alucard0712_rus
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No one talking about poor video quality?
My brain can adopt to latency but poor video quality just kills it for me.
My brain can adopt to latency but poor video quality just kills it for me.
Cars should never replace horses!
input lag and zero access to game files are the 2 main things that makes cloud gaming just an awful idea.
as long as it only is used as an alternative it's totally fine, but should it ever actually take over, that would mean archiving games will become impossible and developers/publishers can simply take their games out of existence at any point
Yeah cheaper. Because it's shit.Cheaper ? What are your datas ?
You just need a hardware able to run a 720P video feed, 15 mbps internet, 50 if you're not single.
If you play f2p it's cheaper than a PS4.
If you play AAA it's faaaaaaaar cheaper than PS5:
RDR2
Stadia 60 bucks and that's it.
PS5 560 bucks...
It will at some point. The question is just when.
Cheaper ? What are your datas ?
You just need a hardware able to run a 720P video feed, 15 mbps internet, 50 if you're not single.
If you play f2p it's cheaper than a PS4.
If you play AAA it's faaaaaaaar cheaper than PS5:
RDR2
Stadia 60 bucks and that's it.
PS5 560 bucks...
Except the starting price is nowhere near that for console gamers, and games don't stay at $70 forever. You can easily build a backlog buying games for half that price. Even for PC gamers they're generally new components bit-by-bit, and the proportion that buy $1,000 GPUs is very small.This makes sense. For example, the people here in the US that are able to find a PS5 or Series X for "manufacturer's retail price" always post on social media like they've won the lottery. I know that for me personally, the only next-gen consoles I've seen are the ones I ordered from Amazon because I hounded Wario64s twitter and pre-ordered them when they sold out within seconds. And these consoles have been out for nearly two years now.
With growing inflation, and chip shortages, gas shortages, etc. these consoles should have probably launched with an MSRP of $800-$1,000 (or more) here in the US. Scalpers are certainly making more money than that, so the demand is obviously there for that price point to be viable for them. My guess is that less and less consoles are being made now simply because selling them wholesale to places like Amazon or Walmart is probably costing Sony and Microsoft a ton of money at this point, or at best they're breaking even. Meanwhile, the average scalper is acting as a weird middleman that's making massive profits.
When the next-next gen consoles (or Pro variants) arrive, they'll likely be more expensive than any other console before it. They'll probably get laughed at for being too expensive like the 3DS or PS3 - but the reality will be that they simply can't make those consoles and not charge a premium for them. I could definitely see gaming consoles retailing for $1,000 or more soon. Hell with modern inflation (vs 1991) a Neo-Geo would cost $1,400.
Sure, for us enthusiasts we'll pay the premium. A lot of us PC gamers already do, when high end graphics cards can cost $1,000 or more. For most people, Cloud gaming will become a more and more affordable option as time goes on. When faced with a choice of a $1,000+ upfront investment + $70 per game, or $10-$15 per month for a changing assortment of games, I know which one most struggling US families would pick... Even if it means sacrificing visual fidelity or having to put up with input lag.
My honesty is without limit () so yeah i'll admit that.No one talking about poor video quality?
My brain can adopt to latency but poor video quality just kills it for me.
That's just 'bad' provisioning imo (not really bad cause there always will be a delay but it's fixable if you wanted to pay for it)but if they start getting more gamers then you'll have wait times to get on to the servers like with GFN. There are always trade offs.
Where i think discounting on King mtx might get a bit interestingAlso most casuals that like to play games on their phone simply aren't going to pay $10 - $15 to subscribe a a cloud gaming platform.
Stadia is shitMy honesty is without limit () so yeah i'll admit that.
Hezekiah
RDR2 on Stadia is shit ?
Indeed, the first hour has a pretty mediocre image (snow particles + night = often bad artifact on streaming services)
For the rest, sorry but my shit runs at 60 FPS (30 on the Next Gen), that's why i have less latency (only PC gamers have better results) no DL, no updates, no more lack of storage like the Series S and i can share my games with 5 groups of people.
