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Diablo 4 Update Nerfs All Five Classes - Players are pissed
Starbuck2907
Member
I felt that way about the beta. I’ll be getting this one on deep discount.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
No, they nerfed everything and then on top of that nerfed specific builds.
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Breh, barb is my main go to class
Zheph
Member
I lost 50% dps on my barb
Skifi28
Member
I can't speak about the specifics of the patch, but I do prefer nerfing stuff instead of constantly buffing everything like they did with Diablo 3. They kept buffing characters and then they had to constantly add more difficulties and then they would buff characters again and so on. I remember loging in after a month only to find all my characters one-shotting absolutely everything, which while fun at first just killed the game for me eventually. I much prefer a curated and balanced approach to my ARPGs instead of the wild west Diablo 3 ended up becoming.
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Mephisto40
Member
Seems from the patch notes the only builds that have been nerfed are the godlike overpowered one's
I can understand people being mad at certain nerfs, but complaining that your game breaking OP build is now not as good as it was seems a little silly to me
If people that play the game want it to have any sort of long term relevance, they can't have silly builds doing billions of damage running around, so nerfing builds like this makes sense tbh
Saying your barb takes a second to kill a world boss solo rather than half a second, I mean are you even enjoying the game at this point with characters that OP?
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joshwaan
Member
did they really say that? lol 
Braag
Member
Yeah, this patch has not done the game any favors. High level NM dungeons were incredibly hard already and uber Lilith also was incredibly hard.
So Blizzard not only nerfed all the best builds but also overall did a major cut to damage output as well as defenses and armor in order to have players do way less dmg and be more squishy. Now those very hard end game stuff is even harder.
I immediately noticed the difference when I played the game after patch.
So Blizzard not only nerfed all the best builds but also overall did a major cut to damage output as well as defenses and armor in order to have players do way less dmg and be more squishy. Now those very hard end game stuff is even harder.
I immediately noticed the difference when I played the game after patch.
PectacularOz
Member
Players are playing 8hrs/day EVERY DAY and literally RACING to demolish every ounce of content - and then when multiple players have, they complain there's no way to progress beyond each other.
Slowing it down is a GOOD thing. Those players need to have thier internet taken away for a while.
Slowing it down is a GOOD thing. Those players need to have thier internet taken away for a while.
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Silver Wattle
Gold Member
That is not most players though, so they nerf everyone just to hinder the sweat lords? if I played D4 I'd be pissed because I would be a regular player getting kicked in the nuts by blizzard for reasons that are nothing to do with me.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Is this a joke?
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
I thought people were acting bitchy as usual but i checked reddit and the patch notes and for someone who hasnt played it yet, I can easily tell Blizzard are a bunch of fucking retards lmao. They even increased teleport timer for absolutely no reason at all. Holy shit is the game a slog.
systemr123
Member
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Mephisto40
Member
They haven't nerfed EVERYBODY though
They've nerfed the people that have steamrolled through the levels using broken builds, and now those people are complaining because it takes 2 seconds to kill a world boss solo instead of 1 second, which is ridiculous
The only nerf that's effecting everybody is the vulnerability nerf, which they've done to stop people steamrolling the content and then complaining they have nothing else to do
It's funny how everybody now thinks they are a hardcore min max diablo player now just because they followed a guide on maxroll that has now been nerfed
Do people honstely want every player running around with the same build destroying everything on the screen in half a second?
This pretty much sums up the latest overeaction from the "fanbase"
Can't get to lvl 100 in a week with godly overpowered classes? CRY!
Can't find every single unique drop in the game in a week? CRY!!
Can't do 1 trillion damage with any class and kill Uber Lilith in 30 seconds? CRY!
Can't have a friend literally do NM dungeons for you and give you free experience so you don't have to play the game? CRY!
Devs make it so we get MORE ITEM DROPS? CRY!!
MORE EXP IN NM DUNGEONS (previous patch)? CRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
I mean I don't understand what people are whining about, one of the major complaints of Dianlo IV is that you run out of content far too fast.
So making it so you do the exact same content all over again but slower makes complete sense to me from "I am shit at developing games" stand point.
So making it so you do the exact same content all over again but slower makes complete sense to me from "I am shit at developing games" stand point.
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It's less about the nerfs and more about them actively making the game less fun.
The nerf to cooldown reduction is the best example of this. They claim they didn't want everyone stacking it - but why is everyone stacking it? Because the cooldowns in the game are far too long and make the game absolutely BORING to play. 90% of the viable builds involve you running around until your cooldowns are up, popping them, using your core skill and repeat. It's bad design and has been since the betas but cooldown reduction at least made it a bit more tolerable.
