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How can anyone think the PS5 is costing anything less than 600 - 700 USD?
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Bonfires Down
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Because we're not crazy.
Vawn
Banned
Tons of people would. Did you not see the gameplay tech demo today? I'll pay whatever it costs.
Sony's talented first-party studios working on that kind of hardware? You'd be insane to skip out on that.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I'd be shocked if MS would willingly give SONY a price advantage. They did it before with XBOX One and it didn't work out great.
Vawn
Banned
I don't. Not after today. I think they'll be priced the same.
Microsoft can't afford to be more than PS5. They just can't. The PlayStation brand is just too strong and after that demo, no one possibly believes that PS5 is underpowered.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
How much do you expect MS to eat per box sold?
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Based on what Spencer said MS has every intention on matching SONY. I know SONY won't want to eat too much on every console sold allowing both to sell for $499.99. Mark my words.
Nethernova
Member
its not going to be less than 499usd. but its not going to be 600usd either. 549?
itsjustJEFF
Member
cause my bank account told me... 
jakinov
Member
The PS3 had a bad attach rate initially though, they lost money from running an online service, and they didn't have strong digital distribution (the ratio right now is around ~50% digital which means Sony makes even more money per game than ever before and digital adoption is going up).. Selling at a lost would only be temporary too. They probably won't get crazy fast sales like the Switch. but something significantly more than a high price tag, eventually they the costs will go down. But the initial boost will be possibly pay itself off later if it really does get them more sales. The longer people have consoles too, the arguably more likely they'll get more games and then for social factors I think when your friends start getting PlayStations you start getting them too.
Derktron
Banned
I’m sorry but this argument needs to die out completely, that was a very different time where spending that kind of money was crazy at the time. Even with a decent income. Look at stats of phones where people spend $1000 and see that yes people are willing to spend it. So I don’t think it won’t be much of an issue. Personally I see it at $500.
Investor9872
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If the PS5 launches at $599, it will dead on arrival, giving the XSX a huge leg up in the market if it can launch at $500 - $550... until Sony realizes the mistake and drop the PS5's price to match the XSX. Bank on it!
prag16
Banned
Assuming these people still have jobs/income.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
See a Dr.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
$449, at worst $499.
No one is going over $500.
No one is going over $500.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Sony have been doing their best to reinforce "great value for the advanced tech" mentality with the PS5 - you don't do that if you're aiming for budget prices. They'll die before they do USD$599.00 though - that's a meme they know they can never repeat. $499.00 for PS5 at the minimum - and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if it's USD$549. but at that price it's a bundle with either a free game or months of free Plus in the box.
Microsoft are in a different spot - I flip-flop a lot on what I think they're aiming for every day. So many mixed messages.
Like, if Lockheart is real and isn't just an Xbox One X Slim, then they've already got a console for the "budget range" - you don't do that if you're aiming for your big console to sit in that price point. So, they might target $499.00 and match Sony at the "premium" end of the spectrum.
Of course, we've heard shit on Lockheart - maybe it's cancelled, and so they might target $399.00, landing in the PS4's sweet spot to absolutely steal the early market from Sony.
Or maybe they've gone completely wild card - maybe Phil's gone bat-shit fucking crazy trying to get a win, and decides to hit USD$299.00 because, hey, who needs more money when you're Microsoft.
I really can't call it.
Microsoft are in a different spot - I flip-flop a lot on what I think they're aiming for every day. So many mixed messages.
Like, if Lockheart is real and isn't just an Xbox One X Slim, then they've already got a console for the "budget range" - you don't do that if you're aiming for your big console to sit in that price point. So, they might target $499.00 and match Sony at the "premium" end of the spectrum.
Of course, we've heard shit on Lockheart - maybe it's cancelled, and so they might target $399.00, landing in the PS4's sweet spot to absolutely steal the early market from Sony.
Or maybe they've gone completely wild card - maybe Phil's gone bat-shit fucking crazy trying to get a win, and decides to hit USD$299.00 because, hey, who needs more money when you're Microsoft.
I really can't call it.
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DeepEnigma
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KingdomHeartsFan
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It would be hilarious if it launched at $600-700. The meltdowns on this forum seeing Microsoft put out a more powerful console at a cheaper price XD.
Nickolaidas
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It's called investment. Selling units at a loss in order to ensure a solid playerbase and make the ps5 a tempting option for publishers and developers.
No one wants to develop games for a console owned by ten people.
No one wants to develop games for a console owned by ten people.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Their BOM cost has already come out around 450 usd if I remember correctly. I doubt it would be higher than 499usd.
I believe PS4 will get a hefty price cut due to current economic scenario. It could surpass PS2.
