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How much different will X1 and PS4 multiplats be visually?
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Interesting, but not sure what he means by:
"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers?"
Except MS didn't do that. And neither did Sony. Neither has a Titan inside. They split the baby. He's speaking like a true programmer, but not necessarily a business man. Both MS and Sony had to make comprises to their components to bring their consoles in at a competitive price.
Want to know what I believe the difference is between the two? Kinect and the MS exclusives like the NFL partnership. These cost money and I believe MS had to make a compromise in components to make the console cost effective. This has led to a less powerful console graphics-wise than the PS4. Will it make any difference? Who knows, but to ignore that the PS4 has the potential for better graphics is just silly. The numbers do not lie.
Gemüsepizza
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I did not say that it has a bigger polycount. I meant it had a different polycount, because, guess what - they are not the same game.
Of course devs will use the same assets, the improvements on PS4 versions will be in smoothness of framerates and image quality. These differences will be noticeable from day 1, they will only grow larger as the generation continues.
CassidyIzABeast
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You're not going to see a 40% difference in these games man. I'm sorry but you're just not.
The good of ps4 30-40% stronger gpu is not in graphics details or effects but be able to have with same graphics quality 30-40 % more players with different models and texture before frame drops under 30.
Next gen will be open worlds , mmo , etc environments that aren't controllable by devs like in fixed number of players games we got this gen.
When you can jump from one character on screen to 50+ in few seconds all with different models and textures ,xbox slow memory + little cache can't work even if coded from gods.
If played mmos on pc and did a gpu upgrades you saw the difference, iit's not high framerates most of the time that matter but not go to slideshow mode or freeze when a lot of characters/models sudden appear on screen what is gamebreaking.
Massive memory space and high constant bandwith is what massive online games ask for , xbox one will just fall all time to 1/3 ps4 memory speed when really matter in a mmorpg.
Next gen will be open worlds , mmo , etc environments that aren't controllable by devs like in fixed number of players games we got this gen.
When you can jump from one character on screen to 50+ in few seconds all with different models and textures ,xbox slow memory + little cache can't work even if coded from gods.
If played mmos on pc and did a gpu upgrades you saw the difference, iit's not high framerates most of the time that matter but not go to slideshow mode or freeze when a lot of characters/models sudden appear on screen what is gamebreaking.
Massive memory space and high constant bandwith is what massive online games ask for , xbox one will just fall all time to 1/3 ps4 memory speed when really matter in a mmorpg.
What the heck is a 40% difference? And why does it matter? If it means 10-15 FPS difference or noticeable IQ, who wouldn't want that?
Off-Kilter
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Negligible difference at launch, but I predict the gap will grow wider and more noticeable as the generation wears on.
You convinced me.
What is that even supposed to mean?
How would you quantify a 40% difference, you need to do that before you say you won't see it.
nhlducks35
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Why not?
Gemüsepizza;80174989 said:
so if the average joe gamer...cant compare two driving games...let me guess you saying that u think that the 98% of gamers....will take the dynamic lightin vs pre backed..as a point to buy a console?
gemusepizza if with 40% of more power the average joe dosnt feel the differences....theres no difference...for him
Pre-order cancelled.
SmoothRunningGun
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I would expect a better frame rate in ps4 versions of games like watchdogs, etc. Maybe more visual effects. Digital foundry is going have a field day.
I'm spanish (and I can read the article) and I say ... lol
CassidyIzABeast
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I've been wondering the same thing.
Cthulhu_Steev
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I'm surprised!
haha
you mean in driveclub or knack in particular?
im italian and i traslated in english (coz it traslate better) and i find this one a nice explanation of how move engine works
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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In 3rd party games? There might be slight differences in favor of the PS4 but I don't believe there will be dramatic differences.
1st party games will be where that added PS4 power is apparent.
1st party games will be where that added PS4 power is apparent.
I think it's a reasonable assessment with the exceptions of textures and particles, higher quality textures will be made for PC and I expect them to be used in PS4 most likely higher density of particles too, I don't think there's going to be different character models or anything like that, but because the difference is regarding the pure power of the consoles rather than the developers being able to tackle the difficulty of the hardware due to the easy to program design in both consoles I expect the difference to be more standardized than this gen.
It will always be a stronger PS4 version and always by around the same amount, rather than this gens varying degree of differences.
He has a thing for trashing those 2 games, its his go to post.
sorry you was talking about multiplats...my fault
if he is a dev mean that explanation is a shit?
Lordwindowlicker
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I'm going to get this off my chest.. I fucking hate the word "multiplat". Have gamers really gotten so lazy that they refuse to type 'form' at the end? Jesus...
Evolution Studios' last game was released in February 2012 while Turn10's last game was released in October 2011.
That's why Forza looks better. It has nothing to do with the console.
CadetMahoney
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The differences will be even wider in these types of games and consumer satisfaction will go to an all-time low for xboners after about a 2 years of losing every face-off but paying the same game price for inferior results. Being stealth-reminded of it in every thread too which is fair game. "hay gais which vers1on shud I geT?", *posts screenshot.
pretty much.
theviolenthero
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I understand their are more to graphics than just resolution and frame-rate (i've been gaming since the late 1980's) but obviously 99% of people only care about those two things when they're comparing multi-plats.
As far as the rest of your post goes, i actually agree with everything you said except for the very last sentence, "No reason not to take advantage of that". I just honestly do not believe that 3rd parties will put in the extra effort & money on PS4 versions even though it's a more powerful system. I think they will take the cheaper route which is doing straight ports.
TetraGenesis
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Totes. Obvi.
Lordwindowlicker
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You're not a nice person.
ThePowerofX
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I read this in Al Pacino's voice, as his empire slowly crumbles around him.
"YOU'RE NOTHING WITHOUT ME.... NOTHING!"
Appeal to authority much.
If that's the case, then I'll just buy the better version. I still don't think multiplatform games are going to see that kind of difference this gen. Small 5 fps differences like in this gen didn't get people to not buy or play games on the PS3. Even if they dialed back resolutions or other effects (also like a few games this gen), it may not make a difference to someone who wants to play with people on their friendslist. I know plenty of people here had no problem playing Bayonetta or RDR on PS3.
Metroid-Squadron
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Can't wait for the analysis from DF. It's going to be amazing.
Chobel
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Pack it up guys, Albert Penello has spoken
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