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[VulcanRaven]

But how would GP kill any CoD sales when it’s not on GP and never will be and everyone wants to play new CoD year after year?

Skifi28 I never said they are doing it (only) to increase sales from certain demo. They are doing it for pandering/having wider, more complicated agenda/brownie points etc. It’s what is in now. Having certain groups of people in roles you’ll never or almost never find them in real life. Like western women on the frontline under heavy fire or black British guy leading spec ops in 1940.

That’s why MW19 landed so strongly with Farah in a time when Kurdish women were actually fighting ISIS in ME. Perfect example of doing it right. It’s a best CoD to date by far.

Was this woke?

 

[Boss Mog]

This is just straight up racism under the guise of complaining about political correctness. You are making negative judgements towards things because promo images have black people in them? Get a grip.

Laughable comment from a low IQ individual. If you're gonna call me a racist, I'm gonna call you low IQ because that's the logical conclusion. The overwhelming majority of soldiers in WW2 were white men, at least on European and Russian fronts, you might have an issue with that but that's just reality, yes there were black soldiers, yes there was one russian female sniper. Using solely these rare individuals to promote a WW2 game just reeks of virtue signaling, especially when you consider like others have pointed out, that these characters are always perfect in every way and can do no wrong otherwise that would be racist/sexist/whatever-ist. Imagine a game taking place during the Rwadan civil war and all the promo material showed was a white guy hero who was perfect (the UN did send some troops there so technically it's possible), you'd probably think it was pretty ridiculous in that case, as would I.

 

[reksveks]

Was this woke?

Nice example, goes back to my point that everything can be a culture war topic if people want it to be.

 

[tommib]

Nice example, goes back to my point that everything can be a culture war topic if people want it to be.

Was one of my favourite games that featured a woman astronaut saving the day also Woke?

That’s where we are at this point. Everything is being seen as part of an agenda. And you can’t prove the Woke-obsessed that it isn’t.

 

[AdjudicatorHead]

Laughable comment from a low IQ individual. If you're gonna call me a racist, I'm gonna call you low IQ because that's the logical conclusion. The overwhelming majority of soldiers in WW2 were white men, at least on European and Russian fronts, you might have an issue with that but that's just reality, yes there were black soldiers, yes there was one russian female sniper. Using solely these rare individuals to promote a WW2 game just reeks of virtue signaling, especially when you consider like others have pointed out, that these characters are always perfect in every way and can do no wrong otherwise that would be racist/sexist/whatever-ist. Imaging a game taking place during the Rwadan civil war and all the promo material showed was a white guy hero who was perfect (the UN did send some troops there so technically it's possible), you'd probably think it was pretty ridiculous in that case, as would I.

I don’t want to spend all morning feeding the trolls, but I’ll bite just once.

So you seriously think that just because black men and women didn’t make up the majority of troops in WW2, they should never be depicted in any media? We aren’t talking about one or two people, 6.25% of US troops deployed abroad were African American: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_African_Americans

1.2 million served in the military as a whole during WW2: https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black-soldiers-world-war-ii-discrimination

Depicting them as military troops in WW2 media is absolutely not strange in the slightest, they played a key part in the US war effort. Furthermore, what do you mean, “these characters are always perfect in every way”. How can you tell that they are perfect in every way just from the Vanguard promotional materials

If you think that any poster of a black person needs to display some character flaw as a disclaimer below them in order to make it ok to depict them in media, I don’t even have words for how blatantly and undeniably racist that is. Seriously man, you need to cop on and grow up if you think that.

The comparison with Rwandan is a strawman argument. The US were a third party to that war. In this case, many African Americans WERE part of the US forces and are being depicted as such in Vanguard.

 

[Ozriel]

Dude, she's an astronaut. That's not a job people do in their 20s. Most of them are in their mid to late 30s and 40s.

Brilliant response, mate. Well done

 

[Ozriel]

I think the general fatigue with WW2 and the continued popularity of Warzone and the fact that it isn’t in a popular line of COD games (ie not Black Ops or MW) is what has harmed COD sales this year.