I believe PS4 will get a hefty price cut due to current economic scenario. It could surpass PS2.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
I'd say they go up to 499. Not more.
We are not in the "consoles must cost 399" bracket of time anymore, but going up to 600 won't work. People remember the PS3.
We are not in the "consoles must cost 399" bracket of time anymore, but going up to 600 won't work. People remember the PS3.
Craig of War
Banned
I read it takes 450 to make PS5 so with 500 price it still would be a lost they would have to price it at 600 just to probably break even so for like the first 2 years or so they will take a lost on hardware same with Xbox.
llien
Member
I'm pretty sure Sony has learned PS3 lesson.
They have spent literally billions on development of CELL.
(it was them being NVidia, one of the goals was getting rid of GPU altogether and just having two CELL chips. That way, game devs would face a touch choice of which system to support)
And then thought they could sell it at a price that high.
Today they are dominant but nowhere at PS2 levels.
The main reason why SSD got included into the system is exactly because it has become affordable in console setting.
AMD APU chip size has modest size and while they might need more expensive cooling, it would be several bucks, maybe a dozen.
Besides SSD, all the other costs (audio stuff, kraken decoding chip) are mostly one time development costs, chips themselves would cost nothing.
Cherny himself stated it would be somewhat more expensive, but gamers would find it reasonable, given the improvements.
I can only decode that statement as $50 more for SSD.
They have spent literally billions on development of CELL.
(it was them being NVidia, one of the goals was getting rid of GPU altogether and just having two CELL chips. That way, game devs would face a touch choice of which system to support)
And then thought they could sell it at a price that high.
Today they are dominant but nowhere at PS2 levels.
The main reason why SSD got included into the system is exactly because it has become affordable in console setting.
AMD APU chip size has modest size and while they might need more expensive cooling, it would be several bucks, maybe a dozen.
Besides SSD, all the other costs (audio stuff, kraken decoding chip) are mostly one time development costs, chips themselves would cost nothing.
Cherny himself stated it would be somewhat more expensive, but gamers would find it reasonable, given the improvements.
I can only decode that statement as $50 more for SSD.
bhunachicken
Member
£399 - £499 in the UK.
I'm fine with that. This whole virus thing has had me working from home for 3 months, so I've got that much to spare in saved train fares..!
I'm fine with that. This whole virus thing has had me working from home for 3 months, so I've got that much to spare in saved train fares..!
captainraincoat
Banned
If the ps5 is priced over $500 it’s dead
I think the design change might be another clou, they really want to differentiate the PS5 as something new / different more advanced.
Don't forget that with Cyberpunk, on of the biggest titles of this generation has still to launch, the PS4 is not going anywhere soon, they will do everything to keep it alive for years to come. Other future big titles like GTA6 surely will also have to launch on the PS4 (unless they really haven't been working on it and it's far off) for return of investment reasons.
It just doesn't make any sense to me that they want to sell the PS5 at a very competitiv price from the get go, unless somehow to really managed to keep production costs to a minimum (unlikely).
499 would be amazing, but I'm guessing 549 would be they lowest they could go.
Don't forget that with Cyberpunk, on of the biggest titles of this generation has still to launch, the PS4 is not going anywhere soon, they will do everything to keep it alive for years to come. Other future big titles like GTA6 surely will also have to launch on the PS4 (unless they really haven't been working on it and it's far off) for return of investment reasons.
It just doesn't make any sense to me that they want to sell the PS5 at a very competitiv price from the get go, unless somehow to really managed to keep production costs to a minimum (unlikely).
499 would be amazing, but I'm guessing 549 would be they lowest they could go.
Relativ9
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Bloomberg has the manufacturing costs of the PS5 at around 450$. They'll take a loss on the each console sold to hit 499 at the max if they need to, possibly also 399. The manufacturing costs of the Dualshock4 is only about 10-15$, I know the DualSense is more advanced, but even if it's twice as expensive as the Dualshock 4 (it won't be) that still wouldn't put the overall console cost at even 50$ more.
Hostile_18
Banned
Value is so subjective. I use my ps4 pro every day (usually to some extent) so price wise £1500 or less, would be worth it. Gamers are so tight though even though they have £800 phones, so I'd expect the price (given the parts) to be between 450-499. Even that price is insanely good for what your getting. Also I think even though XSX will cost a *tiny* bit more to manufacture MS will price match with Sony.
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ScaryBrandon
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Not all gamers are tight there are pc gamers that drop £1200 just on a graphics card. However, there is a reason why console gamers got the "peasants" nickname.
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bad guy
as bad as Danny Zuko in gym knickers
I'm not sure if the unemployed are in the market for a next-gen system and $60 games. More likely they will be selling their 4K TV.
I say $555 and $499 early 2021.
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