DemDereNads
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AniHawk said:
Ya, sorry... when you have three people who write 3-4 lines about a game and slap some random number on it that isn't close to the other reviewers, I would call that useless.
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Ya, sorry... when you have three people who write 3-4 lines about a game and slap some random number on it that isn't close to the other reviewers, I would call that useless.
DemDereNads
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Billy Rygar said:
So you believe THAT many professional reviewers actually LIKED a "game" like Nintendogs? Enough to go home and play it after the review was all said and done?
I believe they saw the merits of what it was... a Pet sim. Something Nintendogs does fairly well and warrants the 8s-9s it got.
evilromero
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Luigi's Mansion sequel? Hot if true. The Wiimote would be perfect for this game.
Ghengis Cohen
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Holy shit I'm a professional dev. and many of my colleagues who are ****ing game elitists if you ever seen it liked Nintendogs immensely. So bad example.
DemDereNads
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AniHawk said:
I dunno... I think getting a 9 from Edge speaks much louder than what some joke publication says about the game. But that's just me.
Ghengis Cohen
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Christ almighty I am no advocate of numeriacal reviews but are you guys suggesting that you would prefer lockstep conformity to reviewers being able to say if they enjoyed a game or not?
Reilly said:
How? I've been hyped for Dead Rising for months but I knew in the end this would not score 9+ on a reviewers scale. Our enjoyment from this game is going to be far greater than an average joe who will pick it up, beats it in 3 hours and never play it again. Just because your hyped for a game it doesn't mean you expect it to get amazing scores everywhere. I'm hyped for Disgaea 2 as well but I knew it would get the kind of scores EGM gave it.
A pretty good and expected score. It'll be interesting to see what the review text says.
Hahahh DIE.
One reviewer probably loves Disgaea and the other is probably really bored of it.
YES BUY DAY ONE.
Still low scores after all the "fixes" to the North American version. The review text will be interesting.
Yay. I'll buy this.
I don't know anything about this game, but what bizarre scores.
Sounds to me like Mr.4.5 wanted jumping controls that were good. This game will be fairly polarizing so the review text should be good to read.
Clever Pun
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it's probably been posted ( I didn't read the whole thread), but Jeremy Parish (toastyfrog) gave UGnG the 4.5 - and he defends himself here: http://toastyfrog.com/verbalspew/archives/archive_2006-m08.php#e166
He's not just saying "it's too hard".
He's not just saying "it's too hard".
Toastyfrog said:
DemDereNads
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Billy Rygar said:
All I'm saying is it's pretty apparent with typical reviewers what a 10 is, what a 9 is, what an 8 is, etc.
Yes, there obviously has to be some opinion in a review, but I believe there should be more objectiveness than opinion.
Perhaps I have some crazy gift where I'm able to shove my bias aside and see a game for what it is rather than giving something a terrible review because I don't particularly like it. I actually think Nintendogs deserves the 8s it got, but haven't given the game any more attention after watching my fiance play it for 10-15 minutes.
DemDereNads
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AniHawk said:
I'll take consistency over a random number generator.
DemDereNads
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AniHawk said:
Oh no, please don't get cwanky. :lol
Say what you want... I've already said I have zero interest in playing Nintendogs, but from what I've seen, the game is a pet sim, and does the whole pet sim thing very well, and there for deserves higher than average scores.
Ghengis Cohen
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Edge is a computer that scores games using the same system used for figure skating.AniHawk said:
alright, i lied: i did read this thread. but one credit and some three levels into goku makaimura, i can say that toastyfrog's 4 point whatever shouldn't be reckoned as wrong -- it should be reckoned as ungrateful. it's an obviously great game with all the exuberance and excess that marks a labor of love, and to respond with a 4 is churlish. i'll post some more about makaimura later, but i don't mean to read toastyfrog's review or say any more about it.
and it doesn't seem particularly hard in original mode. shrug.
and it doesn't seem particularly hard in original mode. shrug.
Meh, to me he is, he's just trying to hide it by flowering his explanations up. I just took a quick glance at the rest of his site, and he seems to do that a lot, his opinions come off shallow and forced. We'll see for sure in his full review I guess.Clever Pun said:
He's a 1UP editor right? Who is he again?