Must be a harsh blow to activision since they’ve pushed most of their studios to call of duty. The opportunity cost is immense.

that said, they’re making $5 million a day with Warzone so they’ll not be panicking.

 

[Edder1]

Lose a lot of money? Hell no lol. They'll still make off like bandits profit wise. Worst selling maybe, but it'll still be top 2 selling games of the year, if not top 1.

If it sells worse than the likes of Black Ops 4 and Infinite Warfare then you're looking at 300+ million in losses compared to Sledgehammer's previous games, potentially you're looking at 500+ million lost going by current sales. You're also looking at hundreds of millions in losses when it comes to multiplayer microtransaction earnings. You can pretend all you like but these are considerably losses to any company.

I mentioned earlier that when it comes to larger picture it may not be a big deal, but right here and now it is a big deal and serious questions will likely be asked in boardrooms as to why it underperformed. Activision is a cynical profit driven company that banks everything on Call of Duty, it's laughable to think that they will have no concern regarding such poor sales.

 

[Edder1]

Was this woke?

This doesn't make the point you think it does. Underground was a game based on French resistance. French women represented 15-20% of resistance fighters in France so historically this is an accurate representation. This is nothing like female super soldier in Vanguard that is taking on Nazis in Stalingrad almost all by herself. The problem with Vanguard isn't just the characters, it's also how they're wrongly represented. Women in WWII were used out of desperation like in France and in Russia during German siege, they certainly were not used as super soldiers and first line of offence. Even Lyudmila Pavlichenko on whom the Vanguard character is based on was immediately taken off duty once the likes of Odessa and Sevastopol (where she fought) were no longer under siege, she was then sent on tour to US and Canada as part of Soviet's strategy to gain support in opening second front against Nazis.

 

[Boss Mog]

I don’t want to spend all morning feeding the trolls, but I’ll bite just once.

So you seriously think that just because black men and women didn’t make up the majority of troops in WW2, they should never be depicted in any media? We aren’t talking about one or two people, 6.25% of US troops deployed abroad were African American: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_African_Americans

1.2 million served in the military as a whole during WW2: https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black-soldiers-world-war-ii-discrimination

Depicting them as military troops in WW2 media is absolutely not strange in the slightest, they played a key part in the US war effort. Furthermore, what do you mean, “these characters are always perfect in every way”. How can you tell that they are perfect in every way just from the Vanguard promotional materials

If you think that any poster of a black person needs to display some character flaw as a disclaimer below them in order to make it ok to depict them in media, I don’t even have words for how blatantly and undeniably racist that is. Seriously man, you need to cop on and grow up if you think that.

The comparison with Rwandan is a strawman argument. The US were a third party to that war. In this case, many African Americans WERE part of the US forces and are being depicted as such in Vanguard.

I never said that, I very much enjoyed movies like The Tuskegee Airmen. Those are very focused though whereas the last 2 big games about WW2 were very broad in scope, so when you're trying to be broad like that and only focusing on a very tiny minority of soldiers and embellishing their roles and altering history to fit a narrative, it seems very out of place. Even Kotaku has written an article saying Vanguard is too woke, that alone should tell you everything you need to know. Just like your use of the term "strawman argument" tells me everything I need to know about you.

 

[Skifi28]

This doesn't make the point you think it does. Underground was a game based on French resistance. French women represented 15-20% of resistance fighters in France so historically this is an accurate representation. This is nothing like female super soldier in Vanguard that is taking on Nazis in Stalingrad almost all by herself. The problem with Vanguard isn't just the characters, it's also how they're wrongly represented. Women in WWII were used out of desperation like in France and in Russia during German siege, they certainly were not used as super soldiers and first line of offence. Even Lyudmila Pavlichenko on who the Vanguard character is based on was immediately taken off duty once the likes of Odessa and Sevastopol (where she fought) were no longer under siege.

Are we really talking realism in FPS games where you are always a supersoldier killing thousands by your lonesome regardless of gender?

 

[TheKratos]

I feel people shitting on Vanguard haven't played the (full) game at all. I had no faith in Sledgehammer but it's a solid entry. Compare it to BF2042 which feels like an incomplete mess.

