5th gen games, from FF7-9 where battles were 15 FPS to Zelda OoT average of 15-25 FPS, Doom was 25 FPS and even lower on some console versions, there were a lot of sub 30 games that gen, people love to rag on about 30 vs 60 these days and while 60 is better it doesn't mean a solid 30 is unplayable.Which games? Even on my Gameboy (1989), 60fps was standard.
5th gen games, from FF7-9 where battles were 15 FPS to Zelda OoT average of 15-25 FPS, Doom was 25 FPS and even lower on some console versions, there were a lot of sub 30 games that gen, people love to rag on about 30 vs 60 these days and while 60 is better it doesn't mean a solid 30 is unplayable.
Not really. Film works because each frame is not a capture of a point in time but a capture of a chunk of time.Low framerates have always looked like shit. And the comparison to film is retarded, in film it's bearable because film isn't interactive. 24FPS with decent motion blur can look...okay...as long as the refresh rate is a multiple of 24. As soon as you ask me to control basically anything on screen however that low framerate is laid bare. It's20202021, 60FPS should be the bare minimum target.
5th gen games, from FF7-9 where battles were 15 FPS to Zelda OoT average of 15-25 FPS, Doom was 25 FPS and even lower on some console versions, there were a lot of sub 30 games that gen, people love to rag on about 30 vs 60 these days and while 60 is better it doesn't mean a solid 30 is unplayable.
I'm playing on a 75 hz Asus monitor. Motion blur off.So, did you get a new TV recently?
It's more difficult if a person breaths with his eyes30 fps killed my father.
As time and technology moves on, we should adapt to it. Not so long ago, i was thinking 720p is the sharpest image that will ever come to this earth.It kills my eyes and my brain seeing all these boring topics about "oh my god, 30 fps is bad, my life is ruined".
30 fps is PERFECTLY FINE when stable on consoles. Stop the drama. I don't give a shit about 60+ fps on consoles and I will choose forever better graphics vs 60 fps.
You want real "low" framerate ? Play the N64 and enjoy 10-15 fps.
Help yourself:
1) Get a PC for 720+ fps
2) Enjoy life
You're welcome.
Must suck to turn on the TV then
It doesn't bother me while watching a movie/tv show. Some people explained it here, you should read them. And i searched for some 60fps movies and i think they are looking really good. gemini man 60fps youtube link.How do you do with 24 FPS movies? I fucking hate motion in movies. The Transformers movies big fight scenes feel like a game stuttering when I watch it. That said, 30 FPS is 25% faster and not too bad in some games. I haven't noticed any issues in the new Spiderman on PS5. I plan to play TLoU 2 next so I will see if that game is problematic.
It depends on your perception of smooth. If you play it after a 60 fps game it is more difficult to take. I played god of war with unlocked frame rate on PS4pro and it was ok, couldn't play 30 fps version.I agree op. However tlou2 is a bad example. It runs preclude smooth at 30fps surprisingly. Try god of war now that is disgusting at 30fps
Relax old man. This is what happens when you don't read OP. Oblivion killed my eyes with 15-20 fps(because my rigs power back then, that is). I was aware but couldn't fight with FPS though.Pussy, back in my day we played 15-20FPS and we enjoyed it, we didn't even know what FPS was! Kids these days......
As explained before, they are different types of materials. But it could be, i don't know.If 30fps could cause myopia, then i'm afraid watching movies at 24fps, your whole life, did most of the damage.
It hurts my eyes, that's a fact. I'm wearing glasses so it can't go worse than this. Trying to save our futureYeah, most people prefer 60fps over 39fps, but:
“it’s really hurting my eyes and I’m concerned about the long term effects on my health”
Oh fuck off dude, what a load of shite!
I love all of my consoles(ps2,3,4pro,nes,atari) and pc's(ati radeon 9819203810, celeron cpu's, and my dream pc with pentium 4 3.0ghz) that i had to this date. But we have to move on. I don't understand people who says "that was ok back then, why are you whining in 2021?". Should we use horse wagons instead of Tesla too?30 FPS has never been an issue and the only ones making it an issue are overzealous console warring kiddies.
I'm playing on a 75 hz Asus monitor. Motion blur off.
