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[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

16GB - 576 GB/s
20GB - 720 GB/s
24GB - 864 GB/s

I don't see them increasing the number of chips and therefore bus size.

They'll keep a 8x chip 256bit bus.... guaranteed. Otherwise, it's a significantly larger die, with lower yields and thus a retail price approaching $650 to $700.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Well, since the codename is Trinity I hope it's a megaton.

 

[RoadHazard]

The GPU needs to be symmetrical for topographical and the task scheduling front-end design to work at all. So no, a 1.5x PS5 GPU where 2/3 of the chip can be disabled for emulation mode is not an option.

If true, then they would have to do all the emulation in software, which would eat into the benefits of having a bigger GPU in the first place, because you now have to pay the performance overhead cost of your emulation/translation software layer.

1/3 would be disabled, not 2/3. But what if it's symmetrical in a 3-way split? Not sure if that's a thing that could be done, but yeah.

 

[splattered]

So THAT'S how Microsoft got Sony to sign the COD deal... Microsoft agreed to cancel their Series-X-Pro console...

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't see them increasing the number of chips and therefore bus size.

They'll keep a 8x chip 256bit bus.... guaranteed. Otherwise, it's a significantly larger die, with lower yields and thus a retail price approaching $650 to $700.

Depends on how much they want to push RT. If this is going to be RT focused like it's been rumored by Tom and his sources, then more memory and faster memory would be ideal.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

1/3 would be disabled, not 2/3. But what if it's symmetrical in a 3-way split? Not sure if that's a thing that could be done, but yeah.

Yep, thanks for the correction. That was a typo.

You may be onto something here. Yeah, I suppose it could be laid out in 3 parts with 3x rows of 20CUs and a common front end.

 

[Elios83]

A couple more things:


- SoC codename is Viola

- Architecture is probably RDNA 3.5 with new ALUs, but the improved RT units from RDNA4. In practice it's RDNA4 with RDNA3 schedulers, I guess.

- If it's using 256bit GDDR6 18Gbps then it's very likely getting Infinity Cache as well, or it just wouldn't scale.

Sounds like the new PS5 Pro is getting a treatment similar to the PS4 Pro where it got features that wouldn't appear on discrete GPUs until a year later (rapid packed math).

Super interesting, I think ray tracing performance will be the key selling point.

 

[jroc74]

A couple more things:


- SoC codename is Viola

- Architecture is probably RDNA 3.5 with new ALUs, but the improved RT units from RDNA4. In practice it's RDNA4 with RDNA3 schedulers, I guess.

- If it's using 256bit GDDR6 18Gbps then it's very likely getting Infinity Cache as well, or it just wouldn't scale.

Sounds like the new PS5 Pro is getting a treatment similar to the PS4 Pro where it got features that wouldn't appear on discrete GPUs until a year later (rapid packed math).

Yeah...these rumors are starting to really heat up now. Seeing that tweet by Kepler basically confirmed it for me.

Welp...hold on to your butts.

 

[Loxus]

Like I've been saying, there is no reason for Sony to make proprietary RT hardware.

Also
PS4 Pro = Neo
PSVR1 = Morpheus
PS5 Pro = Trinity

 

[Jibran#one]

These specs are not achievable in 2024 at 500 dollars tbh this looks like 600 700 dollar console

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

At least the scepticism pushed the "insiders" to spill the little they had!

Anyway....

If the specs are legit then it is a bit damp (PS4 Pro-like) squib. Compromised specs but even worse as probably £500 without a disc drive.

Definitely not feeling this yet but will wait for more details.

 

[Bry0]

Sounds pretty reasonable for late 2024. A modest bump, but will help a lot. Enthusiast will appreciate it. Cool! Far cry from the 7900xtx tier some doofuses were convincing themselves was coming

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Depends on how much they want to push RT. If this is going to be RT focused like it's been rumored by Tom and his sources, then more memory and faster memory would be ideal.

Faster memory, yes. But RT will benefit from bigger caches MUCH more than a larger VRAM pool.

But yeah, you make a compelling case for higher memory bandwidth if it's RT-focused.

But that still doesn't address the die size and thus cost issue. Making an RT-focused PS5 Pro is all well and good, but if it costs $700, it's priced itself out of the market.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

These specs are not achievable in 2024 at 500 dollars tbh this looks like 600 700 dollar console

No disc drive, end of 2024. I can see it being $549 max.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Day fucking one.

Ammarite? HeisenbergFX4

 

[SlimySnake]

So a 20TF beast?

Count me in as day 1

17. To get to 20 RDNA 2.0 tflops they will need to hit 2.55 GHz which at 60 CUs might be too much for a console.

 

[Loxus]

Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4?

Could be Zen4c, which seemingly looks like PS5's Zen2.

 

[ManaByte]

New 8K Game Mode

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Seeing that tweet by Kepler basically confirmed it for me.

 

[lostinblue]

By Tom Henderson

Although the Pro’s specs were difficult to pin down, admittingly due to my lack of technological prowess, sources have stated that Trinity with have 30 WGP and 18000mts memory.

