Massive Duck. C.M.
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So many people must have that thread bookmarked. It must be like a security blanket for you
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Fraternity Suspended over notebook detailing rape and lynching
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So many people must have that thread bookmarked. It must be like a security blanket for you
poppabk
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wanderingprostheyltite
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My hometown :/
Yeah racism is very alive and healthy in the South still, even in the bigger cities like Raleigh. My best friend growing up there had a grandfather with an all black "staff" at his home in the historic district neighborhoods. It was always uncomfortable being around it, I could definitely feel this almost plantation mentality still at work there.
Yeah racism is very alive and healthy in the South still, even in the bigger cities like Raleigh. My best friend growing up there had a grandfather with an all black "staff" at his home in the historic district neighborhoods. It was always uncomfortable being around it, I could definitely feel this almost plantation mentality still at work there.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Frat boy:
Careful not to break your wrists hi-fiving yourself. Choosing a picture of someone who was also beaten bloody by cops for having a fake ID was also an interesting choice
#notallfratboys indeed
Except minority frats and sororities are not immune from the racism and stupid shit that goes on either.
The entire system is stupid and outdated.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Why don't you start a thread about how minority frats and sororities are bad too, and I'll continue to focus on the frat in question in this thread.
Filthy Casual
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Wow, how stupid and childish... they need to grow up.
Shpeshal Nick
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That's the joke.
While they wrote some nasty stuff in there, it's ultimately just words. Is there any evidence they actually did any of this stuff? A lot of them front with this type of attitude to "play the role" but don't actually believe any of it. Which just makes the whole fraternity thing even stupider.
Yeah. As disgusting as it is, it is kind of absurd to think this is like a handbook of their fraternity activities. I know there are people out there who will take it that seriously.
Tuesday - Rape a baby day. Activities start from 4:00pm - 6:00pm
Wednesday - Lynch a minority day. Meet in the bushes around 12:00am. Bring your own balaclava.
It is utterly moronic behaviour, but it's not that.
Don't know why I didn't post this sooner with its happening in my town. I think I kinda expected I would have been beaten to the punch.
Anyways, can't really wrap my head around this. The hatred or the stupidity. Yeah, that's what we need to do with all this noxious drivel we have ping-ponging around the empty melons on our shoulders, make a written record of it and forget it at dinner out.
Anyways, can't really wrap my head around this. The hatred or the stupidity. Yeah, that's what we need to do with all this noxious drivel we have ping-ponging around the empty melons on our shoulders, make a written record of it and forget it at dinner out.
Probably the most amazing variation of "What about black on black crime?" ive seen on the internet, this is so ingenious in its fuckery.
Apparently it wasn't even a fake ID. It was his actual ID.
jackissocool
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Finally a black person talking sense about race. This is what the black community needs to end racism, which doesn't exist anymore.
jackissocool
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And that large portions of our society are fighting it one way or another, so people don't let shit like this go. Which they shouldn't.
PlayALLtheGames
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To preface: I was not in a frat in college but I have to say the focus on the fact this was a frat seems pointless.
If these idiots weren't in the frat they'd still be at NC State, behaving the same way.
I'm just glad these fucktards left that notebook there and got busted. Hahahaha. That's amazing karma.
If these idiots weren't in the frat they'd still be at NC State, behaving the same way.
I'm just glad these fucktards left that notebook there and got busted. Hahahaha. That's amazing karma.
onadesertedisland
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Shame them, make it publicly not cool to join.
Shit if them people weren't so black, they wouldn't need to have such things said about them!
/MorningJoe
The fraternities at my college left an unflattering taste in my mouth. Their main focus was partying (which I have no qualms with enjoying a good party but when a large amount of whispers of rape come from those parties..) and having the freshman terrorize the dorms at night. I wouldn't mind seeing them gone or, at the very least, seek major major changes.
IISANDERII
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Raping babies????? Fuck these garbage scum
John Kowalski
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girl i was just picking on you gawd
that said i don't think being social/positive/proactive are stereotypical behavior of fraternities, perhaps the stereotype fraternities hold for the concept of a fraternity but i don't think the more popular archetypal representations of fraternities would regard those elements as positives balanced against the negatives, whether they do or don't actually have a large number of individuals who, regardless of them being racist sexist or whatevah, are also nice, positive, proactive guys is a measure of fact not of stereotypical behavior
a similar reading could be had of the very same people you're contrasting them to, the /b/ folks who are stereotypical basement dwellers with an unhealthy mountain dew/blood ratio, but who could in truth be very nice guys and girls who just happen to release their lesser ideals on the internet, much like the fratbros did with their little book
sorry if i pissed you off
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Welcome to our fraternity. Now sign the book of evil.
I wonder how many of them came into the frat with these sentiments, as opposed to people who might have not known much about interacting with minorities at first but became heavily influenced by older members.
No one who's in a frat could be an evil person
I felt compelled to reply to this
but as a non American I must ask and forgive me if it has been answered in this thread already,
but what is the form and function of fraternities anyway?
ElectricKaibutsu
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#notallfrats
But seriously, as someone who has never been in one, I don't have a problem with the idea of frats. Any group can do good or bad. I'll just be happy if we can keep weeding out the bad ones.
John Kowalski
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No. I don't think i'm doing any of those things. I meant only that the dominant stereotype of fraternities (as represented in media, fictional and non fictional) does not include those stereotypical behaviors as positives. Given a more scrutinous analysis one could understand that that stereotypical behavior can be represented positively, but that's beyond the scope of what the stereotype seeks to portray. I'm sure you can see that the same behavior can be seen through a positive, negative, or even apathetic light, right? It's not hard at all to have a predisposition against fraternity culture so strong that one can quickly turn those positives into negatives. The surmounting negative stereotypes about fraternities do not coalesce with possible positive behaviors, so whatever positivity can be found is left behind or distorted into negativity. I think that's the case with fratbro stereotypes.
