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Crowbcat soul vs soulles Resident Evil 4 Remake
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Love how absolutely NOBODY on this forum mentioned anything similar, yet when Crowbcat releases a video all of a sudden....."Ah yeah i think the same, it really is a cheap remake bla bra". Where were you when everyone was singing praises and couldnt decide wether to give the game a 9 or 10/10?
Damian black
Member
The enemies were bullet spongy as hell and the fact that you didnt have an incentive to aim at different body parts, since the damage you did was always the same, rendered the new aiming system pretty pointless.
The first part in the police station is the only one that's really good. The rest is ok at best and I overall liked the game, but too many people thought it was superior to the original just because of the tps controls. Every other nuance just gets lost and the only thing they care about is "modernization".
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's funny how people complain about crowbcat for "cherrypicking" (even though he shows parts of the whole game) while also completely fixating on this little segment to dismiss his whole video.
Sakura
Member
Man the OG version looks way better. There is something about Leon's new model in the remake I just don't like, and I feel he is a much cooler character in the original.
The changes to some of the cut scenes are kind of weird as well. I wonder if they just didn't have the time or budget.
Also the UI, too many games doing this generic UI these days.
The changes to some of the cut scenes are kind of weird as well. I wonder if they just didn't have the time or budget.
Also the UI, too many games doing this generic UI these days.
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Soodanim
Member
It's funny, I never really took to the soundtrack of 4 like I did 2 (and to a lesser extent 3), but when I enabled OG BGM/SFX for my second 4R playthrough it felt right, and the OG soundtrack fits in 4R far better than it does in 2.
MasterDerico
Member
I said that here after beat the game. The atmosphere on the remake is WRONG, people "booed" me.
The real experience is the Original RE4, and still plays great imo.
Always the same thing, people get blinded by the hype, then praise the game at all costs to validate their purchase.
The real experience is the Original RE4, and still plays great imo.
Always the same thing, people get blinded by the hype, then praise the game at all costs to validate their purchase.
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Labolas
Member
My main problem with RE4remake is that feels like an unnecessary remake. Capcom was remaking something that didn't need to be remade and was perfect for a lot of people. They should have remade one of their older games like Haunting Ground or Dino Crisis or even one of the other RE games.
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AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
And what does that have to do with the comparison between the original and remake?
Two Youtubers that very specifically got popular on /v/ - not that I've visited in many years. One's just much much smaller. I always think of the two in the same area.
Never mind, carry on.
killatopak
Member
In the OT, saying how I preferred the OG to the remake. In the preview threads saying how much better the old VAs and their design was. The point is I was there.
This however doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the remake. It’s my goty.
Neff
Member
Hype's totally justified imo. I'm on my third run and I can't put it down. The changes they made have given new life to a classic and I've fallen in love with it all over again. I disagree with anyone who feels the need to shit on the original to sing the remake's praises though. It's a masterpiece and it will always be there. If anything the revised elements of the remake allow the original to continue to stand out rather than simply being replaced.
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SushiReese
Member
This video has become the most downvoted Crowbcat'S video for the channel's history, currently 28k likes v.s 18k dislikes, around 55%/45% ratio.
Most polarized video Crowbcat has produced. Even Gmanlive called out him for lowering remake clips's volume to fake his argument
Most polarized video Crowbcat has produced. Even Gmanlive called out him for lowering remake clips's volume to fake his argument
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ParaSeoul
Member
Yes demons souls remake I liked but the originals art direction and enemy designs are so much better,the funny thing with it is that bluepoint got so much right but then decided to change things for seemingly no reason.
dDoc
Member
How dare you assume Salazar's gender?
ParaSeoul
Member
I agree because his normie audience is throwing tantrums on Twitter and in the comments because he said their 2023 modern remake is worse in some aspects to the a 2005 game.
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ParaSeoul
Member
Thank you for the throwback to 2015
SushiReese
Member
RE4 remake currently sitting 97% overwhelmingly positives reviews (around 47,000 reviews so far) on steam store. Currently it's best reviewed action/horror games on steam since 2010s. Just calling the game "soulless" is bit overreach.