 

[Freeman76]

For me personally its my favourite CoD since tge 360 days, but can see why people are tired of the formula by now. This one is just pure fun as far as im concerned

 

[AdjudicatorHead]

I never said that, I very much enjoyed movies like The Tuskegee Airmen. Those are very focused though whereas the last 2 big games about WW2 were very broad in scope, so when you're trying to be broad like that and only focusing on a very tiny minority of soldiers and embellishing their roles and altering history to fit a narrative, it seems very out of place. Even Kotaku has written an article saying Vanguard is too woke, that alone should tell you everything you need to know. Just like your use of the term "strawman argument" tells me everything I need to know about you.

Oh, how will I carry on, a childish, racist bigot knows everything he needs to know about me. I’m wounded.

 

[AdjudicatorHead]

I feel people shitting on Vanguard haven't played the (full) game at all. I had no faith in Sledgehammer but it's a solid entry. Compare it to BF2042 which feels like an incomplete mess.

It’s absolutely true, anyone shitting on it I’ve seen hasn’t actually played it. From those playing it, I’ve seen nothing but praise and people having a tonne of fun!

 

[Edder1]

Are we really talking realism in FPS games where you are always a supersoldier killing thousands by your lonesome regardless of gender?

You're confusing realism and historical accuracy, those are two different things. Videogames can never be "realistic" in their gameplay and design because that would be burdensome on a player and not fun at all, but that doesn't mean they can't depict characters and events in an accurate manner. This is even more problematic when you're trying to re-write history and misrepresent it because of political correctness, something that has nothing to do with gameplay and design. Just look at Call of Duty 1-3 and WAW, those were very accurate representations of wars that they were based on.

 

[tommib]

I don't think she has time in between cramming her face full of donuts with her current design.

This is such a disgusting take. Alloy looks absolutely fine and athletic and not the obese monster people keep trying to sell outside of a one second frame.

 

[Edder1]

This is such a disgusting take. Alloy looks absolutely fine and athletic and not the obese monster people keep trying to sell outside of a one second frame.

Her face is very chunky, there's just no way getting around it, lol. Most women who are involved in warfare are not exactly pretty so it would be more accurate to make them less beautiful, however the reason there's backlash when it comes to Aloy is because they obviously made her face look less attractive compared to first game. Also her face getting more puffy while her body remains the same makes no sense whatsoever, lol.

 

[tommib]

Her face is very chunky, there's just no way getting around it, lol. Most women who are involved in warfare are not exactly pretty so it would be more accurate to make them less beautiful, however the reason there's backlash when it comes to Aloy is because they obviously made her face look less attractive compared to first game. Also her face getting more puffy while her body remains the same way makes no sense whatsoever, lol.

Very chunky?

 

[FunkMiller]

Why do so many of you fuckers care whether a female lead in a video game is hot or not?

Just go find yourself a woman in real life, or at least go off and get it out of your system on Pornhub or OnlyFans. Plenty of hot chicks there.

Video game characters don't need to be a wank fantasy, and if you're beating your meat to a bunch of pixels cooked up by a neckbeard developer, it might be time to re-evaluate your lifestyle choices.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Reading some posts in here i'll just believe some men commenting here believe real women look like 90's Lara Croft.
You guys should go out more. It's nice out there.

 

[tommib]

Why do so many of you fuckers care whether a female lead in a video game is hot or not?

Just go find yourself a woman in real life, or at least go off and get it out of your system on Pornhub or OnlyFans. Plenty of hot chicks there.

Video game characters don't need to be a wank fantasy, and if you're beating your meat to a bunch of pixels cooked up by a neckbeard developer, it might be time to re-evaluate your lifestyle choices.

They watch too much RuPaul’s Drag Race. It does that to you. You become an expert on facial features and make-up.

 

[Edder1]

tommib

Look at her forehead and cheeks in the images you posted, there's a serious issue there if you compare her model to first game, lol. And post some images up close or are you scared? Lol

 

[tommib]

tommib

Look at her forehead and cheeks in the images you posted, there's a serious issue there if you compare her model to first game, lol.