How about that ?
You're in a denial mode, pawl
Without Stadia, i would have bought a PS4 only for RDR2 at 30 FPS.(console + the game: 200 useless bucks because Cyberpunk runs like shit on it...
So my only way to play RDR2/Cyberpunk with decent performances was Stadia/GFN.(won't buy a next gen for them)
That's just 'bad' provisioning imo (not really bad cause there always will be a delay but it's fixable if you wanted to pay for it)
Not as the main form of transport. Which is what I’m getting at regarding tech changes.And yet people still ride horses.
Yeah, there is that incentive as well.I'd say it is probably strategic provisioning. GFN doesn't get any funds from free tier so gamers are stuck in long queues just to be able to play a game for a single hour at a time. Free tier is more like a demo to get gamers to subscribe.
Not as the main form of transport. Which is what I’m getting at regarding tech changes.
Yeah, there is that incentive as well.
Bad was a poor phrasing but my point was that I don't doubt Google and MS, if they wanted to, could fund (through other rev streams) enough hw/servers to mean they dont have queues. MS are kinda doing imo that for f2p, they are probably hoping that they make their money through the mtx.
Because i believe it will happen. It's that simple. That doesn't mean i like it.Why do people like you say things like this?
The Internet will Never Take Off!
Amazon will Never Work!
WiFi? Lmao!
Touchscreen? Disgusting!
Netflix is a pipedream!
Bitcoin above a $? You're deluded.
Console FPS? Pffttttt
I will NEVER buy Digital Games! <---- 2016
Sony won't go to PC! I will Riot! <---- You were here Last Summer
Imagine thinking the CLOUD will ever replace Local Hardware! <---- You are here now.
Because i believe it will happen. It's that simple. That doesn't mean i like it.
That generation already exists with people who stopped caring if they own CDs/Vinyls of their favorite artists and gave that up for the convenience of streaming.There would need to be a whole generation of people that just don't find any advantages to owning their games (be it hard copies or downloads).
You must have been a board member of Blockbuster that laughed at the idea of Netflix as it was being presented.A service that delivers worse latency and IQ that's worse then low bitrate YouTube video from over a decade ago.
Yeah I can see it taking off.
Vinyl records are dead.
Seqway will redefine the world.
PC gaming is dead (ten years ago)
This is the last console generation (two gens ago)
etc. etc.
That generation already exists with people who stopped caring if they own CDs/Vinyls of their favorite artists and gave that up for the convenience of streaming.
You must have been a board member of Blockbuster that laughed at the idea of Netflix as it was being presented.
It was a matter of time. Look who has Spotify.
No one thought of Segways as life changing. Maybe Fatass Americans.
No one thought of this either.
What the fuck. That wasn't even 2 generations ago. It is probably leading to it now.
Streaming music is noticeably worse in sound quality than traditional physical formats and yet in the span of 10 years people just didn't care. The same will happen here. Physical game copies will output 4K or even 8K, but if streaming can do 2K quality I would bet the majority would flock to the cheaper/more convenient option.The people comparing the TV and music industry to gaming are kinda missing the point - those are passive forms of entertainment. Things like input lag and image quality are massive negatives in an active form of entertainment like gaming.
CDs, Vinyls, and standard DVDs (720p quality) are sold today as relics of a bygone era for people who enjoy retro formats. I don't understand how this helps your argument. Are you saying that consoles will be available as gimmicks for a few people to still purchase and reminisce about? If so I agree lol.But there are still people who buy them and so companies still sell them.
And you can still rent DVDs from Netflix.
CDs, Vinyls, and standard DVDs (720p quality) are sold today as relics of a bygone era for people who enjoy retro formats. I don't understand how this helps your argument. Are you saying that consoles will be available as gimmicks for a few people to still purchase and reminisce about? If so I agree lol.
