qthaumaturge
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I'd better think of:
Demon's Souls -> Sony's money -> Elden Ring
I would bet that:
Demon's Souls -> Gamepass ->
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can anyone give me one good reason as to why console exclusive to PC ports are a bad thing?
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Demon's Souls -> Sony's money -> Elden Ring
I would bet that:
Demon's Souls -> Gamepass ->
Fully engaged
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2 reasons I can think of. 1. It reduces the emphasis on making a game the best it can possibly on the hardware in front of the dev.
2. It reduces the motivation to work as a brand aligned to a product, which could reduce the quality of the games in the long run.
2. It reduces the motivation to work as a brand aligned to a product, which could reduce the quality of the games in the long run.
RaZoR No1
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There are some games, where this does not work
Guilty_AI
Member
Fixed.
Console tribalism/Football club mentality. PC gamers couldn't care less if a PC exclusive game gets a console version. Happens all the time. Today AGE OF EMPIRES was announced for Xbox. Talk about a PC centric game.
Hope they bring controller support to PC just in case.
And also the fact that deep inside, enthusiast gamers know that consoles are a bit of a nuisance (because they are likely to have gaming PCs) so exclusives are required to justify the purchase. They won't be telling you that upfront though. You'll typically hear stuff about single platform optimization, coding to the metal, exclusives giving "identity" to the platform,longing for the good old days,and so on and so forth.
The closest I can find to console tribalism in PC gaming these days are the storefront wars which are equally as stupid.
Hope they bring controller support to PC just in case.
And also the fact that deep inside, enthusiast gamers know that consoles are a bit of a nuisance (because they are likely to have gaming PCs) so exclusives are required to justify the purchase. They won't be telling you that upfront though. You'll typically hear stuff about single platform optimization, coding to the metal, exclusives giving "identity" to the platform,longing for the good old days,and so on and so forth.
The closest I can find to console tribalism in PC gaming these days are the storefront wars which are equally as stupid.
Dynasty8
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I don't even game on PC, but your logic doesn't really make sense to me. PC games sell incredibly well even for their "high barrier of entry". Not to mention PC provides a very large installment base. There are many who play exclusively on PC, not utilizing that is bad business... Potentially losing in millions of software sales.
Horizon Zero Dawn brought in over $70+ million in revenue alone on PC. This was a game that was selling for a discounted price of $4.99 on PS4/5 and pretty much barely being touched on consoles.
Bringing the games out for console first is perfectly fine and I totally understand why they should do that, but not capitalizing the PC market a year or two after a game's release is a missed opportunity. Sony realized this in 2020... that's why they're continuing the trend now.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Itās a lot more expensive to own a PC with an equivalent GPU for gaming. Thatās the point.
Drizzlehell
Banned
People who are interested only in gaming often don't want the hassle of dealing with a PC but this is something that PC gamers will never be able to comprehend so it's not even worth wasting your breath.
I've been gaming on a PC since I was a kid too but there are obvious advantages to gaming on a console too, especially in this day and age.
I've been gaming on a PC since I was a kid too but there are obvious advantages to gaming on a console too, especially in this day and age.
kirby007
Member
agreed just put the disc in and play
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Console ecosystem warriors:
1. Think that everyone will sell their console, pay for a good PC, hook it up to their family room TV and play there
2 Dont like PC gamers playing at better settings
3. Enjoy paying $10 more for the console version as opposed to getting better prices on Steam or GOG
4. Instead of enjoying what product they got, they care a lot about what PC gamers 5000 miles away play on even though they dont know who they are, despite not giving a shit about any competing product for anything else they own like TVs, kitchen appliances, cars or cell phone. But somehow video game brands are a battleground
5. Enjoy doing sales lists wars. Yet when the company they root for wants to expand sales selling on PC, suddenly the sales expansion should comes to a halt
6. Expects special attention from the platform brand because they bought their $400 box. Yet PC gamers who can pay way more for high end specs which cost way more than consoles should expect nothing
1. Think that everyone will sell their console, pay for a good PC, hook it up to their family room TV and play there
2 Dont like PC gamers playing at better settings
3. Enjoy paying $10 more for the console version as opposed to getting better prices on Steam or GOG
4. Instead of enjoying what product they got, they care a lot about what PC gamers 5000 miles away play on even though they dont know who they are, despite not giving a shit about any competing product for anything else they own like TVs, kitchen appliances, cars or cell phone. But somehow video game brands are a battleground
5. Enjoy doing sales lists wars. Yet when the company they root for wants to expand sales selling on PC, suddenly the sales expansion should comes to a halt
6. Expects special attention from the platform brand because they bought their $400 box. Yet PC gamers who can pay way more for high end specs which cost way more than consoles should expect nothing
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qthaumaturge
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Without Sony's money nobodoy would ever know about From Software. They were making their trash games for 15 years before making DS that became a cult.