You should become a celebrity plastic surgeon not a videogame forum poster. It’s embarrassing!

 

[Edder1]

You should become a celebrity plastic surgeon not a videogame forum poster. It’s embarrassing!

See, people like you start resorting to snarky remarks when you can't face the truth and accept the evidence at hand. Yes go off topic and mock me, that will obviously make your case stronger...

 

[tommib]

See, people like you start resorting to snarky remarks when you can't face the truth and accept the evidence at hand. Yes go off topic and mock me, that will obviously make your case stronger...

What am I supposed to acknowledge? That Alloy has cheeks and a forehead? Ffs.

 

[TheGodfather07]

You should become a celebrity plastic surgeon not a videogame forum poster. It’s embarrassing!

people are literally starting too see and imagine things that just aint there. seriously man, people are becoming so fucked up, i would just love if i could leave the earth and live in another galaxy away from the madness that is human beings.

 

[Edder1]

What am I supposed to acknowledge? That Alloy has cheeks and a forehead?

Oh yes, that was the whole argument wasn't it, that she has cheeks and forehead... Lol, at least don't get into arguments if you aren't willing to own up.

 

[BbMajor7th]

...for Returnal, the main protagonist is a very ugly character model, average, manly haircut, constantly frowning or angry looking and generally an unlikable and personality devoid protagonist.

It's worth asking why this is so out of place at all. We see 'ugly, manly, constantly frowning, angry-looking and generally unlikeable' male characters all the time. Scarred up, surly, greying, anti-heroes who shoot first and ask questions later... It's almost comically standard for male video game protagonists. Why is it weird or 'woke' for a female protagonist to embody some of those qualities? Why can she can't be no-nonsense and unconcerned with her appearance (if she's, you know, all by herself thousand of light years from home).It only makes more sense when you consider the clear influence of cinematic titans like the Alien franchise, which featured a very similar female lead.

Would this happened ten years ago? Yes, because it was happening thirty years ago in massive Hollywood blockbusters like Aliens and Terminator (Sarah Conner in T2 is way more 'woke' than anything in Returnal). This isn't new - cinema and games both used to be way more varied and it was only with the rise of more sophisticated marketing that the unifying standards that were so pervasive by the early 2000s began to emerge. What's new is the political pressure created to change that and it's not all good by any means and as with most vehement movements you have people on both sides looking to bring down the hammer. But the problem is that to a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail. So, on one side, everything that doesn't feature a cast of contemporarily diverse characters, from all races, religious backgrounds and gender spectrums is automatically 'problematic' and anything that features any theme, character or concept that doesn't exemplify the worst trends of the early 2000s have 'gone woke'.

To me, that's the issue. OP is a someone with hammer seeing everything as a nail: if the game doesn't have the same glib, hard-man attitude as something like Gears of War, it's probably 'woke'. And that's not to say I'm here defend every aspect of the modern political pressures exerted on global media, I could go on all day in fact about how it much it gets wrong while trying to do right, but a bit more variety in what we consume isn't an issue - in fact, it's great - because, I don't about anyone else, but I get bored of eating the same shit every day.

 

[OneShotThrill]

If youre going to feature black soldier in a WW2 it needs to be done correctly. How about show what black people actually endured. Idk show French colonial troops logistic struggles and mistreatment by Nazis. Show black US troops being discriminated against and sent to porter duties. Then they can write in how they kick ass and die like everyone else. Stop turning these historical human and civil rights travesties into some "minority representation" checklist to promote your brand. Its an insult to what these men and women fought against and for which they died.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Oh yes, that was the whole argument wasn't it, that she has cheeks and forehead... Lol, at least don't get into arguments if you aren't willing to own up.

Your posts are serving this viral tweet from a few months ago, honestly:

These following pictures are even more recent than the latest gameplay trailer:

There's literally nothing wrong with her face.
I have yet to see any topics or discussions in here about male faces and their big foreheads or weird cheeks. Somehow only women's looks in games are criticized for some reason. Why is that?