I don't believe anyone who says something is difficult to pin down this day and age.

He met the whistleblower in a bar? he didn't exchange messages with the culprit? Is he such a bad journalist (or bad at whatever he does) that he can't just repeat whatever was said?

To me this reads roughly the same as "I don't understand anything about cooking but it's roughly two frying pans then a 900W microwave. And let me use some useless conventions at that, I'll call the frying pan a gridiron and I'll convert the watts I just said to horse power, but hey, I know nothing about this shit."

 

[SlimySnake]

Seems like a ps4 pro type of upgrade

What most expected, looking forward to it

Nope. This is 1.6x more powerful which the PS4 Pro was 2.3x more powerful. The PS4 pro also had IPC gains over the base PS4 thanks to the polaris architecture. No such IPC gains when going from RDNA 2 to RDNA 3. So the PS4 Pro had a 2.8x leap while the PS5 Pro is going to need a miracle (2.55ghz) just to hit 20 tflops or 2x.

Since they are targeting November 2024, its possible this is based on RDNA 4 and maybe that arch has an IPC increase like the Polaris IPC increase.

 

[Putonahappyface]

"Targeting November 2024 Release"

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't believe anyone who says something is difficult to pin down this day and age.

He met the whistleblower in a bar? he didn't exchange messages with the culprit? Is he such a bad journalist (or bad at whatever he does) that he can't just repeat whatever was said?

To me this reads roughly the same as "I don't understand anything about cooking but it's roughly two frying pans then a 900W microwave. And let me use some useless conventions at that, I'll call the frying pan a gridiron and I'll convert the watts I just said to horse power, but hey, I know nothing about this shit."

Tom has a damn good source at PS when it comes to hardware

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

So maybe for like 3 years into the PS6 launch until cross-gen begins to fizzle out we get something like this in terms of modes offered:

*PS5 - 900p-1440p, 30fps-60fps (no RT to barebones RT)
*PS5 Pro - 1080p-2160p, 30-60fps (moderate to advanced RT)
*PS6 - 1440p-2160p, 30-60-120fps, (moderate to advanced RT)

 

[DeepEnigma]

Faster memory, yes. But RT will benefit from bigger caches MUCH more than a larger VRAM pool.

But yeah, you make a compelling case for higher memory bandwidth if it's RT-focused.

But that still doesn't address the die size and thus cost issue. Making an RT-focused PS5 Pro is all well and good, but if it costs $700, it's priced itself out of the market.

I can see $600.

Nope. This is 1.6x more powerful

You can't claim any of this without all the minutia.

That kepler tweet sounds promising if true. And if true, it's far greater.

 

[CrustyBritches]

So something like the upcoming 7700XT or 7800.

When they say "8K Performance mode" it's probably referring to 8K FSR 2(Performance/Ultra Performance Setting), not 60/120fps at native 8K, so it would be Native 4K upscaled to 8K(i.e.-FSR 2 'Performance').

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nope. This is 1.6x more powerful which the PS4 Pro was 2.3x more powerful. The PS4 pro also had IPC gains over the base PS4 thanks to the polaris architecture. No such IPC gains when going from RDNA 2 to RDNA 3. So the PS4 Pro had a 2.8x leap while the PS5 Pro is going to need a miracle (2.55ghz) just to hit 20 tflops or 2x.

Since they are targeting November 2024, its possible this is based on RDNA 4 and maybe that arch has an IPC increase like the Polaris IPC increase.

We don’t know clocks or RDNA configuration

All your assumptions are worse case possible

I think we get IPC gains and higher clocks

 

[KingXtreme81]

If so, day fucking one!

 

[DeepEnigma]

So something like the upcoming 7700XT or 7800.

When they say "8K Performance mode" it's probably referring to 8K FSR 2(Performance/Ultra Performance Setting), not 60/120fps at native 8K, so it would be Native 4K upscaled to 8K(i.e.-FSR 2 'Performance').

Of course it is. Some brains seem to break whenever it comes to console marketing. Which PC cards market the same way now, but somehow the brains work there.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

pro and pro slim??
doesnt make any sense.

probably meant "ps5 slim"

thank god the images are fake. that ps5 pro is one ugly mofo.

 

[Loxus]

You guys remember when Microsoft said the Series X is already this generations Xbox ‘Pro’.

What if Microsoft is telling us the truth?
52CU XBSX vs 54CU PS5 Pro?

Microsoft can do a Series X refresh with 52 RDNA3 CUs. If not, Microsoft would be seriously outclassed.

 

[Dane]

Do we even need that? The issue that led to the creation of the PS4 Pro and One X is that they developers were severely bottlenecked with the pre-bulldozer CPU, and even with that they really managed to pull a lot, I'd tought that games like these would be easily 4k60FPS on the current gen and yet they still have compromises in one side or both.

