• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

HBO Original | The Last of Us | Part 1 OT | Endure & Survive

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Weakest episode yet, still ok but felt like a filler before the next.
And what was the last episode?
Cuz I'm pretty sure there was a lot of filling going on....😏

Anyway, I disagree.
it could of been better but it was okay, and was actually let down by parts they didn't include.
They seems to jumping ahead a bit though too & mixing things up for more condensed shorter story.
Also I could not stop seeing Kathleen as just Rose from Two & Half Men.
She didn't even seem like a different character 😂
 
Last edited:

Woggleman

Member
I am willing to give her a chance since I hear things are more fleshed out in the next episode.
Maybe her brother who was killed was the leader and she was thrust into the position or maybe her soft seeming demeanor hides her ruthlessness.
Don't forget these are simply regular people who did not want to live under a military dictatorship which is essentialy what Fedra is.
One of them begged for his life after he was shot so these are regular people who revolted rather than badass fighters.

As is often the case with most revolutions they turn into the very thing sought to overthrow.
 

kyliethicc

Member
structurally 4 was always going to be the episode that lacks the big death as its a transitional episode setting up joel & ellie meeting henry & sam

its just how the game's story ends up fitting into a different format, one with with hard end points each episode (unlike a game)

tUfb9B5.jpg
 
Weakest episode yet, still ok but felt like a filler before the next.


The show is at its worst when they copy pasta from the game.

The whole scene in the car with the mag felt like forced fan service, none of it is necessary while they steer this far from the game plot. Bella works as Ellie only in this alternative universe, when they're mimicking the game it just feels off somehow ... maybe I'm biased.
You're definitely biased.

They need to build the chemistry between Ellie and Joel but you think that that relationship building is filler...

The critiques on this forum are such hot garbage...
 

Dorohedoro

Member
It could've been a little longer which is the same criticism I had of episode 2 but it was still a solid episode on its own and good set up for episode 5 which is shaping up to be a banger. Didn't really see an issue with the Kathleen character but I guess I can see why some don't buy her. Guessing her brother that got killed was the original leader of their hunter group or something and she sort of inherited the role. I gotta admit the lack of combat sequences is kind of a bummer so far. I'm not saying it has to be like the game where they're constantly mowing down dozens of enemies because it wouldn't work in the tv show that's supposed to be more grounded, it's just that we're 4 episodes in and so far all we've gotten is the fight with the clickers at the museum and Joel taking out 3 guys, which was mostly done off-camera. I guess the latter would've been fine if they weren't hiding it so much. But there's still 4 espiodes left so hopefully the fans that want to see more of the brutality depicted in the games will get get something to chew on later. And I found the placement of the Lotte Kestner song in the credits a bit strange, not to mention it got cut off too early imo lol.
 

Bartski

Gold Member
I think remakes/adaptations that are 1:1 with their originals (even for just select scenes like TLOU has been so far) are just super hard to get right, specifically because of that bias being hard to get over.

The script is already written. The story has already been told. The roles have all been fit by actors already. It's really almost disorienting to the brain to see names, locations, people and scenarios you recognize wholesale in a different medium. Your brain is telling you "Although this world is fictional, there is already a Joel and Ellie and post cordyceps world in my head, and another version just feels like a reenactment of what *I* remember,"

Happens with me a lot.
Exactly this. I love the show, and I think it's because it tells the same core story while completely re-writing the plot.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
Folks, Goku getting a driver license is filler.

Until you can properly formulate an analogy to that, stfu with filler as a criticism of…anything you thought was just boring because you wanted something else

I understand this post, but I also understand the posts that this post is criticizing, too, haha.

Filler is being used very liberally in these conversations, and again, this probably boils down to semantics to a large degree. There are two lenses to look through a multi part story: from the lens of judging it on it's individual merit (be it a film in a Trilogy, an episode in a series, a chapter in a Manga, etc), or the alternative of viewing the entirety of the media as a whole and judging based on that.