 

[Edder1]

Your posts are serving this viral tweet from a few months ago, honestly:

These following pictures are even more recent than the latest gameplay trailer:

There's literally nothing wrong with her face.
I have yet to see any topics or discussions in here about male faces and their big foreheads or weird cheeks. Somehow only women's looks in games are criticized for some reason. Why is that?

The fact that you posting some tweet to misrepresent what I said is quite frankly pathetic. I never compared her face in sequel to a super model lookalike in that tweet, smh. I clearly stated that her facial structure is different to her facial structure in previous game, that is a fact that anyone with two eyes and willingness to stick facts will accept.

 

[BattleScar]

Sigh…do I really need to derail this thread further?

Listen, in today’s British Army only 9.2% of people are not white. BAME people as they say. In two thousand fucking twenty one! Now imagine in 1940s And you put that guy on your cover. No, not woke at all. Still waiting for a day when they’ll gather courage and do authentic African countries stories, not holding my breath.

Firstly, you started it with your weak bait about Returnal and Deathloop being woke. Hard to derail something that was never on track to begin with.

There's a lot of rubbish in this post which others will unpack in the fullness of time, but allow me to address this point specifically.
The reason the British army only has 9.2% BAME people in it, is because the British population is roughly 10-15% BAME. Pretty accurate representation of the population methinks.

Also women comprise a whopping ~50% of the human population. So based on that, the ratio of women to men leads should be 50:50 no?

 

[BbMajor7th]

The fact that you posting some tweet to misrepresent what I said is quite frankly pathetic. I never compared her face in sequel to a super model lookalike in that tweet, smh. I clearly stated that her facial structure is different to her facial structure in previous game, that is a fact that anyone with two eyes and willingness to stick facts will accept.

You know should take a look at how CDPR changed Geralt's face over the course of three games - now that was some real bullshit. Higher cheekbones, squarer jaw, sharper straighter nose... smh

Lara Croft has changed way more during the years. Sometimes from one sequel to the next, even during the same trilogy and i don't remember half of the controversy that's happening surrounding Alloy's change:

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition:

Rise:

Again...the Alloy thing is a non-issue.

Doesn't count because Lara is still hot.

 

[Doctor Hades]

Call of Duty is a very tired franchise for me as someone who traditionally only ever played the single player campaigns and never touched the online multiplayer beyond trying them briefly (personally, I find online shooters to be extremely repetitive outside of a narrative and don't find anything appealing about shooting the same group of people over and over and over again on the same handful of increasingly dull maps. For me, it's literally gaming hell but each to their own, eh?).

I loved the first two games on PC, set in WWII, but as it moved to console the series started to get more and more stale. As such I stopped buying the games after the one that came with the excellent Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare remaster (whatever that one was?). The format is just boring in my opinion, I watch the trailers every year, yawn and cross it off my Wanted list. The games' campaigns feel more akin to a light gun game and might as well play on rails for all the interaction you have shooting the pop up enemies with lacklustre A.I.; clearing them out as you move to the next 'trigger' point and bombastic over the top set-piece. There's no depth, the story and characters are forgettable and even the action-packed set-pieces wear thin quickly once I realise how shallow the gameplay is. Call of Duty has always been a flimsy package in my view and every year you can see the publisher desperately trying to come up with new ideas to keep people buying it each year, including setting it in the future and even in space!!! I am actually surprised that franchise fatigue has not set in sooner.

As far as multiplayer goes, while I do not enjoy it, I can understand why people might if they are into competitive online shooters and enjoy playing with friends but given that these typically are even more limited in terms of what they can do with the format beyond offering different maps to run around in and weapons to shoot then I always wondered why people don't stick with what they have instead of upgrading to a new game each year? I guess I am not the only one wondering that if sales are down. Or maybe people are just waiting for the new Battlefield game instead before deciding which one to buy?

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The fact that you posting some tweet to misrepresent what I said is quite frankly pathetic. I never compared her face in sequel to a super model lookalike in that tweet, smh. I clearly stated that her facial structure is different to her facial structure in previous game, that is a fact that anyone with two eyes and willingness to stick facts will accept.