This reads like you're complaining about gaf behavior about which i don't have an opinion.
No your posts just seem more antagonistic recently so i thought maybe you were growing disenchanted with gaf. And i know i piss some people off with my short posts.
DiipuSurotu
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Why were they writing this stuff in a notebook for anyway?
Setting goals is important. From another thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1014988
Some people just have evil plans.
Yeah, that does seem to be true (as best we can tell) for the fraternity with the notebook, but the article quoted in the OP also references another incident:
This basically reads as a website where the fraternity posted pictures of its sexual assault victims. So, the problem of fraternities having misogynistic views isn't a completely harmless one (not that you stated it was).
CassidyIzABeast
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But how do they really feel?
I went to quite a few frat parties in the late 90s.
Between my buddies stories of crab-walking naked across wet basement floors with hot dogs pinched in their ass cheeks to the severe beatings I witnessed when frat-bros figured out a non-bro was at their party flirting with "one of their girls" I was pretty disgusted by them.
Pretty much every guy I've ever known in a frat would brag about some disgusting behavior of theirs at some point or another right up until the conversation turned into "frats are disgusting" and then suddenly they'd be listing the community events they put on or charities they volunteered for.
Which is the exact culture frats are preparing these people for.. to put on appearances but act like a hedonist any chance you can get.
Between my buddies stories of crab-walking naked across wet basement floors with hot dogs pinched in their ass cheeks to the severe beatings I witnessed when frat-bros figured out a non-bro was at their party flirting with "one of their girls" I was pretty disgusted by them.
Pretty much every guy I've ever known in a frat would brag about some disgusting behavior of theirs at some point or another right up until the conversation turned into "frats are disgusting" and then suddenly they'd be listing the community events they put on or charities they volunteered for.
Which is the exact culture frats are preparing these people for.. to put on appearances but act like a hedonist any chance you can get.
GameGuru59
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I'm surprised that other people find this surprising. If you lock a room of guys up together with nothing to do, this is what will happen. I've been saying for years that colleges shouldn't host frats or sororities on their campuses (HBCU campuses already do this with black frats/sororities). That way, you just force all this shit off campus, and let the regular police deal with it. Alot of the problems these colleges are experiencing stems from the fact they're trying to create an artificial environment where there are fewer rules than in the "real world."
This is the real reason they exist. There are plenty of people in high paying managerial jobs that will land you a job just because you were in the same frat as them. Its a wise investment in your future, and you get to have alot of un-monitored fun at college.
This is the real reason they exist. There are plenty of people in high paying managerial jobs that will land you a job just because you were in the same frat as them. Its a wise investment in your future, and you get to have alot of un-monitored fun at college.
His ID wasn't fake.
Look, I think there are plenty of "good" frats. And lots of good frat people, obviously. The issue for me is the idea of putting teenagers under the "wing" of 20 year olds with arcane rules, single gender institutions and creating either the image or in some schools the actual fact that without a fraternity or sorority, you're screwed socially. It breeds exclusivity, defacto aristocracies, and as we see time and time again, toxic mini-cults.
You could wrap that system in any kind of branding - and end up with really concentrated negative results. Which is the problem with the system. And let's be honest here, we all know frat people and we all know institutionalized idiocy, including racism and homophobia from people who wouldn't otherwise be racist or homophobic (often inheriting 100 year old attitudes from the house or local bigotry from the institution and literally learning these by rule and by rote), and date rape. That alone, even if it were just one frat per school (and let's face it, it's a lot more than that) would be reason enough to consider shaking up the way we teach our young men and women how to become adults.
It's (the scale of it at least) a uniquely American phenomenon and I think it creates social retardation, and unhealthy networks of "old boys" and mini plutocracies later in life. I cringe when forty year old executives make that connection in real life.
It's literally Lord of the Flies: Party Edition.
I'm not saying kids should be banned from creating groups, or living with people they want to live with - but people do that naturally, organically, based on shared interests and compatible personas, without creating men or women only clubs and I'd argue that in other countries, kids grow up a bit faster because they're not coddled by an infantile institution and are exposed to broader types of thinking and vastly more diversity by going to college and just living like an adult.
Anyway, I am still all for beer bongs, house parties, and possibly even Togas. It simply doesn't need the cult trappings or quasi-legal structures.
This is pretty much what it comes down to. Lets get with the times American Collegiate system >_>
Ninja Of Chaos
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Oh what is with the mock outrage? No, that is not how this works. If you have a collection of a voluntary participation thing (frats) and we can show that behavior like the one in the OP exists, then it is possible it is in all of those frats. So it is up to you to prove to me that yours would never do such a thing. Because from my perspective, it is a very real possibility that it could since, you know, you CHOSE to be in it.
It's what happens one when a stereotyped/marginalized group gets a chance to tee off on a group known for being comprised of dicks/popular kids, etc. And of course if you point out the groupthink, someone screams something something 'not a hive mind.'
shadowsdarknes
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Except for all the thousands of frat parties thrown every week where someone does not get raped, people don't fight each other, no racism is thrown around, and nobody gets raped.
The nice part about fraternity parties that specifically mix with another sorority is that both groups will have active sobers to make sure people aren't getting too drunk, to make sure that people have rides home, and to make sure the behavior is kept to an acceptable level.
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