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Soodanim
Member
I said the same. OG still takes the title. 4R does a number of things better (Ashley being the most glowing example) but it isn't the same experience for me. Once the novelty wears off, it's an imitation that isn't a failure but it certainly falls short.
4R might not be soulless, but it lacks the specific soul 4 had and doesn't replace it with something equal.
ParaSeoul
Member
The irony of gman calling another youtuber out for being disingenuous when he has done for years. He brought up issues with dishonored 2 that didn't even exist and you could tell by the confused comments when in reality he was just being harsh becaue Bethesda didn't give him a review copy.
ParaSeoul
Member
I was looking forward to the remake after the first trailer but the second showing with more gameplay also made me second guess it. Just felt off and after playing the demo,I could confirm it just didn't feel right atmosphere wise or gameplay wise. I accidently beat the entire village section with just the knife.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
I'm not watching it because i don't want to spoil how they recreate areas in the late game.
...The remake is that good.
...The remake is that good.
ParaSeoul
Member
To be honest I'm going to guess you also prefer kiwami to the original yakuza games so I'm also gonna assume you prefer somewhat inferior remakes on average.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Okay.
Bartski
Gold Member
I,ve never heard of him and I don’t see how that invalidates the clip he posted
Aretak
Member
Exactly! I love broody, thick atmospheres and serious content for serious people like me. The original is the manufactured Marvel slop of video games, whilst the remake is more comparable to a truly great and intelligent movie for adults, like Batman v Superman.
bender
What time is it?
dDoc
Member
Wow! I'm amazed by the love the original still has and people preferring it over the new one.
I have yet to play the RE4 remake, but from what I have seen it blows the OG outta the water on so many levels.
I played and loved the OG, but it cannot be a better game than the remake.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
I have yet to play the RE4 remake, but from what I have seen it blows the OG outta the water on so many levels.
I played and loved the OG, but it cannot be a better game than the remake.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
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dDoc
Member
Soodanim
Member
Get reflective and realise you're accusing nostalgia of taking over while talking from your own imagination. To try and invalidate criticism based with experience of your own is ridiculous
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dDoc
Member
As I said, from what I have seen of the remake and my own experience of playing the original many times over.
The only point everyone can agree on is the the new remake technically blows the old one out of the water....or that is debatable as well?
Soodanim
Member
Don't be a tit
Majima Everywhere System
Member
There is a holy trinity of RE4, Yakuza, and MGS3 in this world. 3 games that are otherworldly in how I went from suspicious to absolutely hooked, and to fist pumps by the end. Bizarrely I avoid playing them, but with Yakuza you get a new one every year and its pretty much like going back.
And with that relationship, RE4 is recreating the experience. It feels enough like my original playthrough..therefore they achieved the improbable. The soul/souless thing truly died with this video. Yes, modern games are absolute shit, and they have no fun and show zero passion. The craft of these three games that should have been studied and re-attempted is lost, and fun and memorable bits are sanded down.
RE4 remake feels like they got it, and a takedown video only serves to disincentivize trying. Even I don't stubbornly cling to the good old days that hard. In a perfect world, this remake has a chance to allow humans beings to stop making empty shacks in a 8x8km open world, and start making 16 hour crafted SP games that pull you through moment to moment.
Also, the people turning off lens distortion have no interest in soul, and I'm sure there is a lot of crossover there.
RickSanchez
Member
i always thought this guy (crowbcat) nitpicked a bit too much in his videos for the sake of generating views through sensationalism. I can understand why, there is a market for such videos.
But it is inevitable that he will eventually nitpick so much that nuance and balance completely goes out the window and a whole host of people finally disagree. Which has happened now.
Just because the old RE4 had "charm" doesn't mean the new one is bad or soulless. It's 2023, games are expected to be more polished. Just watch Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation of the RE4 Remake, he atleast tries to give a more balanced view.
But it is inevitable that he will eventually nitpick so much that nuance and balance completely goes out the window and a whole host of people finally disagree. Which has happened now.
