro1983
Banned
Most ambitious open world games on consoles are 30fps. zelda, monster hunter, dark souls, sekiro and witcher 3.
Codes 208
Member
They had a shitload of overhead coming into this gen and we still got plenty of 30fps. Again, this isnt new. Developers will push for what they want their game to be, whether its performance or graphics.
there are of course plenty of devs now pushing for 60fps as a standard and i commend those devs, but suggesting next gen requires 60fps to be successful is downright childish.
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I like 60FPS as much as the next guy but if people expecting me skip a game because it doesn't run at 60FPS are out of their mind.
Nickolaidas
Member
Take. Your. Horse. Shit. Else. Where.