Billy Rygar said:
I have no idea what solution you could implement but the 3 review scores defeats the purpose of the review, which is to give a general impression of what the game is like and if it is worth playing.
take "Deep Labyrinth - 2.0, 3.0, 7.5" or "Dance Factory - 3.0, 7.0, 2.0"
which do I go with? the guys saying it's crap or the ones saying it's above average, because going by those scores it is a total failure of a game ridden with problems but features solid gameplay and content that is definitely worth considering if you are a fan of the genre.
Ghengis Cohen
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It means tread lightly. That is all.Zenith said:
Mana Knight
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EGM aren't even gamers IMO. They seem to hate most everything these days. In the past, I'd rarely see them give games lower than a 6.
svenuce said:
No magazine has the final word. Ultimately the final word is on you. If you are on the fence about it then rent the game first and see what happens through there.
For example when I wanted a game for my Gamecube (did not have a PS2 yet) I chose Ultimate Muscle having no idea what to expect. Checked magazine reviews really quick when I got home that day and it scores painfully average reviews like 6 - 7. 70 hours of gameplay later can't say I really agreed with what any magazine said about the game.
Anyway, I'd love for another Luigi's Mansion sequel. Make it longer, let it have more variety and I am game. Game should be ideal for the wii remote, IMO.
DemDereNads
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Mana Knight said:
Ya... if a game is getting in the 4 and below range, the game better be bug ridden and unplayable.
i wonder whether anyone will ever put so much effort into a game of this style again -- it's probably going to sell badly. "again?" i can't believe they did it once -- playing goku makaimura, it's difficult to believe that it exists. as much as i like new smb, that game seemed very conscious of its status as a revived classic -- goku makaimura just goes about the business of expanding on some great old games, and doesn't seem anxious about anything. here i am personifying new smb and goku makaimura. but it's hard to describe, and i'm sure i'll say sillier things before i've stopped trying.
i think duckroll mentioned it, but the thorn whip is great -- professor f went and revived castlevania too.
i think duckroll mentioned it, but the thorn whip is great -- professor f went and revived castlevania too.
DemDereNads said:
What? Are you saying that if a game has been competently put together, even if it's crap, it should get an average score?
Some of you don't seem to understand the concept of the review. It might help if you looked at the text and not just the score. Having wildly different scores just means that people have different opinions on it and this provides a variety of viewpoints.
DemDereNads
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Swordian said:
Well if it's crap, then that would place it in the "unplayable" category.
C- Warrior
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(double post)
C- Warrior
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If so many people here are saying "EGM am the suck" why are they putting much weight on non-indicitive scores in the first place for Dead Rising. EGM is a source for reviews but it's only one source. Why don't you wait on what others think?
Furthermore, the avg is a 7.5 -- that really doesn't tell you much, especially to comparison to N3 getting a 4.5 avg, (i think, didn't double check the scores) which says it's a universal piece of shit.
You also have to remember the reason for score deduction for Dead Rising could be for things you give two shits about -- for example the lack of some sort of online gameplay, which wouldn't surprise me considering it's almost become standard for 360 games thusfar.
Furthermore, the avg is a 7.5 -- that really doesn't tell you much, especially to comparison to N3 getting a 4.5 avg, (i think, didn't double check the scores) which says it's a universal piece of shit.
You also have to remember the reason for score deduction for Dead Rising could be for things you give two shits about -- for example the lack of some sort of online gameplay, which wouldn't surprise me considering it's almost become standard for 360 games thusfar.
Don't we get this every month with EGM.
Don't look at the highest score, lowest score, or average. You're going to have to actually read the review.
For example, suppose there's a game called Game Y, sequel to Game X:
One reviewer may have never played Game X and gives Game Y a 7.
One reviewer loves Game X and gave Game Y a 9.
One reviewer hates Game X and gave Game Y a 5.
You're just going to have to read the review to see how you identify with the reviewer. That's why I like the three person review system. It provides different perspectives.
Don't look at the highest score, lowest score, or average. You're going to have to actually read the review.
For example, suppose there's a game called Game Y, sequel to Game X:
One reviewer may have never played Game X and gives Game Y a 7.
One reviewer loves Game X and gave Game Y a 9.
One reviewer hates Game X and gave Game Y a 5.
You're just going to have to read the review to see how you identify with the reviewer. That's why I like the three person review system. It provides different perspectives.