Lara Croft has changed way more during the years. Sometimes from one sequel to the next, even during the same trilogy and i don't remember half of the controversy that's happening surrounding Alloy's change:

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition:

Rise:

Again...the Alloy thing is a non-issue.

 

[TheGodfather07]

The fact that you posting some tweet to misrepresent what I said is quite frankly pathetic. I never compared her face in sequel to a super model lookalike in that tweet, smh. I clearly stated that her facial structure is different to her facial structure in previous game, that is a fact that anyone with two eyes and willingness to stick facts will accept.

if it just her facial structure has changed, than what exactly is your issue? its no big deal at all and happens often in games.

 

[Edder1]

You know should take a look at how CDPR changed Geralt's face over the course of three games - now that was some real bullshit. Higher cheekbones, squarer jaw, sharper straighter nose... smh

Is that because the previous two games were made on hardware that wasn't able to capture character models believably? I mean Nathan Drake has gone throughasaive change from 3 to 4 because hardware allowed for more realistic characters and that's perfectly understandable. However that excuse would not really fly for a game like Horizon that is still based on PS4 hardware primarily.

PS4 was able to render characters pretty well when it came to main bodily feature, so we are likely to see less drastic changes going forward like we did with PS3-PS4 transition. What you'll see on new hardware is just same models but with much more detail becaut of diminishing returns.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's worth asking why this is so out of place at all. We see 'ugly, manly, constantly frowning, angry-looking and generally unlikeable' male characters all the time. Scarred up, surly, greying, anti-heroes who shoot first and ask questions later... It's almost comically standard for male video game protagonists. Why is it weird or 'woke' for a female protagonist to embody some of those qualities? Why can she can't be no-nonsense and unconcerned with her appearance (if she's, you know, all by herself thousand of light years from home).It only makes more sense when you consider the clear influence of cinematic titans like the Alien franchise, which featured a very similar female lead.

He can’t jerk off to her. That’s literally what this is all about.

 

[Jadsey]

I'm the first one to call out wokeness as being a problem, but there is literally nothing remotely woke about Returnal or Deathloop.

 

[Edder1]

Lara Croft has changed way more during the years. Sometimes from one sequel to the next, even during the same trilogy and i don't remember half of the controversy that's happening surrounding Alloy's change:

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition:

Rise:

Again...the Alloy thing is a non-issue.

Tomb Raider makes even less sense than Horizon since there's less than 3 years between first and third game. Horizon gap is smaller, but changes in Tomb Raider are more drastic.

 

[oldergamer]

Not of that is important! What's the percentage for the metaphysical?

 

[VulcanRaven]

This doesn't make the point you think it does. Underground was a game based on French resistance. French women represented 15-20% of resistance fighters in France so historically this is an accurate representation. This is nothing like female super soldier in Vanguard that is taking on Nazis in Stalingrad almost all by herself. The problem with Vanguard isn't just the characters, it's also how they're wrongly represented. Women in WWII were used out of desperation like in France and in Russia during German siege, they certainly were not used as super soldiers and first line of offence. Even Lyudmila Pavlichenko on who the Vanguard character is based on was immediately taken off duty once the likes of Odessa and Sevastopol (where she fought) were no longer under siege.

Wikipedia says that parts of the game are set in North Africa so it might not be historically accurate:

France has been occupied by Nazi Germany in 1940. Manon assists her brother Jacques, who is killed in an attempted heist. Manon carries out her mission for the resistance until she is found and recruited by the OSS, who assign her around North Africa and Europe to foil the Nazis' defenses and plans of invasion until 1944, when Manon returns to help liberate Paris and avenge Jacques.

Medal of Honor: Underground - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BbMajor7th]

Is that because the previous two games were made on hardware that wasn't able to capture character models believably? I mean Nathan Drake has gone throughasaive change from 3 to 4 because hardware allowed for more realistic characters and that's perfectly understandable. However that excuse would not really fly for a game like Horizon that is still based on PS4 hardware primarily.