Television in particular gets a bad rap for pacing and filler/what is deemed filler by the audience in part due to this whole deal. Movies, even shitty movies, have the benefit of a defined run time, and a guaranteed ending. They are the perfect, fertile little Grove to tell a story within. A television series when viewed with this cinematic lens logically has ups and downs, action and breathers, contrasting vibes to keep it interesting. But if you view it as each episode is it's own piece of media and should be judged by the usual standards of critiquing story telling.

And I'm not singling this post out or attacking anyone on either side of the filler argument, but I will say Chapter fifteen of a book will probably have a tough time standing up to an entire novel. This is a rambly post. Sorry. There's some compelling thoughts in that word salad somewhere. Probably.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Elie struck me as being hopeful and optimistic when they were near that hospital(after the giraffe scene) so if she thought of possibly dying, she's putting up a good act hiding it and that kind of deception doesn't strike me as something Ellie would do to Joel. The simplest explanation IMO is that it's simply not on her mind when approaching to the hospital. Not even Marlene and the researchers thought she'd ever need to die until after Ellie arrived at the hospital so why would Ellie ever get the impression she might have to die, let alone be prepared to?

She's still a little girl but she's already experienced losing multiple people so to think she'd willingly cause that kind of pain without any forewarning first again, strikes me as uncharacteristic of Ellie.

Exactly, that's why I couldn't stomach that narrative in TLOU2.
 

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
You're definitely biased.

They need to build the chemistry between Ellie and Joel but you think that that relationship building is filler...

The critiques on this forum are such hot garbage...

Also you understand the irony of critiquing the posts on a forum with a post on the forum that you said had garbage critiques, right? You just created a tear in the space continuum with this shit
 

hemo memo

Gold Member
Good episode. I would’ve liked a bit more performance from Pedro with the shootout scene. He was just casually moving from cover. Also Ellie saving him doesn’t make any sense as to how Joel survived this long. Joel appeared in this episode to be very weak.

Also they could’ve done that car scene better. Put your seatbelt? Why wouldn’t we help him? Scene felt very slow. They should’ve cut all that and showed Joel just racing to runover the guy then explain later why he did it.
 

DelireMan7

Member
For me the best episode so far. It really felt "Last of Us". Joel and Ellie relation is finally the focus of the show and this is what I liked in the game.
The infection was just a context and I didn't need to know details about how it started etc... (and I in general like to be in the vague, I don't think you have to explain everything to your audience.) I think that's why I was not really into the flashbacks of the first two episodes.

My wife stopped watching but sometimes come and she is like "what happened ? Did she shoot this guy ? Who is that ?" so still a bit interested xD

EDIT : I am not really into violence but I was a bit surprised they didn't show the "death". When Ellie or the new woman which I forgot the name shoot you don't see their victims.
 
Last edited:

DelireMan7

Member
Are you guys seriously blurring spoilers for a 10 year-old game? On a gaming enthusiast forum?

Maybe the 3 people who haven't played it can start their own spoiler free thread.
It doesn't cost anything to blur them.

I played the game just few years (like 3 years) ago and guess some might not have play the game yet.
 
Hopefully we get Ellie, Joel, Sam & Henry getting through undergrounds the next episode with Ish backstory told with attention similar to Bill&Frank. I've been waiting for them to explore that shit since PS3 release of the original. Unless that's Ep.6 and Ep.5 is running away from Apocalypse Karen.
 
I understand this post, but I also understand the posts that this post is criticizing, too, haha.

Filler is being used very liberally in these conversations, and again, this probably boils down to semantics to a large degree. There are two lenses to look through a multi part story: from the lens of judging it on it's individual merit (be it a film in a Trilogy, an episode in a series, a chapter in a Manga, etc), or the alternative of viewing the entirety of the media as a whole and judging based on that.

Television in particular gets a bad rap for pacing and filler/what is deemed filler by the audience in part due to this whole deal. Movies, even shitty movies, have the benefit of a defined run time, and a guaranteed ending. They are the perfect, fertile little Grove to tell a story within. A television series when viewed with this cinematic lens logically has ups and downs, action and breathers, contrasting vibes to keep it interesting. But if you view it as each episode is it's own piece of media and should be judged by the usual standards of critiquing story telling.

