SymbolicGamer
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Xbox One games will look better because it's actually a Porsche.
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How much different will X1 and PS4 multiplats be visually?
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Closer then a lot of folks on here think.
That KZ screenshot was from months ago, you're assuming nothing has changed between an early dev kits and now I guess. Even Penello said the XBO's at Gamescom and PAX were running at 1.6Ghz, so the move to 1.75GHz has been very recent. Again, assumption based on a lack of knowledge of still just an assumption.
Chobel
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Well what will be unappealing from three - four years to now, could be appealing only today, this is how work the graphic improvement from generation to generation. I have seen a lot of people going crazy from the 20-30% of the higher res on 360 over the ps3 version, not sure why this thing should change in the future when ps4 should show a raw 40% of advantage in the worst case.
digoutyoursoul
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Waiting to see when the systems and games launch
badcrumble
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Yep. It'll be comparable to the PS3/360 situation (with the PS4 on top), not PS2/Xbox.
tokyostomp
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At launch, No real difference.
Early to mid 2014, PS4 will have the graphics lead
Late 2014/Early 2015 MS will moneyhat it all
Rest, XBO is lead console, PS4 potential power goes to waste
1st/2nd party devs not included
Early to mid 2014, PS4 will have the graphics lead
Late 2014/Early 2015 MS will moneyhat it all
Rest, XBO is lead console, PS4 potential power goes to waste
1st/2nd party devs not included
you still dont wanna listen
“The people that are speculating on this are not our hardware engineers, and we’re not Sony’s hardware engineers,” Penello said when asked about the Xbox One’s power. “I don’t believe that the difference between these two platforms is significant as comparing individual components.”
shape move engine coprocessors help the cpu/gpu is how the machine is been created.
where the cpu is already faster (at least from what we know)
im not saying the ps4 will not have an edge but...i think will lots less that what ppl are expecting...
in fact still theres no proof of differences in games
Future PhaZe
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I'd lean more towards better IQ and more consistent frames.
When you start talking about higher res textures then you probably start to get into a territory where you're overrating the gap between the consoles.
Unless APIs manage all bus choices, programming for the onion/onion+ doesn't seem nontrivial to me. Choosing what graphics processes need the ESRAM for bandwidth versus DDR3 is something they had to do similarly with the 360, so they aren't reinventing the wheel. Time will tell.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
So you think mid gen the XB1 will have broken games that only barely work? I don't think there is a chance in hell of that happening.
Your faith in the microsoft words is admirable. Especially after the later leaks.
Gemüsepizza
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No it won't. Having a GPU with 45% or more additional power is a lot more helpful in games than a 150MHz CPU clock rate increase. And we still know nothing about the reserved amount on both consoles and the PS4 CPU clock speed.
1st Course
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Graphics will look the same in both versions (lighting, textures etc), the real differance will be in IQ and resoluation.
For example I expect the PS4 version of multiplats to run at native 1080p with 4xMSAA while the X1 version will be running at 900p with FXAA.
For example I expect the PS4 version of multiplats to run at native 1080p with 4xMSAA while the X1 version will be running at 900p with FXAA.
so u saying that first party developer with an outrageous power difference of 40% in the gpu dont reach to show something more.....or that make look at xb1 games laughing comparing them to ps4?............this should be a problem for future games
Yep!
At launch -> not much. Devs are happy to meet the launch date/target.
But after the second generation, the third, fourth etc. you will see bigger differences (in favour of the PS4, of course).
badcrumble
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Gemüsepizza;80167589 said:
The PS3/360 situation was still constantly slanted in favor of the 360, with very few exceptions. I think this will be like that, except probably without the bit where there are exceptions.
DF comparisons consistently coming out in favor of the PS4 is still going to cause a bloodbath on here, though, I suspect.
Regular Americans will be playing their games on the Xbox One. There's no reason for American devs to make the version that their friends will play inferior. What incentive would devs have to spend more time and money to maximize the PS4 version?
I seriously hope I'm wrong, but this is honestly what I expect.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Gemüsepizza;80167589 said:
You're right it won't, it will be nowhere near as bad.
BigTnaples
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At launch? Probobly not much different.
Over time, they should look significantly better on PS4, considering it is significantly more powerful.
600+ gigaflops for one, is nothing to scoff at.
Over time, they should look significantly better on PS4, considering it is significantly more powerful.
600+ gigaflops for one, is nothing to scoff at.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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The real answer and real thread to be made is, when will we see these multiplat titles? We havent seem shit on none of this stuff cant compare anything, plenty games running off pcs and stuff
wtf are you talking about?
where is the assumption that americans will be buying XB1, preorders say otherwise.
Only irregular Americans will be buying a PS4?
You might want to have a look at the pre-order information floating around before assuming the $100 more expensive Xbox One will automatically outsell the PS4 in America.
faster ram means the ability feed more texture data in the same time it takes xbone to feed less texture data.
If devs decide it to worth while to take advantage of that is yet to be seen.
They are extreme outliers. Most multiplatform games between the PS3/360 are very close.
is not faith is clear that there are hw parts in the console that are there to help each others....
is wrong to talk about the cpu without taking in consideration the shape and the move engine...
like is wrong to talk about the ddr3 without talking about the esram and the move engines...
same argoument for the gpu...
tokyostomp
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I have no idea what you are saying.
plagiarize
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IF and only if the game runs on Xbone without ever dropping frames, about the worst case scenario if we take the laziest dev in the world, is that the game will run the same on the PS4.
