Vawn
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Lol. Good luck with that.
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How can anyone think the PS5 is costing anything less than 600 - 700 USD?
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Lol. Good luck with that.
Vawn
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So if it's $499 they're sensible, but if it's $500, they're cocky?
No matter what it's price has nothing to do with cockiness. We already know they've had issues with getting these high-end components in bulk. Thst, along with COVID issues, can very well cause the price to increase. That has nothing to do with being "cocky". It is business.
#Phonepunk#
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i think around 500 is reasonable. 600-700, i don't see that happening, honestly. they would sell consoles at a loss before they got that expensive.
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Chances of a Last of Us 2 PS5 patch on release!?
Moogle11
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Simple as that. Even $500 will be a hard sell for a lot of folks. Especially this fall when many people have been out of work and may be so again of the virus resurgence as many predict.
The profit is in games, DLC, and summer scripting services. They’ll take a loss on hardware sales the first couple of years to build a base like they generally have.
It’s not comparable to PC GPU prices as Nvidea and AMD aren’t also selling games, paid online gaming services etc to recoup losses on hardware. Thus the hardware is sold at a profit markup.
Romulus
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I think if the economy was better $600 but with the way it is, idk. Probably $500-550.
Though $500 just seems bottom dollar.
Still, I don't think ps5 at $600 is a terrible deal. Not like ps3's $600, here with ps5, you're just getting way more. PS3 didn't compare favorably to PCs when it launched and it took them years to get good looking exclusives, and it sucked at multiplatforms. That architecture was just garbage. PS5 is a different animal at $600.
Though $500 just seems bottom dollar.
Still, I don't think ps5 at $600 is a terrible deal. Not like ps3's $600, here with ps5, you're just getting way more. PS3 didn't compare favorably to PCs when it launched and it took them years to get good looking exclusives, and it sucked at multiplatforms. That architecture was just garbage. PS5 is a different animal at $600.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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Nintendo wouldn’t benefit from it anyway. It’s not like people wanting cutting-edge hardware are going to buy a Switch instead, especially not to play FIFA and the usual titles that are the reason people buy consoles.
If anything, an exceedingly strep launch price would just boost the Pro/X1 market and the second-hand market from early adopters.
But these companies aren’t stupid and they will price accordingly.
IDKFA
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Trimesh
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If anything, the PS3 is a great illustration of how important price points are. For various reasons, the PS3 ended up being a far more complicated and expensive machine than originally planned, but Sony still made sure they had a sub $500 SKU even if it meant eating a $300 loss on each console they sold. In reality, the PS3 was amazingly cheap for the hardware you were getting, but it initially sold quite poorly anyway.
Sure, there are people (who are likely over-represented on this site) that would pay $600 or $700 for a console, but all the indications are that there aren't nearly enough of them to build the sort of installed base that creates a viable mass-market platform.
Demon2blades
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I believe Sony got the price right this gen and a small part of why they are in the position they are now is price/value I expect both companies to compete where price is concerned this gen right off the bat and I don't think we should be worrying about mega expensive boxes I think these consoles are going to be sold at a loss imho.
Insane Metal
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Anything over $500 and it's DOA.
Hostile_18
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Thats my guess as well with MS taking a tiny loss to match Sony.
I keep reading this, but the PS4 Pro still costs 370 USD/Euro right now, there gotta be some price differentiation and I doubt they'll just slash the PS4 Price in half if they can still make money off of it. Situation would be different if the PS4 was dead in the water.
my wallet hopes you're right, but it seems like wishful thinking. 499 is really the lowest we can hope for.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Clearly you have no clue what hardware actually costs. Educate yourself at ifixit or comparable sites.
Bolivar687
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I trust Sony.
Investor9872
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$399 is absolutely out of the question. Yes. The PS4 launched at $399, but that was 7 years ago. The PS5 has tech that even high-end PCs (up to $5,000) don't have. You can dream that the PS5 will launch at $399, but that's not going to happen. I don't want people to have high expectation that a $399 PS5 is even remotely possible. It's not.
Investor9872
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I hear ya! If you're looking for 4 PS5 exclusives, then might as well wait 18 months after launch.
Investor9872
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True! That's why I'm hoping that the rumors of a $599 double SSD capacity PS5 is true. That's a no-brainer for me.
phil_t98
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I mean apparantly it’s technology that isn’t even out yet. I am guessing the PC equivalent will bee north of 300 just for ssd
THE:MILKMAN
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Let's see how it pans out. I see in the main thread there is another analyst report from Japan predicting 15 million PS5 sales for its first full year. This would be higher sales than PS4's 14.8 million for the same period. Can't do that at a higher price than PS4 (much higher in Europe).