And I'm not singling this post out or attacking anyone on either side of the filler argument, but I will say Chapter fifteen of a book will probably have a tough time standing up to an entire novel. This is a rambly post. Sorry. There's some compelling thoughts in that word salad somewhere. Probably.

There are some legit thinkers on this board. It gives me hope.

The problem with a show this big is that it exposes the weakness of prestige drama. It's not built for the lowest common denominator, which tends to have a lot of cross over with gamers.

These are the people who play TLOU maybe even multiple times, but had NO IDEA Bill way gay, or that Tess and Joel were romantically involved, or that Tess was the boss of their operation...

Very surface-level thinkers for sure. Unfortunately for them, the show is entirely too popular and they've been drowned out. Even with an entire campaign episode 3 is still nearly an 8/10 on imdb.
 

MagnesD3

Member
There are some legit thinkers on this board. It gives me hope.

The problem with a show this big is that it exposes the weakness of prestige drama. It's not built for the lowest common denominator, which tends to have a lot of cross over with gamers.

These are the people who play TLOU maybe even multiple times, but had NO IDEA Bill way gay, or that Tess and Joel were romantically involved, or that Tess was the boss of their operation...

Very surface-level thinkers for sure. Unfortunately for them, the show is entirely too popular and they've been drowned out. Even with an entire campaign episode 3 is still nearly an 8/10 on imdb.
The amount of cope in this is hilarious.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Folks, Goku getting a driver license is filler.

Until you can properly formulate an analogy to that, stfu with filler as a criticism of…anything you thought was just boring because you wanted something else
Anna Kendrick Movie GIF by Pitch Perfect


Yup! Karen is running the show supposedly. She's so clever she shoots their doctor!
Apparently Mazin said there is a reason for her to have that impression and it will play out as it progresses. So I guess we'll see.
 
Last edited:

Ulysses 31

Member
Good episode. I would’ve liked a bit more performance from Pedro with the shootout scene. He was just casually moving from cover. Also Ellie saving him doesn’t make any sense as to how Joel survived this long. Joel appeared in this episode to be very weak.

Also they could’ve done that car scene better. Put your seatbelt? Why wouldn’t we help him? Scene felt very slow. They should’ve cut all that and showed Joel just racing to runover the guy then explain later why he did it.
I heard reviewers describe it as the show trying to make Ellie more independent from Joel which diminishes the impact of Ellie saving Joel for the first time compared to the game in their opinion.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I understand this post, but I also understand the posts that this post is criticizing, too, haha.

Filler is being used very liberally in these conversations, and again, this probably boils down to semantics to a large degree. There are two lenses to look through a multi part story: from the lens of judging it on it's individual merit (be it a film in a Trilogy, an episode in a series, a chapter in a Manga, etc), or the alternative of viewing the entirety of the media as a whole and judging based on that.

Television in particular gets a bad rap for pacing and filler/what is deemed filler by the audience in part due to this whole deal. Movies, even shitty movies, have the benefit of a defined run time, and a guaranteed ending. They are the perfect, fertile little Grove to tell a story within. A television series when viewed with this cinematic lens logically has ups and downs, action and breathers, contrasting vibes to keep it interesting. But if you view it as each episode is it's own piece of media and should be judged by the usual standards of critiquing story telling.

And I'm not singling this post out or attacking anyone on either side of the filler argument, but I will say Chapter fifteen of a book will probably have a tough time standing up to an entire novel. This is a rambly post. Sorry. There's some compelling thoughts in that word salad somewhere. Probably.

Great post! And people have been over using the term "filler episode" since the tv show LOST was on the air. Some people don't understand what it means to build up a character or relationships in a show.
 
Last edited:
Another really good episode. Just wished it was ten minutes longer or so.

At this point the show is knocking it out of the park. My only worry is how they cover the entire rest of the game and left behind in 5 more episodes.

I guess some things will get cut which I'm not completely against but it just depends what it is.

Excited all the same to see how they do it.
 

