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Gary Oldman responds to Anti-Semitic charges from the Anti-Defamation League
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Gary Oldman has been one of my favorite actors for a long time but he always struck me as lacking a certain amount of social awareness from the interviews I've seen. Like when he bragged about being the highest paid actor in the world. I'm not sure he realizes how he comes across, or maybe he just doesn't care.
When I read the initial comments mentioning Baldwin and Gibson I wondered if he might be totally unaware as to just how far down the rabbit-hole went with Gibson. The two situations aren't analogous in the least.
RiccochetJ
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Wait. What?
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Why should he? Fifth Element was garbage.
Laughing Banana
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He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Hahahaha.
Damn, and he always was and still is a pleasure to watch too. I guess he just really didn't give a fuck, hahaha.
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He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
I thought he liked Beethoven?
Earthpainting
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"The Jewish People, persecuted thorough the ages, are the first to hear God’s voice, and surely are the chosen people."
Oh you. You left out the part about the dashing good looks, and what a genuine pleasure it is to hang out with the chosen people, whom are known for their kind and forgiving nature to questionable statements about them.
Oh you. You left out the part about the dashing good looks, and what a genuine pleasure it is to hang out with the chosen people, whom are known for their kind and forgiving nature to questionable statements about them.
A number of people have given their thoughts earlier in the thread.
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Hmm it makes you wonder why he likes the script of Planet Of The Apes so much.
You mean 'prejudiced'. Being Jewish isn't a race like Blacks, Whites, or Asians. You can be black and be jewish, so on and so forth.
Jedeye Sniv
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Any public apology by a media figure is a forced apology though, it's how the game is played. He said something daft, apologises, they need to accept it. The only thing that not accepting it achieves is keeping the story in the media for a bit longer.
Personally I think it's a shame that Oldman is a new race pariah, I don't think he deserves it. He said some things in poor judgement, probably generalised a bit too much. He had an unpopular opinion, all this internet dogpiling seems a bit much.
Personally I think it's a shame that Oldman is a new race pariah, I don't think he deserves it. He said some things in poor judgement, probably generalised a bit too much. He had an unpopular opinion, all this internet dogpiling seems a bit much.
The Spacepope
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Amazing. Gary Oldman is a genius :bow
LOL! This geniunely made me laugh. +1 to you, sir.
Umm, it's both a religion and an ethnicity, unlike Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Weird that he would be so dismissive of such good roles.
I should be more annoyed about Harry Potter but I always felt something was off about him as Sirius Black. Probably the fact he looked much older than he was supposed to.
If he did he should be fired.
This is ridiculous and is getting blown way out of proportion. I didn't even take his comments initially as anti-semitic whatsoever, the stuff he did say about Jews running Hollywood seemed to be more in the context of the Mel Gibson / Alec Baldwin situation than what he felt was true or not. Are the ADL so thin-skinned and ready for a fight they demanded an apology over that???
Meh, most actors hate there work so it's not shocking really.He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Holy shit, someone that actually gets it. Thank you for typing this out say that I don't have to.
I'm just sick of the pitchfork culture. So many people are too ready to turn on someone for what they think the person wanted to say instead of understanding what the person actually said.
BaronLundi
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Why he actually doesn't get it at all has been adressed multiple times in this thread and in countless others so you probably did well not reiterating the same misconstruction of what has actually been said and meant.
Basically it boils down to: a number of individuals who happen to be Jewish and working for their own interest (the reality) /= an alleged "Jewish community" working for Jewish interests (the stereotype).
The self interest of individuals in an industry with a heavy tilt towards jewish executives are sufficient for there to be a significant bias for jewish interests in Hollywood.
It'd be difficult to argue otherwise. Taking the worst construction of an idea and castigating people over it... well, that's the kind of thing self-interested people do (in this case, the self interest of the self-righteous and the need to feel that sweet sweet rush of hate).
BaronLundi
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It's actually very simple to argue otherwise. What exactly are those alleged Jewish interests in Hollywood? Why, if they even exist, would automatically there be a bias? Why do you assume that Jewish executives would always act in the interest of a supposedly existing Jewish community above all things, including even their own private interests? Why the confusion between the two? Do you also assume that someone who is gay always act first and foremost in consideration of the LGBT's interests? Same goes wih Christian, Muslims, Blacks, whoever you want...
Sweet sweet intellectually dishonesty backing up wrong and harmful stereotypes.
Because you'd have to actively work against your own internal biases to be unbiased.
Why would they work for the jewish community first and foremost? And why can't their private interests include interest for their jewish community?
No, I simply assume that people that are affiliated with those groups will in some situations act in self interest in a manner that ends up benefiting those groups as a byproduct of their own self-interested action.
Well, no. It's intellectual honesty to want to understand the state of affairs objectively even when it goes against ones own biases.