 

[Dokku]

PS5 Pro
60 CUs at 2.77ghz RDNA4
10c/20t Zen 5 CPU at 4.0ghz
20GB GDDR6 @ 720gb/s
56x CD-ROM
1.65 TB pci-e gen 5 ssd at 11gb/s

$499

BELIEVE
XMAS 2023

 

[jonnyp]

Only 60 CUs? I want more damnit

 

[Del_X]

There is a segment of gamers who just like talking about upgraded existing specs. And there are websites /youtubers with podcasts who like to capitalize on this need to theorize about upgrading existing tech.

There is no PS5 pro.

Macro and Micro, global, economic factors make a PS5 Pro a non starter. But obviously, people will discuss this fake news as if it's real, because...

Sony has a history of seeing how far they can push things with consumers. They also need to ensure their hardware team isn’t benched until 2028 hardware comes into focus.

It’ll be $599 or $699 and sell at a small margin. It’ll help sell games since real-time captured on PS5 Pro will be marginally better and generate hype/sales.

What macro factors? People buy $1600 phones now. They buy $4k PCs and $500 toaster ovens.

 

[SlimySnake]

We don’t know clocks or RDNA configuration

All your assumptions are worse case possible

I think we get IPC gains and higher clocks

You said PS4 Pro like upgrade and i pointed out that it will take RDNA 4 and 2.55 Ghz to get there.

Right now, based on what we know about the CU count, the memory bandwidth and the current RDNA3.0 arch, we are not going to get a 2.8x upgrade like we did with the pro with just 60 CUs.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony has a history of seeing how far they can push things with consumers. They also need to ensure their hardware team isn’t benched until 2028 hardware comes into focus.

It’ll be $599 or $699 and sell at a small margin. It’ll help sell games since real-time captured on PS5 Pro will be marginally better and generate hype/sales.

What macro factors? People buy $1600 phones now. They buy $4k PCs and $500 toaster ovens.

A friend of mine just bought a $1,000 iRobot Roomba. Thing can suck up small animals and children.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

You said PS4 Pro like upgrade and i pointed out that it will take RDNA 4 and 2.55 Ghz to get there.

Right now, based on what we know about the CU count, the memory bandwidth and the current RDNA3.0 arch, we are not going to get a 2.8x upgrade like we did with the pro with just 60 CUs.

Maybe RDNA4 can utilize the 2x FP32 better.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

pro and pro slim??
doesnt make any sense.

probably meant "ps5 slim"

thank god the images are fake. that ps5 pro is one ugly mofo.

The slim replacing both current skus and introducing a Pro model, makes perfect sense to me

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I still don't think it's real

 

[SmokedMeat]

You are Assuming RDNA 3 is the architecture here, but AMD have RDNA 3.5 coming and RDNA 4 coming too, AMD IP is very flexible.

You’re not getting a future RDNA that doesn’t exist yet.
AMD hasn’t even made use of RDNA 3, yet.

 

[skit_data]

The slim replacing both current skus and introducing a Pro model, makes perfect sense to me

Indeed, but I personally expect the Pro to be more expensive relative to the base model than PS4 Pro was.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Indeed, but I personally expect the Pro to be more expensive relative to the base model than PS4 Pro was.

I do too as I can see $599

 

[skit_data]

I do too as I can see $599

Easily, I can see it go higher.
I just texted a friend saying I can see it go as high as 10 000 SEK, but then again us swedes are getting the really short end of the stick when it comes to exchange rates.

 

[DaGwaphics]

You guys remember when Microsoft said the Series X is already this generations Xbox ‘Pro’.

What if Microsoft is telling us the truth?
52CU XBSX vs 54CU PS5 Pro?

Microsoft can do a Series X refresh with 52 RDNA3 CUs. If not, Microsoft would be seriously outclassed.

For all we know MS might refresh their hardware entirely and go XSX2 rather XSX Pro. The extended cross-gen period this time around already basically killed the generational concept for consoles and MS was already leaning in that direction anyway.

 

[Mobilemofo]

What a crock of shit. Honestly. Two years in, and a new console, for fucks sake. I don't give a fuck about ray tracing. Cost Vs what you get is ridiculous on consoles and probably pcs on occasion. I hope it fails to sell. Cheeky cunts.

 

[lughnasadh123]

 

[shamoomoo]

These specs are not achievable in 2024 at 500 dollars tbh this looks like 600 700 dollar console

Why would it be difficult? The biggest price tag would be with the APU die size then ram.

 

[FunkMiller]

Getting to the point where spending your money on a PC upgrade makes much more sense than another console purchase. Give me a nice Steam machine I can slap under the TV, with easily swappable parts and I'll dump consoles completely - other than Nintendo, who are off doing something actually different.

 

[Bry0]

For all we know MS might refresh their hardware entirely and go XSX2 rather XSX Pro. The extended cross-gen period this time around already basically killed the generational concept for consoles and MS was already leaning in that direction anyway.

That’s totally reasonable to presume I think. Good point. Even the OS is the same. They have taken a very pc like approach to everything including back compat. No toggles like ps4 pro you just run the game and get the benefits like a pc. I could see them going that route for sure.