RaduN

Member
Weak episode, again trying to connect too much with the game plot/scenes and losing the script and logic on the way.

Joel almost killed by an 80 pounds kid? Wtf?
Ellie swearing in every single fucking sentence? I mean, talk about forcing that edgy personality onto the character in the most uninteresting way possible.
The introduction of the housewife-mafia-boss-killer...completely uninspired and bland, just like the actress.
Change Joel with Daryl and you'd be in the middle of another weak TWD episode (or any random episode in the last 4 seasons or so).

Such a difference in quality between episodes. Are there more writers involved? It can't be the same one that wrote the previous one.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Weak episode, again trying to connect too much with the game plot/scenes and losing the script and logic on the way.

Joel almost killed by an 80 pounds kid? Wtf?
Ellie swearing in every single fucking sentence? I mean, talk about forcing that edgy personality onto the character in the most uninteresting way possible.
The introduction of the housewife-mafia-boss-killer...completely uninspired and bland, just like the actress.
Change Joel with Daryl and you'd be in the middle of another weak TWD episode (or any random episode in the last 4 seasons or so).

Such a difference in quality between episodes. Are there more writers involved? It can't be the same one that wrote the previous one.
And I read that TWD had a smarter storyline in season 5 how doctors are considered in an apocalypse, a leader wanting to replace a doctor but couldn't and the doctor doing shady stuff to keep his position but here one gets killed because the leader makes a purely emotional decision. 👀
 
Last edited:

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Well, this last episode was definitely the least interesting one yet. A few cute Joel & Ellie moments, but mostly just fighting some bad guys.
 

makaveli60

Member
What a surprise. You can create an awesome adaptation from a video game without changing core parts of the story, setting, etc. Actually, following quite closely. It’s very good. I have my problems with it because it is of course not free from today’s propaganda but I’m really surprised it’s this good so far.
 

engstra

Member
Definitely did not hit the highs of Episode 3 but was still pretty solid. They definitely needed to show more interaction between Joel and Ellie. This was by far the most video-gamey episode so far in both a good and bad way. Thought the ambush scene was really good, felt very grounded and intense. Roll on Friday!
 

Portugeezer

Member
Definitely did not hit the highs of Episode 3 but was still pretty solid. They definitely needed to show more interaction between Joel and Ellie. This was by far the most video-gamey episode so far in both a good and bad way. Thought the ambush scene was really good, felt very grounded and intense. Roll on Friday!
The shootout was also video gamey, enemies kept shooting like brain dead NPC's despite neither Joel nor Ellie even peeking. Then Joel obviously uses wall-hacks to take them out.


5VnRQwZ.jpg
 

hemo memo

Gold Member
The shootout was also video gamey, enemies kept shooting like brain dead NPC's despite neither Joel nor Ellie even peeking. Then Joel obviously uses wall-hacks to take them out.


5VnRQwZ.jpg
Ellie peaked for a long time. It is ridiculous how she didn’t get shot being that open. Joel peaked like a snail not a mercenary who survived this world for a long time.
 

engstra

Member
The shootout was also video gamey, enemies kept shooting like brain dead NPC's despite neither Joel nor Ellie even peeking. Then Joel obviously uses wall-hacks to take them out.


5VnRQwZ.jpg
Haha yea bullets flying everywhere. Maybe they were pinning them for the 3rd guy to circle round?
 

JMZ555

Member
Episode 4

+ Joel and Ellie relationship building scenes
+Enjoyed some of the visual wide shots of world.
+ I liked the scene of the floor breathing and acting by Jeffrey Pierce

- Ambush/ Shootout scene toned down and game version much better.
- Joel being overcome strength wise by a kid.
- Melanie Lynskey's Kathleen didn't work for me as a leader and with only 1 more Episode she will probably be in, her character needs to make more of a impression. Hopefully end of her story arc is good.
- Lack of Infected in entire episode felt weird considering how far they have travelled. Brief action scene in woods or tense moment would have helped I feel.

Weakest episode of season and was always going to be hard following Ep 3. Still solid and enjoyed though.
 
Top Bottom