Guilty_AI
Member
And why would it be different with MS's gamepass money?
TGO
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I think I speak for most PS gamers when I say I don't mind them porting a game here & there so more people can enjoy them.
But the fact they just released the PS5 and their focus has seemed to shifted to porting as much as they can while PS5 owners are asking when the next game announcement that isn't a PC port for nearly a year and half is concerning.
They seem to be relying on 3rd Party to carry the PS5 while they build a PC userbase for a couple million sales.. and I mean a couple literally, which is small in the grand scope of it all.
Their focus should be on their platform, especially in the first 2/3 years
But hasn't been.
I understand what they doing, but not the way they're doing it.
And on top of that with a complete lack of communication and announced games for the foreseeable future, coming out and asking for Ā£210 for a controller and God knows what price the PSVR2 then turning back to see what else they can port isn't good enough.
like I said, I don't what they porting to, just keep the games coming.
which they haven't, and don't say SM2 & Wolverine
Announcements for games from the first year of the console when we're going into the 3rd year isn't good enough.
But the fact they just released the PS5 and their focus has seemed to shifted to porting as much as they can while PS5 owners are asking when the next game announcement that isn't a PC port for nearly a year and half is concerning.
They seem to be relying on 3rd Party to carry the PS5 while they build a PC userbase for a couple million sales.. and I mean a couple literally, which is small in the grand scope of it all.
Their focus should be on their platform, especially in the first 2/3 years
But hasn't been.
I understand what they doing, but not the way they're doing it.
And on top of that with a complete lack of communication and announced games for the foreseeable future, coming out and asking for Ā£210 for a controller and God knows what price the PSVR2 then turning back to see what else they can port isn't good enough.
like I said, I don't what they porting to, just keep the games coming.
which they haven't, and don't say SM2 & Wolverine
Announcements for games from the first year of the console when we're going into the 3rd year isn't good enough.
qthaumaturge
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Simple: nothing like DS ever came out of Gamepass.
THE DUCK
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It won't end consoles, but it most definitely will erode Sony's console sales over time. It's definitely hurt MS console sales, how many times have we seen even on here, "I'll just buy it on PC" or "I have a good PC, I don't need an xbox to play xbox exclusives".
That said they still make money selling games, so there is some reason to support PC as well. The amount it hurts console sales is hard to quantify.
That said they still make money selling games, so there is some reason to support PC as well. The amount it hurts console sales is hard to quantify.
Dynasty8
Member
It is, I agree with that. But that's not as important today as it was 15-20 years ago. Many more people own powerful PCs today, PC gaming has exploded in popularity the last few years.
Which is why it makes total sense to port older (1-2 years) games. Gamers win, Sony profits, fanboys cry.
Guilty_AI
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Of course it hasn't. It has been, what, 2-3 years since they went all in on gamepass? Elden Ring didn't come out until 13 years later after initial Demon Souls either.
We do get developers from time to time claiming gamepass gave them newfound popularity however:
https://www.windowscentral.com/crosscode-xbox-game-pass-has-more-players-other-consoles-combined
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Edgelord79
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Disagree, but I respect your opinion.
Ps5ProFoSho
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Because I'm pissed I don't get some of the amazing PC games on my ps5. The main one I can think of right now being Baldurs Gate 3
Guilty_AI
Member
they probably will release that one on consoles eventually tho
MikeM
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People shouldnāt be mad at all.
Consoles have their place. That doesnāt mean that people with the means to afford a higher end PC should be āpenalizedā simply because they donāt want to be trapped in a 30/60 fps box.
Consoles will not go away. They appeal to a strong demographic.