It's more difficult if a person breaths with his eyes
As time and technology moves on, we should adapt to it. Not so long ago, i was thinking 720p is the sharpest image that will ever come to this earth.
It doesn't bother me while watching a movie/tv show. Some people explained it here, you should read them. And i searched for some 60fps movies and i think they are looking really good. gemini man 60fps youtube link.
If you always game on consol with 30 fps games, it will probably be an ok experience. It hurts most when you switch from master race
It depends on your perception of smooth. If you play it after a 60 fps game it is more difficult to take. I played god of war with unlocked frame rate on PS4pro and it was ok, couldn't play 30 fps version.
Relax old man. This is what happens when you don't read OP. Oblivion killed my eyes with 15-20 fps(because my rigs power back then, that is). I was aware but couldn't fight with FPS though.
As explained before, they are different types of materials. But it could be, i don't know.
It hurts my eyes, that's a fact. I'm wearing glasses so it can't go worse than this. Trying to save our future
I love all of my consoles(ps2,3,4pro,nes,atari) and pc's(ati radeon 9819203810, celeron cpu's, and my dream pc with pentium 4 3.0ghz) that i had to this date. But we have to move on. I don't understand people who says "that was ok back then, why are you whining in 2021?". Should we use horse wagons instead of Tesla too?
Speaking about myself. After playing on 60+ I just can’t go back to 30 anymore man. Played plenty of 30fps games this last gen, I managed but it doesn’t mean that it was alright for me.I am all for progress and would love to see more 60 FPS games, however my issue is with those that make hyperbolic shitposts claiming they 30 is unplayable, that it literally causes them pain, among other asinine claims.
Growing tired of all the low effort trash posts lately like those that I mentioned. Having an actual discussion is one thing. Making up shit is another.
This is new. Too smooth is a problem now?I prefer 30 fps. 60 looks too smooth.
I don’t understand not liking motion blur, especially for 30fps games. It makes them feel so much better to play.I turned off motion blur because it makes me sick even more.
Am i look like a troll to you(besides my avatar)? Are you happy with your 30 fps games? Or did you triggered because your beloved consoles(ps, xbox, switch, whatever) criticized?
I think it depends on the game implementation some games are worse than others, I like when games give you a choice between per object motion blur and camera motion blur though.I don’t understand not liking motion blur, especially for 30fps games. It makes them feel so much better to play.
That explains it then, you have a display with a really low response time so 30 fps looks like crap on it without motion blur or black frame insertion (MB being a bandaid for the problem and BFI being a better solution but harder to do because you need tons of light to counter the brightness drop, which monitors don't usually have).I'm playing on a 75 hz Asus monitor. Motion blur off.
after all these years it's nice to see console owners realise we weren't talking shit. 30fps is fine in some situations but imo 60fps should be absolute minimum.Started torchlight on xsx and it’s awful. It has to be 30fps or something, coming from playing a 60fps game to this really is unplayable.
after all these years it's nice to see console owners realise we weren't talking shit. 30fps is fine in some situations but imo 60fps should be absolute minimum.
i'm getting flashbacks of playing games at 10-20fps at 720p on my laptop years ago before i built a PC.30fps is like playing slightly drunk, 15-20 fps is like very drunk while 60 is sober and 120 and above is being really full of energy and alert
If youre a PC gamer then you shouldve know that 30 fps on consoles has nothing to do with developer unwilling to do sohonestly i think 30fps is fine on consoles if implemented properly. it's not all about frame rate but pacing. could be a solid 30fps but shitty pacing ruins it. also 30fps is largely depedant on what kind of screen you have. on my old TV i had no problems with 30fps but on my OLED it is a disaster cause those TVs are designed for 40-120hz.
and i say this as someone who is used to playing at 165Hz on PC and my eyes start to hurt if it goes below 90fps. 90-120hz is the sweetspot. above 120hz it's diminished returns. i can still obviously play games at 60fps but it's jarring when you're running at ~120-160fps and it drops to like 40-60fps.
Ding ding. We have a winner.You need a PC
It's not perfect but it's nice to have the better graphics option. They built those preferences into the console settings so I suspect many more games will go that route in the future. That way I and many others can keep playing with all these nice extra effects and not really noticing anything bad about 30 and you and others can go on playing at 60Do you hear that approaching thunder?