I could see them using Europe to subsidise the rest of the world like they basically did with PS3 if it really is costing a lot to build. Maybe even delay the EU release until Spring. At the end of the day if it comes in at £499 I'll just wait a few more months if needs be for the big price drop like with PS3 (£425 > £299 in 6 months).
bumleforce
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I can see it being 400 to 500
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It'll launch @499.
Slings and Arrows
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It's pretty common for people to rent their cars nowadays, often paying £300-£450 a month.
I'm sure they could, if they wanted to, afford a console at £499 that is there's to own forever.
I'm sure they could, if they wanted to, afford a console at £499 that is there's to own forever.
BlackTron
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It will be too much for most people to afford but that's OK because they will be able to sell every unit they can ship for the first year or so anyway.
If you can't afford to be one of them, buy a PS4 and then a PS5 later when the cost goes a bit lower and supply is more plentiful.
PS5 is not replacing PS4 overnight. The launch isn't a revolution, it's a VIP party.
If you can't afford to be one of them, buy a PS4 and then a PS5 later when the cost goes a bit lower and supply is more plentiful.
PS5 is not replacing PS4 overnight. The launch isn't a revolution, it's a VIP party.
Die Namek Ability
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If they have stock issues than i can realistically see them sellin above the 500 price point but once corrected have it come down to 499 or less. There are two main ways Sony makes money. They sell A LOT of software and A LOT of subscriptions. The reason they can rely on this is because thier user base is outrageous! They will do everything in thier power to get the PS5 in every home possible. This is also why i dont think Sony will support Smart Delivery as much as it sucks to say.
StreetsofBeige
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PS5 and SeX = $500 US each.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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How can you imagine that Sony will sell it for anything above $500, especially after the PS 3 launch ?
Blitzmangoman
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450-500 $/€.
Not great, not terrible.
Not great, not terrible.
Codeblew
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That is like $1200 in todays money though.
Investor9872
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It's a smart move on your part to wait it out a few months, for one, to see if there are any lingering issues with the new hardware (there always are), and two, for a price drop, which I don't believe we will see one in the first couple of years. You may see promotional bundles (system and a game or an extra controller), but not a price drop. You shouldn't really compare it to the PS3, which was grossly miss-priced at launch. On a final note, I'm not sure if that analyst you quoted release his estimates before or after the pandemic, because there is no way that Sony can ship 15 million units the first 12 months in this current climate.
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Rayderism
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You know, if Sony would have made it BC with PS1, PS2 and maybe even a small amount of PS3 (with a promise of PS3 compatibility updates...or something like that), as well as the confirmed PS4 support, they could have charged just about anything they wanted for a PS5 and people would be all over it.
But I'll bet they'll cheese out on the optical drive again, just like they did on PS4, and it won't even read CD's, which will instantly kill any hopes of true BC with PS1, as well as something like 150 PS2 games that were on CD. Because otherwise, there would be no excuse to NOT include PS1 and PS2 BC (and I mean disk support, not just some extremely limited digital download library). A lack of PS3 BC could be explained away easily enough and most people would accept that, but just about any modern PC can emulate PS1/2, don't even tell me a PS5 couldn't. So their easy-out will be not providing any CD support. What do you bet that will be exactly what they'll do to hose us out of PS1/2 support?
As it stands now, I have to have a PS2, a PS3 and a PS4 to play my entire Playstation library of PS1/2/3/4 games. At best, knowing only what we know now, I'll only be able to kick out the PS4 (the newest of the "legacy" consoles) once getting a PS5. I was really hoping that I'd be able to at least kick out the PS2 and PS4 and just have a PS3 and PS5 under the TV to maintain compatibility with all Playstation games. But it doesn't seem like it's going to work out that way.
That said, any more than $500 for PS5 and I'll just wait as long as I can before I get one. The practicality just isn't there.
But I'll bet they'll cheese out on the optical drive again, just like they did on PS4, and it won't even read CD's, which will instantly kill any hopes of true BC with PS1, as well as something like 150 PS2 games that were on CD. Because otherwise, there would be no excuse to NOT include PS1 and PS2 BC (and I mean disk support, not just some extremely limited digital download library). A lack of PS3 BC could be explained away easily enough and most people would accept that, but just about any modern PC can emulate PS1/2, don't even tell me a PS5 couldn't. So their easy-out will be not providing any CD support. What do you bet that will be exactly what they'll do to hose us out of PS1/2 support?