Plus, for 100 million switch gamers AAA games are limited to 720P/30 FPS:Streaming music is noticeably worse in sound quality than traditional physical formats and yet in the span of 10 years people just didn't care. The same will happen here. Physical game copies will output 4K or even 8K, but if streaming can do 2K quality I would bet the majority would flock to the cheaper/more convenient option.
Yep, not to mention when Cyberpunk 2077 came out, the Stadia version was a superior version to the Xbox One and PS4 version lol.Plus, for 100 million switch gamers AAA games are limited to 720P/30 FPS:
https://nintendosoup.com/metro-redu...20p-in-tv-mode-and-480p-in-handheld-mode/amp/
So i don't think the 4K of Stadia will be a problem for these people. (in fact, some switch players are buying AAA on Stadia instead of buying Series X or PS5)
It kinda does for a free to play game, will be more in the future but yeah, i have only had 1/2 occasions of a queue.xCloud doesn't have a free tier, but I haven't had much issues getting a game spun up yet and they are still in beta.
Stadia as a service for consumers I think is going to die sadly but can see them just allow white-labeling to be cheap enough that most large publishers are using it. The issue is whether users will want to deal with that in terms of various services but who knows.Stadia needs more consumer adoption more than anything at this point. They seem to be the red-headed stepchild of cloud gaming with their poor launch and limited selection
It kinda does for a free to play game, will be more in the future but yeah, i have only had 1/2 occasions of a queue.
That's a funny way of handwaving cloud issues because now your favorite brand does it.Your console has a lot of input lag. Mind blown, I know.
Fortnite on xCloud just needs an Xbox account, they are looking to add more F2P games.Hmm, I thought you didn't need Gold for FTP, but xCloud required GPU.
There would need to be a whole generation of people that just don't find any advantages to owning their games (be it hard copies or downloads).
With an entire generation growing up knowing they'll probably never be able to own a home, I think the nuance of "owning" or having "access" to a game is the least of their concern. As long as it boots up and plays when they want it too, they wont care.
That's right ya little bag of meat... just consoooooooooom.With an entire generation growing up knowing they'll probably never be able to own a home, I think the nuance of "owning" or having "access" to a game is the least of their concern. As long as it boots up and plays when they want it too, they wont care.
That's the end game of Capitalism.That's right ya little bag of meat... just consoooooooooom.
It's already and has been in full effect, for many.That's the end game of Capitalism.
That generation already exists with people who stopped caring if they own CDs/Vinyls of their favorite artists and gave that up for the convenience of streaming.
Not having to buy a $500 console is a huge convenience.Totally different. The convenience factor of not physically walking around with 200 CDs is different from "only" being able to stream a game. In some ways, cloud gaming can be less convenient.
Not having to buy a $500 console is a huge convenience.
No way, only people unused to gaming will accept lag that directly impacts the quality of your play as an alternative to dedicated hardware.Streaming music is noticeably worse in sound quality than traditional physical formats and yet in the span of 10 years people just didn't care. The same will happen here. Physical game copies will output 4K or even 8K, but if streaming can do 2K quality I would bet the majority would flock to the cheaper/more convenient option.
It was a matter of time. Look who has Spotify.
No one thought of Segways as life changing. Maybe Fatass Americans.
No one thought of this either.
What the fuck. That wasn't even 2 generations ago. It is probably leading to it now.
With an entire generation growing up knowing they'll probably never be able to own a home, I think the nuance of "owning" or having "access" to a game is the least of their concern. As long as it boots up and plays when they want it too, they wont care.
This is the WEF made up of world leaders alongside powerful wealthy people, and this article from them is dated 2016.My man........are you 10 years old? People 100% said PC gaming was dead. Plus they did say the PS4 generation would be the last generation. How do you NOT know this? Unless..................
No conspiracy talk from me on this, but yeah...............I'm not surprised that there are business people out here saying this in 2022 as a form on "Inception". Hoping that 8 years later we'll be thinking it was our idea the whole time.
Not having to buy a $500 console is a huge convenience.
Not having to buy a $500 console is a huge convenience.