It's just a bad game in so many ways and if they did something to address the many issues ALONGSIDE the nerfs, it wouldn't be met with the criticism - but over a month after release, seeing all the issues, they did essentially nothing to help on that front. These aren't the same quality game design folks that made games like D2 - I'm not even sure they play the game.
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Mephisto40
Member
I'd argue that the game is more boring to play if all your doing is pressing one button and destroying everything on the screen in a millisecond, which is exactly what the builds they have nerfed were doing
DaleinCalgary
Member
Well they actually did, DPS is down as well as defence for everyone.
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Mephisto40
Member
You mean the game has been balanced to be better for everybody, and not just the 5 builds people are using off maxroll
Pretty much every build only uses one actual button. There's just another 4 that you press every 20-30 seconds when they're off cooldown. Cooldown reduction (one of the biggest nerfs) resulted in you pressing more buttons and the game being more engaging.
KingT731
Member
the issue was there were barely viable builds as is. The "buffs" they gave are mostly lost in the damage buckets...
Mephisto40
Member
Define "viable"
If by "viable", you mean builds thats make the game ridiculously easy to farm, can you not see the issue here?
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Zheph
Member
Except vulnerability which everyone can agree needed a big nerf, what's else is good in the patch notes (that i don't believe you have read but you are stuck in your opinion about meta builds and keep reharsing the same post despite many people arguing) ?
Buggy Loop
Member
I do not trust Blizzard in decision making anymore.
I skipped it and i regret nothing. Diablo 3 took a long ass time to be even where it is today. Not playing Diablo 4 day 1 is a given.
I have Baldur's Gate 3, Armored Core VI & Starfield purchased and waiting in Steam library. In meantime i'm trying to end TOTK.
I skipped it and i regret nothing. Diablo 3 took a long ass time to be even where it is today. Not playing Diablo 4 day 1 is a given.
I have Baldur's Gate 3, Armored Core VI & Starfield purchased and waiting in Steam library. In meantime i'm trying to end TOTK.
Minsc
Gold Member
I have a feeling this is kinda how the game is intended to work.
Every season the last season's best builds and solutions will be changed so they don't work like they used to and you'll need to start over and build up a new way to dominate the season (which is what the point of the game is IMO). I still believe Diablo 4 and Hearthstone have a lot more in common than you'd think.
Every season the last season's best builds and solutions will be changed so they don't work like they used to and you'll need to start over and build up a new way to dominate the season (which is what the point of the game is IMO). I still believe Diablo 4 and Hearthstone have a lot more in common than you'd think.
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Nerfs are fine, if something is overperforming, go for it. That said, the game is already incredibly slow paced for an action RPG - both in the way that it plays and the mechanics behind the grind. Everything they've done served only to slow the game down more. They could easily have nerfed some builds in ways that didn't result in a slow gameplay becoming meaningfully slower. People criticized the 80+ loop, what did they do? Make the 60-80 loop equally bad. Sorc was the most underperforming class and arguably got the most nerfs (and also the worst unique - though they all see pretty shit...random teleportation? who designs this shit).
They did nothing to really address the poor itemization. Nothing to address the lack of any real social elements in their pseudo MMO. Nothing to diversify gameplay (in fact, they nerfed helltides so NM dungeons are now the only real way to go).
Like, let's remember that people stacking vulnerability, cooldown reduction, etc. were just working with the tools that Blizzard gave them in the first place - did Blizzard not see it coming? They didn't test the game before release?
Essentially, people just spent a month playing through a slow paced game with glaring issues that any competent dev (certainly Blizzard of old) would have identified before release. Their answer to that was - okay now do it again, but slower and even less fun and the end game still sucks.
Hell, one of the new aspects literally relies on a mechanic that they said is broken and they can't fix till S3...
The big issue with the patch is that they didn't fix anything wrong with the game. It's possible to nerf things and still make the game better, but they didn't do that.
Nerfs are fine, if something is overperforming, go for it. That said, the game is already incredibly slow paced for an action RPG - both in the way that it plays and the mechanics behind the grind. Everything they've done served only to slow the game down more. They could easily have nerfed some builds in ways that didn't result in a slow gameplay becoming meaningfully slower. People criticized the 80+ loop, what did they do? Make the 60-80 loop equally bad. Sorc was the most underperforming class and arguably got the most nerfs (and also the worst unique - though they all see pretty shit...random teleportation? who designs this shit).
They did nothing to really address the poor itemization. Nothing to address the lack of any real social elements in their pseudo MMO. Nothing to diversify gameplay (in fact, they nerfed helltides so NM dungeons are now the only real way to go).