Consoles have their place. That doesnāt mean that people with the means to afford a higher end PC should be āpenalizedā simply because they donāt want to be trapped in a 30/60 fps box.
Consoles will not go away. They appeal to a strong demographic.
Mr Moose
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The constant fucking port begging is annoying, not sure if this counts as a reason though since you're talking about games that have released on PC.
I guess a reason would be it could devalue the consoles, some people say things like "don't need a console, I'll just wait for the PC version" in Sony's case.
Wait a minute, is this a stealth port begging thread? *shakes fist*
I guess a reason would be it could devalue the consoles, some people say things like "don't need a console, I'll just wait for the PC version" in Sony's case.
Wait a minute, is this a stealth port begging thread? *shakes fist*
DavidGzz
Member
Except for the fact that the console that has zero exclusives is doing great. Console gamers are console gamers due to ease of use and a lower cost entry point. Game Pass is also on PC, so there goes that argument too.
dano1
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The games are over a year old. So why not make more money?
And you donāt understand console gamers. Most have NO interest trying to game on a PC.
Rhazer Fusion
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To be truthfully honest though, the Live Service/GAAS venture Sony is going into concerns me MUCH than PC ports.
I honestly think an abundance of PC ports could make consoles less relevant and even take their identity away. I already hear a healthy amount of people say, goodā¦now I donāt have to buy a PS5 now. They said that with XBOX as well. Eventually I think it will lead to less consoles sold like it did with the XBOX One to my knowledge. Platforms like PlayStation and Nintendo were founded on exclusives and as soon as they lose those, I feel it takes some of the consoleās appeal away. Eh whatever, weāll see how the PC ports affect console and software sales.
I honestly think an abundance of PC ports could make consoles less relevant and even take their identity away. I already hear a healthy amount of people say, goodā¦now I donāt have to buy a PS5 now. They said that with XBOX as well. Eventually I think it will lead to less consoles sold like it did with the XBOX One to my knowledge. Platforms like PlayStation and Nintendo were founded on exclusives and as soon as they lose those, I feel it takes some of the consoleās appeal away. Eh whatever, weāll see how the PC ports affect console and software sales.
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And it's a lot more expensive to purchase a console vs buying gamepass ultimate and gaming on the cloud. Consoles can't self appoint as the value champs of gaming anymore.
And regarding PC gaming,why the comparison always has to be against an equivalent console? PC gaming has no generations.
You can game just fine on a PC with a Ryzen 5600G. No graphics card required. As long as it has 16 GB of RAM, you can buy a mainstream graphics card later and go beyond console specs. Something like 4050 4050ti should do the trick.
Only a handful of games will truly use what the next gen consoles have under the hood. eventually indie and AA games will stop releasing on prior gen consoles so you have no choice but to spend 500 USD or more to play an indie metroidvania on a PS5 that is idling for the most part.
And yet, flagship consoles are delivering better visuals and performance of most budget PCs these days.
Not everyone has their gaming PC right beside their living room TVs.
ProgenitorCastle
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With PC access to console exclusive games, games are less and less likely to use console exclusive features making everything feel the same in a sense. Now is that a bad thing? Depends on why people buy consoles I guess. I personally love when games use console features to their advantage so unless if the PC ports respect the console exclusive features, then that's a reason why console exclusive to PC doesn't sit that well with me depending on the case
AeonGaidenRaiden
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Yeah not sure that will work out if you have to wait 4 years for a PS title to come to PC. I don't think anyone minds that. Console players still get their exclusivity for a long time to actually make it a point of having a console.
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
People have to spend hours fiddling with the HDMI ports in order to connect PC to TV
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Maybe because of the fact that the game came out.....THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO on the playstation before it was ported to PC? Of course it won't continue insane sales numbers over and over especially when a sequel was already announced.
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StreetsofBeige
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Yup.
And what if someone in the house wants to watch TV? Cant do both.
My set up is I do my work on my company laptop and surf the net on my personal laptop on my dining room table. Across the room is one of my TVs. I can use my laptops to work or play games while also having the TV on to watch sports or news at the same time. I almost always have the TV on as background noise even if there's nothing on I care about watching at the moment. I'll just leave it on TSN or Sportsnet.