If the Xbone version isn't at a native res and drops frames, the amount of work required to make the PS4 better is going to be zero. It would take work to force the PS4 version to drop frames under the same circumstances the Xbone version does.
We may see one or two games that are at total parity in framerate, IQ, on screen effects, and such... but it's going to be a very small minority of titles. And it's mostly going to be titles like Rayman Legends. Titles that aren't stressing either system.
If you think tearing, or framedrops, are imperceptible differences, then you'd be wrong.
Mr_Antimatter
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Again, why do you think Americans will flock to the Xbone, when the ps4 is beating it in pre orders?
What basis do you have for this preference? Have western devs expressed such a preference so far?
It seems you are trying to apply the 360's lead to the xbone, with no regard for generational changes. If that was true, then we'd all be flocking to the wii U right now, given its popularity last gen. Or we would have seen the ps3 the universal lead due to the ps2.
What we buy one gen has nothing to do with what we buy the next.
Chobel
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Sorry my PS4 audioship doesn't work well.
Lol.
Because the 3rd party PS4 developers are actually also competing with sony 1st party and other developers.
You think DICE wants to look like crap compare to KZ or other developer?
The money is limited for each consumer and to compete they have to do there best in each platform. Its call competitive capitalism
TechnicPuppet
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Games like Skyrim and Bayonetta among others. The 360 ran these games fine so if the differences are going to be bigger than that games will be broken worse on XB1.
8.5/10 Would speculate on what a "regular American" is again
So the standard 'go to' games for the PS3 being a steaming pile then.
I get ya.
Then you should do the same for the PS4, which thus far by most accounts has more games advantageous customisations than the Xbox One, not less.
i should say hear? ..sorry
quickwhips
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I don't know which I'm going to get but Xbox 360 and PS3 have had amazing looking games so we know they will all look better than that so we should all be happy. I just bought my first PC game in 6 years (outlast) guess we should all be lucky that next gen is here!
Stop quoting Microsoft PR, its not doing you any favors.
You don't have do be an engineer to figure out that PS4 will have the multiplatform advantage. Specs don't lie, especially when these consoles are using very similar components.
So you admit it will have the edge. The "how much" argument is pointless at this point. Even a a Sony/MS engineer couldn't tell you as it will vary from game to game and even then they would need benchmarks.
Zatoichi's Cane
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There is no reason why a PS4 version of a game should not have some sort of a graphical/frame rate advantage given the difference in power.
The only barrier here are the developers and publishers. Developers such as CD Projekt RED (witcher 3) are individually developing for each platform and not porting. This should lead to a noticeable difference in either graphics or frame rate between each platform, assuming the stated power difference between the Xbone and PS4 translates into a real world difference.
Publishers like Activion, I have no faith in. I had a conversation with their community manager on Twitter about this very subject. According to Dan Amrich:
He also used the word "equitable," but Activision is quick to point out that the xbone version has dedicated servers, and exclusive content. According to Dan, it's ok to take advantage of a feature offered by a platform, i.e. dedicated servers on xbone. However, when questioned about developing to the strengths the PS4 the policy is to have the games look the same across all platforms.
We've read from other developers that there is a noticeable difference between the PS4 and xbone.
So is this a case of publisher moneyhats or lazy developers?
The only barrier here are the developers and publishers. Developers such as CD Projekt RED (witcher 3) are individually developing for each platform and not porting. This should lead to a noticeable difference in either graphics or frame rate between each platform, assuming the stated power difference between the Xbone and PS4 translates into a real world difference.
Publishers like Activion, I have no faith in. I had a conversation with their community manager on Twitter about this very subject. According to Dan Amrich:
You can read that conversation here.
He also used the word "equitable," but Activision is quick to point out that the xbone version has dedicated servers, and exclusive content. According to Dan, it's ok to take advantage of a feature offered by a platform, i.e. dedicated servers on xbone. However, when questioned about developing to the strengths the PS4 the policy is to have the games look the same across all platforms.
We've read from other developers that there is a noticeable difference between the PS4 and xbone.
So is this a case of publisher moneyhats or lazy developers?
SolidSnakex
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Those are rare. He's simply saying that as time goes by and as developers get a better understanding of the hardware they'll be able to take advantage of it. The result will be that the gap will widen since there is a decent sized power differential between the two consoles. It doesn't meant hat there will be disasters like Skyrim or Bayonetta, but on average the gap between mutliplatforms on each console should be wider than they were on average on the PS3/360.
have a better gpu and a faster bandwith yes ...
ZeroMaverick
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Uhm...but won't multiplat devs just try to scale the games to look equal by not utilizing the extra girth that the PS4 has? I mean, maybe I'm just ignorant to these things, but wouldn't it just be easier for devs to make one game that works on both rather than making one with extra eye candy and then having to optimize/cut back for the other version to work?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
AstroNut325
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We have a little over TWO months to go people. TWO MONTHS! Let the games do the talking in two months.
Have some patience. Digital Foundry will make gaming forums melt from zealot fanboy ether.
Patience... is a virtue.
Have some patience. Digital Foundry will make gaming forums melt from zealot fanboy ether.
Patience... is a virtue.
I predict that the Xbox One will outsell the PS4 in the United States in the first year after launch.
Why would people whose friends are using 360s and are on Xbox Live drop all of that for the PS4? Many people haven't even SEEN the PS4. Microsoft is running Xbox ads before movies in theaters here. The Xbox brand has a natural advantage in the US and I fully expect that to continue. The hardcore may lean PS4, but the NBA 2K/FIFA/Madden/Halo/Forza/Gears/CoD/etc crowd will stick with their friends list.
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