BaronLundi
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Fair enough. That's a very long way from "being blacklisted by the Jewish community which runs Hollywood" which was Oldman's assertion though.
It's not though. It's a poor way of wording it (leaving oneself open to deliberately been misconstrued and misinterpreted)... but in practice - self interested jewish men aren't likely to be too interested in hiring a man that's made anti-semitic remarks. And when most of studios are controlled by jewish men... it's not a huge stretch to realize that even if it does arise out of simple self-interest, you make the wrong remarks and you'll be 'blacklisted' in Hollywood.
And if they're anything like normal men, they'll find it easier to hate the idea of racists and bigots than to make the effort to actually understand and forgive a person. Especially when they have external social-cultural-economic motivations to not forgive.
So basically, yeah, if you make anti-semitic remarks in Hollywood, you're going to have a hard time finding further success there.
BaronLundi
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Well we agree save for the misconstruction part. Here's what he said:
Oldman said:
He didn't say Gibson pissed off Jewish executives who aren't too keen on antisemitic drivels, he said that the town is run by Jews (bullshit stereotype regardless of the number of Jews working there otherwise he would never have committed the Passion) and that Gibson said the wrong things because he's bitten the hand that fed him (ie they were not wrong because they were antisemitic mind you, they were wrong because they went against what he perceives are the Jewish master's policy...).
Terrible (and unequivocal) wording. Let alone the sarcastic apology that only confirms and furthers the initial impression.
dripdripsplash
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I just realized this sounds extremely sarcastic hahahah
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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They will surely get the karkland.
DoktorEvil
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Relax there buddy. I went to Catholic school my whole life until I went to college that was predominantly Jewish. It's not like that's something I'm going to ask my friends.
I've heard the banking stereotype but the media and Hollywood one I haven't.
Has anyone considered that where judism and where Jews live, there'll be a more likelihood that they're be Jewish enterprise and success?
I can tell you from visiting family in the south and Midwest they're big on Christianity. Not exactly the best place to raise a Jewish family. NY is one of the big cities where judism and the ultra orthodox Hasidic Jews can practice and live in some peace. Israelis are also in large numbers in the coast cities.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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. . . What are you talking about? This is an incredibly bizarre interpretation of what seemed like a pretty simple to understand statement.
He said Gibson made anti semetic remarks while working in an industry where most of the people in power are Jewish and that's why he was blacklisted.
This has nothing to do with what you call a perceived "policy" and everything to do with Jewish people not wanting to work with him (the same as any group would feel like with a person who has openly displayed bigotry against them) and because they are in many power positions and networking and connections are huge in Hollywood, he's effectively barred from working there (blacklisted)
Not saying it's only Jewish people that were offended but you act like this sort of situation is unique to anti-semites. All it takes is to look at politics and party divisions that can work in similar ways. If a republican came out as a staunch Obamacare supporter and was pro-choice and had other typically anti-Republican views he'd be ostracized as well. Not exactly the same as blatant bigotry but the reaction would be similar enough
That seemed, obviously, a bit forced. I personally don't see the big deal in his original comments, not enough to raise the pitchforks and the torches anyway.
Well, that's just too bad.
It's called PR. Much like this apology!
He doesn't like the Dark Knight too.
Get Him!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...cal-Correctness-Calls-Dark-Knight-Movies-Work
Well, that's just too bad.
It's called PR. Much like this apology!
Narpas Sword0
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Is bias needed to explain not wanting to work with a guy who says one ethnicity is at fault for all wars? Is that comment best described as "biting the hand that feeds you"? Is it best to describe an entire ethnic group as "the hand"? Because that is what Oldman chose to do.
I am not Jewish but I would not want to work with someone who says "Are you a Jew? Jews are responsible for all wars on the earth." This is because that comment is repugnant and fuck the person who says it, not because I am in lock-step with some cabal of overlords who act as a unit to specifically control everyone's career. That implication is an insta-Godwin.
I don't understand how people assume this was written by PR. It's such a blatant and obvious 'screw you'. He had to have written this himself. It's so condescending and backhanded.
He's a horribly bigoted jackass, he's sticking to his guns, and I highly doubt you will ever see an actual apology come from him.
He's a horribly bigoted jackass, he's sticking to his guns, and I highly doubt you will ever see an actual apology come from him.
We aren't the chosen people.
That's because the bagels and delis in New York City are the best. There would be a large contingent of Jews in Kansas if the bagels and delis were top notch.
An that's ignoring the history of profession-based demonization the Jews have suffered even in recent memory (banking, lending, jewelry etc - especially as it relates to WWII).
When you say that a specific group "runs" something, it sounds exclusionary. As though in this case, Jews run the industry at the exclusion of everyone else. The irony of a protestant brit making that assertion while invoking an Australian catholic is obvious.
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