I think a lot of the PC gamers who use their main big screen TV as their gaming hub are single, or they are a family with a few giant TVs and one of them is his for PC gaming. It sounds impossible to have a family with kids with one good TV and a PC gamer takes over the TV all night playing games while the wife and kids are shut out from using it.
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MikeM
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I literally plug mine in the same way as my PS5 and it works.
Yah but many people has a lot of difficulty when it comes to PC you see.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I really doubt it will take years from now on for most PlayStation exclusives to go to PC. Seems like the release windows are getting shorter and shorter. They said approximately a year for PC ports, but they also said āwe believe in generationsā, so basically things can change. I still think day and date non live service games are coming later especially if they see an increase in sales.
ResetEraVetVIP
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Because it takes the quality away from PlayStation exclusives IMO and most PC gamers have GTX 1060s according to Steamā¦ TLOU II only looked so good because of closed specs and optimizations to the metal by the top notch world class team at Naughty Dogā¦imagine if PlayStation exclusives target weak PC hardwareā¦
nkarafo
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Because enjoying exclusive content, that others don't have access to, makes you feel important.
Here's an example:
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I really wonder though. How exactly does it devalue them?
Here's an example:
Also:
I really wonder though. How exactly does it devalue them?
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Haggard
Banned
This notion that a platform holder would target specs outside his platform will never be not nonsense.
Even if PS exclusives would be 100% day one releases on PC the target specs would always be the standardized consoles and everything else has to get by by scaling up or down.
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Rendered Tangent
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If you are on pc, obviously, there is no issue.
If you spent a few hundred dollars/pounds/euros buying a new console, with the expectation you will get console exclusives, and you then see those exclusives migrate to what is probably a superior platform...well, you can see the problem some might have.
Granted, you wouldn't get those exclusives immediately, the way you would on console, but a couple of years is not a big deal to most.
Personally, I never thought I'd see The Last of Us or Spiderman ever go to pc...and one already is and the other is coming.
I suppose, it comes down to whether getting a console exclusive two or three years early is enough of a selling point?
If you spent a few hundred dollars/pounds/euros buying a new console, with the expectation you will get console exclusives, and you then see those exclusives migrate to what is probably a superior platform...well, you can see the problem some might have.
Granted, you wouldn't get those exclusives immediately, the way you would on console, but a couple of years is not a big deal to most.
Personally, I never thought I'd see The Last of Us or Spiderman ever go to pc...and one already is and the other is coming.
I suppose, it comes down to whether getting a console exclusive two or three years early is enough of a selling point?
nkarafo
Member
You do realize PC games have graphics settings and requirement specs, yes?
When was the last time you saw a 1060 card as the recommended card?
Worst case scenario it's the minimum card you need for low/1080p.
Also, these games never really target PC hardware. The PC ports are just that, ports. That's why many of them are bad, with performance issues even on more powerful hardware.
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Because they are petty (and pretty pathetic) cheerleaders for company. They have sense of pride of owning one brand of console and since they consider themselves part of "exclusive club" they don't want anybody else to experience games they can experience. Not without buying plastic box with dumbed down PC inside.
It is great that Microsoft and Sony are finally embracing PC. Both companies finally realised that there are many people who wants to play "console exclusives" but are not willing to buy another electronic device to do it, since they have PC. Microsoft found out that despite them releasing all their first-party on PC day one, their Xbox consoles are selling at record pace. Sony saw them and wants piece of that pie too.
It is great that Microsoft and Sony are finally embracing PC. Both companies finally realised that there are many people who wants to play "console exclusives" but are not willing to buy another electronic device to do it, since they have PC. Microsoft found out that despite them releasing all their first-party on PC day one, their Xbox consoles are selling at record pace. Sony saw them and wants piece of that pie too.
Neofire
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I love how people ignore the fact that the Xbox division of Microsoft was bleeding money until not to long ago. 4th generation of said console they are finally turning a marginal profit "oh they are doing great"
Neofire
Member
It fragments the player base too then the neglect comes in for the console side. The GoW devs comes to mind, they released that half assed "upgrade" patch for Playstation 5 but Sony put so much time and effort into the PC port that they should have done for their own console.
Unfortunately it's things like that. Hell we really don't know if half of the games coming out on ps4/5 aren't being slowed down in development by PC ports Sony has cooking.
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