PS4 was able to render characters pretty well when it came to main bodily feature, so we are likely to see less drastic changes going forward like we did with PS3-PS4 transition. What you'll see on new hardware is just same models but with much more detail becaut of diminishing returns.

The most drastic alteration in Geralt's appearance was between the first two Witcher games, which both launched (not quite, but almost) exclusively on PC only four years apart. The difference in his appearance is absolutely nothing to do with tech and is entirely aesthetically driven - original Geralt was ugly AF and they just decided he'd be more saleable to a wider audience if they made him prettier. Now, he's hot as hell. Combine that appearance with the increasingly athletic physique and Doug Cockle's throaty transatlantic accent and you've got a guy that a whole lot of women (and men) would err... toss their coin to, so to speak.

 

[Edder1]

Wikipedia says that parts of the game are set in North Africa so it might not be historically accurate:

Medal of Honor: Underground - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Apparently there were French women fighters in North Africa, probably because they lived there at the time as it was colony of France. I'm not expert on this but it doesn't seem unrealistic.

 

[reksveks]

When even Kotaku says you’re too woke, you just know how far you went. Listen, in today’s British Army only 9.2% of people are not white. BAME people as they say. In two thousand fucking twenty one! Now imagine in 1940s And you put that guy on your cover. No, not woke at all. Still waiting for a day when they’ll gather courage and do authentic African countries stories, not holding my breath.

I was wondering what the size of total British army was and how did it compare to the size of the Indian army or armies from the other colonies in the British Empire? Saw that the Indian army reached 2.5m and the total men from Britain was 2.9m served. I don't know what the arena of war that they contributed in but there was definitely some overlap; obviously if the game is based in a region where you didn't have those regiments then it's 'historically inaccuracy' personally I don't give a fuck too much when it's a game. I didn't worry too much about it in Dunkirk; I am trying to remember if there is any representation of any Indian soldiers in that film cause it seems like there was some in real-life.

I don't think using the BAME stat's for 2021 really works, the situation is very different to that time period; the majority of British people at the start of ww2 didn't really want indian people here in the UK.

PS I want more diverse creators developing games; I want more games like Raji. Not sure that we should be expecting or necessarily wanting US dev's to make those types of games. We should want MS/Sony and other companies investing into those creators.

 

[Edder1]

The most drastic alteration in Geralt's appearance was between the first two Witcher games, which both launched (not quite, but almost) exclusively on PC only four years apart. The difference in his appearance is absolutely nothing to do with tech and is entirely aesthetically driven - original Geralt was ugly AF and they just decided he'd be more saleable to a wider audience if they made him prettier. Now, he's hot as hell. Combine that appearance with the increasingly athletic physique and Doug Cockle's throaty transatlantic accent and you've got a guy that a whole lot of women (and men) would err... toss their coin to, so to speak.

Looking at Witcher 1 and 2 there's no way they could have rendered realistic characters with what they had at hand. Having said that, you're right, they have beatified Geralt a lot to make him more marketable.

 

[McCheese]

I didn’t even know this game was out, haven’t really seen any adverts for it. Couldn’t even tell you what period it’s set in.

my 2cents is that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy, sites think less people are interested so don’t give it as much coverage, then lack of coverage results in less people being interested.

 

[Interfectum]

Ooops

26% for physical, 44% for digital.

UK Call of Duty launch sales down 40% year-on-year

Call of Duty: Vanguard's launch sales in the UK are down 40% over last year's game, the latest GSD data shows.Physical …

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How’s that woke thing going for you devs and pubs? Returnal (500k sold) and Deathloop (total flop with unprecedented marketing campaign, 900 active players few hours ago lol) know the feeling.

While you got shit on for the thread derail (and you probably did derail your own thread with this) I do think you have a solid point which will be seen many more times this generation.

 

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So is UK the biggest region for sales? All I ever see is talk of UK sales on games.

How about sales in the US? I'd assume COD and other games like it are more popular here than in UK.

Unfortunately the game sucks, but yes, there was a lot more excitement for 2042 than Vanguard.

Yeah. You would figure no campaign means you can 100% focus on making MP the best it can be...