Its the sound of 1000s of frothing at the mouth Sony fans furiously typing up dissertations on why 30fps is perfect for games and super extra cinematic.
What have you done op....WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Uh but couldn't they make the game look worse and have it be 60?If youre a PC gamer then you shouldve know that 30 fps on consoles has nothing to do with developer unwilling to do so
Its because of console hardware limitation
The same people who prefer bush over shaved I guessThis is new. Too smooth is a problem now?
They can but they won’t. Graphics sells, not high frames. So as long as it is a selling point, don’t expect anything else.Uh but couldn't they make the game look worse and have it be 60?
Well every console or PC has a limit if they keep pushing graphics to the max. I think the devs this new gen seem to be allowing more options which is what's probably bestThey can but they won’t. Graphics sells, not high frames. So as long as it is a selling point, don’t expect anything else.
60fps sells to me. I often just buy the game on PC later because of it, so at least Sony is losing out on my money or I will wait for a 60fps patch, if none arrives then I might not buy the game at all.They can but they won’t. Graphics sells, not high frames. So as long as it is a selling point, don’t expect anything else.
On PC you always have options. New consoles the same but not as flexible as PCWell every console or PC has a limit if they keep pushing graphics to the max. I think the devs this new gen seem to be allowing more options which is what's probably best
You, me and plenty others. The people that are bringing the profit are the ones that doesn't give a damn60fps sells to me. I often just buy the game on PC later because of it, so at least Sony is losing out on my money or I will wait for a 60fps patch, if none arrives then I might not buy the game at all.
I've never played a game in 30 when there is a higher fps option available and often the 30 fps taints the experience in a constant subdued frustration at less responsive controls and blurrier image in motion due to Sample and Hold of displays.
I hope that now with the new generation and most new releases including 60fps it becomes a standard option, even for Naughty Dog.On PC you always have options. New consoles the same but not as flexible as PC
The casual consumer doesn't give a damn about performance
You, me and plenty others. The people that are bringing the profit are the ones that doesn't give a damn
We both know very well that the market is bigger than a enthusiasts on a gaming forum
We aren't going to see any sacrifices as long as pretty images are the selling point
It makes me dizzy. You can search on google, there are a lot of people like me.I don’t understand not liking motion blur, especially for 30fps games. It makes them feel so much better to play.
I think you may be right about this. I always thought that 60 fps spoiled me but this could be the case. I remember playing 30fps games on TV(years ago). It was not as good as a 60 fps experience, but never felt that bad like this. I will try it on my Samsung Full HD TV and let you know.That explains it then, you have a display with a really low response time so 30 fps looks like crap on it without motion blur or black frame insertion (MB being a bandaid for the problem and BFI being a better solution but harder to do because you need tons of light to counter the brightness drop, which monitors don't usually have).
Try connecting the PS to one of your TVs in the house (Not an OLED, same problem) and see if you think it looks any better than the monitor. Also check the model of the TV so we can compare the response time to that of the Asus monitor.
I wouldn't recommend playing 30fps games on panels that have really fast response times, like most monitors or OLED TVs, it will look like shit, ask anyone here who bought an OLED after only owning LCDs before. Suddenly they will be more interested in games being 60fps minimum because 30 looks extremely stuttery on their new TV, TLOU2 motion probably looks quite jarring on an OLED (without motion blur turned on) vs. an LCD TV.
I'd prefer the technology to get better at presenting the 30 frames per second to our eyes in a way that doesn't introduce stutter than we downgrade all graphics just to push more frames.
Tell that dev to give us two options pls.me: can i play this game?
devs: can your console/pc run it in 60 fps?
me: no, but im allright with a steady 30 fps.
dev:
me: sooooo..., can i play this game?
dev: no!
me:
dev: all i can do are muddy textures.
me: but why tho?
dev: bc OP FEELS that way!
Object motion blur is generally good. But camera motion blur as you look around is horrible, I always turn that shit down to zero. Even I get a bit nauseated my lots of camera motion blur in games, not so much in movies. It a bit like getting car sic, it's a feedback loop between what you expect from your inputs or feel in the car and what your eyes see not adding up to what our senses have evolved for.I don’t understand not liking motion blur, especially for 30fps games. It makes them feel so much better to play.