lock2k
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then dont play games like that you fucking muppet, i dont play looter shooters cause i hate em
then dont play games like that you fucking muppet, i dont play looter shooters cause i hate em
Translation: “I’m a big boy who only plays big boy games! It’s totally to not cover up my own inadequacies. Really! I AM A BIG BOY!”tbf the haters are all full of shit and shouldnt be playing games of this calibre, exactly why i stay the fuck away from kiddie shit like Minecraft
I mean realistically about 8000-9000 new games are released each year (and many many many more on mobile, but I didn't count those games) and how many games would fit that description you made?
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'Have you played the game?'
That’s cool. You’re free to like it, but that doesn’t mean that that don’t are wrong or toxicThanks for sharing your subjective opinion. TLOU2 is my favorite game and I enjoyed it multiple times and I will enjoy it again and toxic opinions from online people who don't understand/like it won't change it.
From my perspective it sounds like this situation sucks for you, because you don't get to cherish what I got to cherish. Sorry to hear that mate, but there are plenty other games out there for you. They might not have the quality of Naughty Dog games, but that is your problem I guess.
Best game I have ever played and I hate that SJW shit.In with The Last of Is Part 2 is the Game of the Generation before the floodgates open.
This is a fact regardless of YouTuber opinions. Mash that like button and butt chug that subscribe button with my hot take.
Yeah, you seem like the type that responds better to a linear, go in one direction cinematic shooter rather than a game that is only limited by your imagination and your ability to think. I can't imagine how much of a struggle thinking must be for you. You've shown your lack of thought process by comparing two games that aren't even close to being in the same category.tbf the haters are all full of shit and shouldnt be playing games of this calibre, exactly why i stay the fuck away from kiddie shit like Minecraft
I've refrained form jumping in as I've still to play this on the PS5. Waiting for that smoothness. I'm not bothered about spoilers etc.
But I think from after having watch many pros/cons videos I think it sounds like the story was written 'around' two key points. Which was the surgeon ambiguity and the 'cycle of revenge' tagline. I get the impression that these were the core things and messages they wanted to get people to get from the game so everything is focused around driving that home.
Whereas the first didn't really have that heaviness around it. It felt like I discovered TLOU I much in the way it was probably organically pieced together. I guess TLOU I feels more authentically a story, whereas TLOU II seems to collapse on itself by making the story fit the themes and takeaways they wanted the player ot have. However, I'm happy to review this when I get round to it around xmas. Just going off a lot of stuff I've seen.
I'm glad most agree on the gameplay being a massive step up though.
This should be super interesting, especially since Bruce Straley (TLOU1's Game Director) loved this dude's "Red Dead 2 is Outdated" video.
I'm not sure I agree: the indie scene is proof alone that tons of new game mechanics are just waiting to be found. I think the issue has more to do with the AAA game business model, which on principle resists innovation.Life comes at you fast.
Seems to me this "game design is outdated" phrase has become a trendy thing to say lately. And then, you look at all the massive AAA games of the industry and you can put that silly label in all of them too if you want to.
It's really, really, really hard to make something new with videogame mechanics and design. Let's see if the next gen brings something new to the table -so far after seeing the PS5 gameplays doesn't seem like it though-.
I'm not sure I agree: the indie scene is proof alone that tons of new game mechanics are just waiting to be found.
Highly disagree: you should really try more indies. Innovation's out there: it just hasn't been financially viable for use in AAA.I feel like most of the "new game mechanics" of the indie scene aren't really that new, they are just presented in a different way.
I think we have reached a level in which is really really hard to bring something new to the table to gaming. Maybe with VR we can find new ways of doing videogames.
That’s cool. You’re free to like it, but that doesn’t mean that that don’t are wrong or toxic
and the corniest comment goes to...And who is this guy to say what is outdated in game design?
-Uncharted and TLOU aren't about great stories, they are bog standard. They deliver great characters who have wonderful chemistry. Nate and Sully, Nate and Elena, The entire TLOU cast was pretty great but especially Joel and Ellie.
Agreed. When people get shocked when the fact TLOU has a 'meh' story and can't believe anyone would say that, I always ask if it's the story they love or the characters and their interactions - TLOU was a "meh" story with great character interactions.
To be fair, the story does peak a little when David/Nolan North's arc begins, but part of the shock value of that arc is undermined by it being a tired post-apoc trope as well.
I just think people generally don't appreciate how the general structure and rhythm of progression in most games only works when wrapped in very particular stories and story structures.
In simple terms most games are plotted around an unchanging "mission" format, the story unfolding in an episodic fashion that's repeats cyclically with some degree of variation along the way. Its comfortable and familiar, and even if the big-bad gets switched the essential premise of the gameplay remains intact.
**TLOU2 Spoilers ahead**
TLOU2 I feel throws people because it violates the "mission" ( Ellie's revenge) by building initially to an anticlimax, then introducing a whole new "mission" (Abby's redemption arc) that in sentiment is the polar opposite of the first, even though the gameplay aspect remains consistent. By the time the third-act rolls around on the face of it the player is supposed to resume the initial "mission" that the second act has spent its entire duration undermining!