Like, let's remember that people stacking vulnerability, cooldown reduction, etc. were just working with the tools that Blizzard gave them in the first place - did Blizzard not see it coming? They didn't test the game before release?
Essentially, people just spent a month playing through a slow paced game with glaring issues that any competent dev (certainly Blizzard of old) would have identified before release. Their answer to that was - okay now do it again, but slower and even less fun and the end game still sucks.
Hell, one of the new aspects literally relies on a mechanic that they said is broken and they can't fix till S3...
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Mephisto40
Member
Do we know how accelerated the XP gain will be for season characters yet?
Bit difficult to say the game has been made slower when the accelerated XP gain for season characters may well outweigh the nerfs that have been implemented
Winter John
Gold Member
Blizzard should sell boosts to help out all them ungrateful players who don’t want to grind for longer with weaker characters for less rewards
Zheph
Member
I agree fully man but some people in here think we just crying
For example, it's wild how we don't have extra stash for the inventory, managing many characters is a nightmare
Let's not even talk about the itemization
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
You are right with the balancing, it was more of just a general statement on what they’ve done to Diablo in overall. Bums me out that so many devs are going the GAAS route.
DaleinCalgary
Member
No, I said everyone got a dps and defense nerf as a reply to you saying not everyone got nerfed. You can call it balanced (compared to what I don't know as it just came out).
Bry0
Member
Yes the game is entirely designed around seasonal play. Every aspect of the design supports that conclusion.
Raven77
Member
You are, quite literally, 100% -
They did, in fact, create this patch around nerfing the no-lifers and the builds they are using. If you knew about the game and the top builds, and read the patch, you would understand.
In turn, the trickle down effect ends up making the game a slog for the other 99.9% of players.
Mephisto40
Member
Incase anybody is still concerned at the 'nerfs'
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I played last night and only noticed good changes. My Minion Necromancer build is still killing it in Tier III Nightmare Dungeons. I like the map/region changes. My mage had the entire map unlocked. Now my Necromancer does too. Same with the Lilith statues.
Fake
Member
GAAS is absolutely destroying the game industry
devilNprada
Member
I agree 100%..
I admire the top hardcore people and the guys on this site who are really pretty amazing, but am just not that player.
At level 95 and just pretty handedly passed a (high) 52 nightmare before the patch, (I have to be further along than 90% of the player base) was getting pretty confident I could eventually do a T100 dungeon and beat uber Lilith. Got on last night went to farm XP in a level 46 nightmare and just kept dying. When I did finally finish my XP bar hardly moved.
Now, I just feel I will never get there, and there is no point to slog through 5 more levels.
So any of you master players willing to carry me past Lilith and a T100 before I quit and go spend my time on BG3.. please do...
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Shake Your Rump
Member
I try to not be cynical, but I agree. The type of people to voice these complaints publicly are not going to stop playing the game during the season.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The patch is honestly shocking. I have not seen a dev team so tone deaf and out of touch in years. I can't even remember the last time I saw patch that was so negatively one sided as this one is. They did what you are never supposed to do in an RPG. You never ever EVER nerf all the classes at once. Do one or two if you have to, but you never nerf them all in one go. That pisses off EVERYONE instead of just pissing off some of them. And then you nerfed XP gains and damage on top of that? What world do you live in where you thought that was a good idea Blizzard? If they didn't see this storm coming then they are either supremely out of touch or just outright stupid.
On the upside they have convinced me to preorder Baldurs Gate 3 for PS5. All the memes about the patch and people leaving for BG3 made me check it out and the game looks fucking great.
On the upside they have convinced me to preorder Baldurs Gate 3 for PS5. All the memes about the patch and people leaving for BG3 made me check it out and the game looks fucking great.
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
How bad did it fuck up the rogue?
I havent played in weeks. Im surprised how fast I fell off. I probably shouldnt have done every single fucking mini dungeon and cave in that first area before I properly started the campaign. I feel like that was the perfect amount of time to scratch the itch.
I havent played in weeks. Im surprised how fast I fell off. I probably shouldnt have done every single fucking mini dungeon and cave in that first area before I properly started the campaign. I feel like that was the perfect amount of time to scratch the itch.
Mephisto40
Member
If you are a casual player you probably wont even notice the class changes tbh
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Im not that casual and I had a pretty good setup going. I'd probably notice lol
kvltus lvlzvs
Banned
never give blizzard the benefit of the doubt.
Little Mac
Gold Member
You'll definitely notice, but rogue is still super solid.
It's more just the general gameplay that will be a bigger nerf for you - slower, more boring than before (somehow), itemization still sucks, less variety in viable things to do, etc.
The real nerf was to the fun, which wasn't plentiful to begin with.
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