As it stands now, I have to have a PS2, a PS3 and a PS4 to play my entire Playstation library of PS1/2/3/4 games. At best, knowing only what we know now, I'll only be able to kick out the PS4 (the newest of the "legacy" consoles) once getting a PS5. I was really hoping that I'd be able to at least kick out the PS2 and PS4 and just have a PS3 and PS5 under the TV to maintain compatibility with all Playstation games. But it doesn't seem like it's going to work out that way.
That said, any more than $500 for PS5 and I'll just wait as long as I can before I get one. The practicality just isn't there.
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Grand Theft Scratchy
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$600 to $700 or more would be pretty unusual. Maybe Sony will price the PS5 at $450 but I think it's more likely that both next-gen consoles will be $500.
Trimesh
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The strange thing is that I took apart the PS4 optical block and it contains a 780nm IR laser diode for reading CDs - but the internal drive firmware appears to have been programmed never to use it. When you put a CD into the drive, it tries to read it with the BR laser, then the DVD laser and then it stops. Since the amount of electronics needed to process CD signals is almost negligible by modern standards I can only assume this omission was done for licensing reasons.
ToadMan
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I suspect not only will the PS5 be less than $600, I think it will come in less than Xbox again.
I think Sony will hit $400 to $449 and MS are going for $499 ish.
I say this because Sony have somewhat lower spec CPU and GPU and their SSD is just based on M.2 SSD tech. Sony have added custom hardware to get improved performance but the SSD memory is still the off the shelf stuff Samsung sells. Sony will basically eat the cost of that custom componentry.
MS on the other hand have a slightly higher spec CPU, GPU and memory which will drive their cost slightly higher, coupled with similar spec SSD but without the same level of hardware customisation as Sony have.
I think Sony will hit $400 to $449 and MS are going for $499 ish.
I say this because Sony have somewhat lower spec CPU and GPU and their SSD is just based on M.2 SSD tech. Sony have added custom hardware to get improved performance but the SSD memory is still the off the shelf stuff Samsung sells. Sony will basically eat the cost of that custom componentry.
MS on the other hand have a slightly higher spec CPU, GPU and memory which will drive their cost slightly higher, coupled with similar spec SSD but without the same level of hardware customisation as Sony have.
SaucyJack
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Yep 450-500 is the equivalent of 3.6 Roentgen
FWIW I'm predicting $449 PS5 and $499 Series X
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Memorabilia
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Thinking it will be more than $500 is absurd. Right or wrong, video game console market has demonstrated time and again there is a soft ceiling around $400 or so that is basically the sweet spot to maximize sales volume. Taking inflation into account we could perhaps justify $500 if the economy were healthy and expect customers to be willing to pay that en masse. However, we are in the middle of a severe CV19 triggered economic recession (verging on depression) that is likely going to extend deep into 2021. Even $500 under such conditions is pushing it. Going beyond that would likely tank launch sales. If Sony wants to turn the PS5 into a niche product then that's the quickest way to do it (applies equally to Xbox).
ZywyPL
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Because consoles are not PCs with 65% profit margins. And they are just a platform to sell the software where all the profit actually is, so Sony and MS can even take a hit on each unit, as it will be fully covered within few months after the users buy two or three games, or a yearly XBL/PSN subscription. And everyone saw how the 599 turned out, and no one wants to repeat that scenario ever again.
Mhmmm 2077
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Sony can surely afford selling PS5 without profit for a year or two or even at a loss, after all all that lost money from hardware sales they will make back in software/subscription sales. And after 2-3 years the hardware will be cheaper, maybe even with a 10% price cut they could finally sell it with profit. Though I don't know shit.
StreetsofBeige
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If there's any time for Sony or MS to subsidize consoles it's starting now.
With so much digital revenue from getting 30% of digital sales, the money from this should be absurdly ramping up just like EA and UBI brag about record microtrans.
For every disc sale that disappears from EB, Best Buy and Amazon, the lost profit there basically goes right to Sony and MS instead. And digital sales are increasing every year as a % of sales.
Really comes down to if MS and Sony want bank that digital money as big profit boosters, or use some of that to help subsidize gamers $100+ on a console.
Put it this way. For every $60 game you've switched from disc to digital this gen (and going forward), that's $18 into MS' and Sony's corporate account.
With so much digital revenue from getting 30% of digital sales, the money from this should be absurdly ramping up just like EA and UBI brag about record microtrans.
For every disc sale that disappears from EB, Best Buy and Amazon, the lost profit there basically goes right to Sony and MS instead. And digital sales are increasing every year as a % of sales.
Really comes down to if MS and Sony want bank that digital money as big profit boosters, or use some of that to help subsidize gamers $100+ on a console.
Put it this way. For every $60 game you've switched from disc to digital this gen (and going forward), that's $18 into MS' and Sony's corporate account.
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