Just because the old RE4 had "charm" doesn't mean the new one is bad or soulless. It's 2023, games are expected to be more polished. Just watch Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation of the RE4 Remake, he atleast tries to give a more balanced view.
fatmarco
Member
I played through Re4 for the first time a couple of weeks before the remake released, then replayed it once more, and then I played the remake through twice. I feel this video was pretty fair and mostly accurate.
The title is clickbait bullshit but if you're judging the video by its title and not its actual content, which is pretty straightforward comparisons, then it's on you.
In any case, I do think the original was a better, more perfectly balanced game. I also think RE Village did a better job at redoing the village area than 4make did, (it definitely had higher quality art and atmosphere).
The title is clickbait bullshit but if you're judging the video by its title and not its actual content, which is pretty straightforward comparisons, then it's on you.
In any case, I do think the original was a better, more perfectly balanced game. I also think RE Village did a better job at redoing the village area than 4make did, (it definitely had higher quality art and atmosphere).
Sakura
Member
That doesn't make any sense. All that graph does is show that the footage from the remake is quieter. How does that prove he artificially lowered the volume? Could it not just be that, you know, the game is quieter? Maybe the default audio settings are quieter?
Regardless, even if you turn the volume up, it's not like it makes a difference. In the video gman posted with adjusted audio levels, the ambient sound is still much quieter/doesn't have as much presence as the original. Like the part outside the church, you can barely hear anything outside the music. Now personally, in regards to audio, I think it comes down to preference. The remake is clearly going for a more 3D/spatial sound, which some people might like more.
In any case, why is there so much focus on the stupid audio levels? The majority of the video showcases changes in cutscenes etc...
Bartski
Gold Member
lmao, try watching the video on mute then. I'm sure that would make no difference showcasing the "lack of soul" in the remake
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
In GAF's old days when a GOTY contender dropped, everybody was celebrating. Nowadays not just here but everywhere, it's all about how the newest popular game sucks.
Tears of the Kingdom will suck. FFXVI will suck. Diablo IV will suck. Everything sucks. No fun allowed! Because we are edgy and really need Youtube views.
Tears of the Kingdom will suck. FFXVI will suck. Diablo IV will suck. Everything sucks. No fun allowed! Because we are edgy and really need Youtube views.
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brian0057
Banned
They can't prove it. Hell, they don't even read the comments.
I just love how people love Crowbcat until he dares to attack their sacred cow.
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MiguelItUp
Member
Yeah, you often see reactions/comments that sound extremely negative for the hell of it on the internet these days. It only feels like it's gotten worse as time has gone on, unfortunately. Sometimes it may be warranted, but it's still so very exhausting in the long run.
These kind of arguments and opinions don't really go anywhere IMO. Resident Evil 4 is a great game, it blew my mind when it dropped, and it continued to blow my mind with its replayability and staying power throughout the years. But, that being said, Resident Evil 4 Remake is also a great game, that took things from the original, added to it, and made some changes of their own. To each their own of course, but I don't think it's absurd to think both games are great/positive. If you disagree with that, then hey, that's more than fine. The wonderful thing about remakes is that you don't need to play them, acknowledge them, etc. The original will always be there in its original glory.
Regardless of what anyone says, even if it's not "the entire video", I do think it's extremely weak that crowbcat would play with the audio in any way to "get a point across". I thought it was weird as I'm replaying the game now and never remembered that kind of environmental silence whatsoever, lol. Then attach a dramatic click-baity title like "soul vs soulless". Nah man, both games have soul, and a lot of it. The OG, and the remake, as Capcom has done some of the best remakes we've seen so far in gaming, and I'm not trying to kiss their ass, lol.
The Dead Space Remake was amazing IMO, and I loved it quite a bit. But the reality was it was more of a 1:1 remake aside from a few minor set pieces. RE4R and RE2R both did things that made the game feel memorable, but also still very fresh and new in a variety of ways throughout the experience. I wish Dead Space's treatment could've been more like that, personally.
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The Cockatrice
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What a shit video.