The thing is, the story that's being told makes sense on a narrative level, and its actually quite an interesting and merit worthy thing to try. The problem is that this story breaks the fundamental "mission" conceit and detaches some players as a result. The goal they thought they were chasing has been subverted and nullified giving them no "hook" to pull them through.
In essence I think the problem is that ND hold on so tight to the reins of the plot, that they don't allow the player to make the "mistake" that is the central mcguffin of the story, and as a result they don't really process it. They just watch it unfold.
Um. “Toxic opinions from people who do not like it” is as close to saying that as possible. Unless you have Alzheimer’s and don’t remember posting thatI agree and never said that people who disagree are wrong/toxic.
"Naughty Dog's formula is outdated"
Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Madden, NBA 2K, FIFA games are all nearly the same.
I agree. The main problem is using "I want to get back and see what happens to Ellie" as the main motivating factor to move the plot along for a huge stretch.I just think people generally don't appreciate how the general structure and rhythm of progression in most games only works when wrapped in very particular stories and story structures.
In simple terms most games are plotted around an unchanging "mission" format, the story unfolding in an episodic fashion that's repeats cyclically with some degree of variation along the way. Its comfortable and familiar, and even if the big-bad gets switched the essential premise of the gameplay remains intact.
**TLOU2 Spoilers ahead**
TLOU2 I feel throws people because it violates the "mission" ( Ellie's revenge) by building initially to an anticlimax, then introducing a whole new "mission" (Abby's redemption arc) that in sentiment is the polar opposite of the first, even though the gameplay aspect remains consistent. By the time the third-act rolls around on the face of it the player is supposed to resume the initial "mission" that the second act has spent its entire duration undermining!
The thing is, the story that's being told makes sense on a narrative level, and its actually quite an interesting and merit worthy thing to try. The problem is that this story breaks the fundamental "mission" conceit and detaches some players as a result. The goal they thought they were chasing has been subverted and nullified giving them no "hook" to pull them through.
In essence I think the problem is that ND hold on so tight to the reins of the plot, that they don't allow the player to make the "mistake" that is the central mcguffin of the story, and as a result they don't really process it. They just watch it unfold.
This thread is pretty fucking toxic, and it’s not from the TLOU2 fans.That’s cool. You’re free to like it, but that doesn’t mean that that don’t are wrong or toxic
If this game is your high bar, I think you should play more games…a lot more.Best game I have ever played and I hate that SJW shit.
Such an Emotionally charged response over a video game that broke all sorts of records and got 10/10s across the board by reviewing sites. Why does my opinion hurt you so?This thread is pretty fucking toxic, and it’s not from the TLOU2 fans.
Its been 4 months. It’s time to move on and stop caring so much about a game you all claim to dislike, and many of you never played.
”Well I don’t like Naughty Dogs design choices.” Good for you. Now fuck off
This thread is pretty fucking toxic, and it’s not from the TLOU2 fans.
Its been 4 months. It’s time to move on and stop caring so much about a game you all claim to dislike, and many of you never played.
”Well I don’t like Naughty Dogs design choices.” Good for you. Now fuck off
I agree. The main problem is using "I want to get back and see what happens to Ellie" as the main motivating factor to move the plot along for a huge stretch.
They then try to slide in -getting you to empathise for Abby- as you are waiting for this to happen.
And they do this by mainly getting you to feel sorry for her, not by making her likeable. This is a huge mistake IMO. They seem to have confused empathy for sympathy.
Generally ND want you to pity these characters rather than getting you to empathise with them, like the first game.
Look how hard they have it -- rather than look how resilient they are -- It's a big difference in storytelling and I think what put a lot of people off.
Sure, let's just shut the board down while we're at it because discussion hurts your feelings. How about you just avoid these threads instead and stop whining.This thread is pretty fucking toxic, and it’s not from the TLOU2 fans.
Its been 4 months. It’s time to move on and stop caring so much about a game you all claim to dislike, and many of you never played.
”Well I don’t like Naughty Dogs design choices.” Good for you. Now fuck off
Why is it whenever someone calls out bullshit, it has to be because their feelings are hurt?Sure, let's just shut the board down while we're at it because discussion hurts your feelings. How about you just avoid these threads instead and stop whining.
It’s the same shit reply over and over.Such an Emotionally charged response over a video game that broke all sorts of records and got 10/10s across the board by reviewing sites. Why does my opinion hurt you so?
please take oneWhy is it whenever someone calls out bullshit, it has to be because their feelings are hurt?
I’ll think I will stay here and comment, watching people like you freak out over a game they claim not to care about.
It’s the same shit reply over and over.
This thread is pretty fucking toxic, and it’s not from the TLOU2 fans.
Its been 4 months. It’s time to move on and stop caring so much about a game you all claim to dislike, and many of you never played.
”Well I don’t like Naughty Dogs design choices.” Good for you. Now fuck off