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can anyone give me one good reason as to why console exclusive to PC ports are a bad thing?
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SLB1904
Banned
Lol
Are you really comparing thr hassle of emulation with pay and play?
Also no 15 to 17 mil almost 3 years isn't good at all.
Fredrik
Member
Having access to exclusive games is in the DNA of the Playstation platform and the fanbase has mocked other platforms for several generation for not having enough exclusives or no true exclusives.
In short that’s the origin.
Some do like the feeling of knowing they’re playing the best possible version too, goes for Pro consoles as well. And now that means playing on a $4,000+ PC.
In short that’s the origin.
Some do like the feeling of knowing they’re playing the best possible version too, goes for Pro consoles as well. And now that means playing on a $4,000+ PC.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Wrong. Give me 1080p/60fps with minimum input lag and mouse+kb gunplay over 4fauksK 60fps with more input lag and potato dual sticks gunplay.
That's a "you problem", not a PC problem.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
yes. Because emulation is pretty easy. get the emulator, get the game files, install, play
whether you can find those game files is the hard part
and... 15 mil in under 2 years is good??? this is 2022, the xbox came out in november 2020
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Cause it hurts people right in their fee fees.
Fbh
Member
My one highly speculative and probably wrong argument that I nonetheless think could be valid is that it might reduce the variety of games made by console makers and their willingness to make more niche titles.
I've always wondered why Nintendo bothers funding games like Bayonetta which sell like crap compared to their core franchises. And my assumption has always been that it's an attempt to diversify their exclusives in order to bring a different audience to their platform. In a scenario where they go full third party they might no longer bother funding games like that and would instead focus entirely on games to maximize sales on PC/Steam Deck/other consoles.
Or remember when Microsoft funded games like Lost Odyssey in an attempt to appeal to Japan and fans of Japanese fans so they'd choose an Xbox over a Playstation? Would they still have funded a game like that if they were just trying to make something to sell many units on Pc/Ps3/Xbox?.
But again, that highly speculative and ever increasing game budgets as well as the profitability of GaaS are probably going to end pushing games in the same direction regardless of which platform they release on.
The rest is just angry console warrior seeing one of their main reasons to champion their console starting to disappear.
It goes the other way around too.
"If Sony knows these reasons why do they still make PC ports".
And the answer is probably that they figured out that there's a massive number of PC players that just don't want a console and won't buy a console regardless of which exclusives you put on it. But they will buy your games if you make them available to them
I've always wondered why Nintendo bothers funding games like Bayonetta which sell like crap compared to their core franchises. And my assumption has always been that it's an attempt to diversify their exclusives in order to bring a different audience to their platform. In a scenario where they go full third party they might no longer bother funding games like that and would instead focus entirely on games to maximize sales on PC/Steam Deck/other consoles.
Or remember when Microsoft funded games like Lost Odyssey in an attempt to appeal to Japan and fans of Japanese fans so they'd choose an Xbox over a Playstation? Would they still have funded a game like that if they were just trying to make something to sell many units on Pc/Ps3/Xbox?.
But again, that highly speculative and ever increasing game budgets as well as the profitability of GaaS are probably going to end pushing games in the same direction regardless of which platform they release on.
The rest is just angry console warrior seeing one of their main reasons to champion their console starting to disappear.
It goes the other way around too.
"If Sony knows these reasons why do they still make PC ports".
And the answer is probably that they figured out that there's a massive number of PC players that just don't want a console and won't buy a console regardless of which exclusives you put on it. But they will buy your games if you make them available to them
Hawking Radiation
Member
But a capable PC costs a lot more than a console. I'm not talking about the game sales.
Look at the price of an RTX 4090. That's just the GPU. My PC cost me 4 times the amount of a PS5 disc edition and that's minus my ultra wide, desk, chair and other shit.
Also some folks won't want to deal with an OS like Windows and all the headaches of driver updates etc. etc.
For some just throwing yourself on the couch and grabbing a controller is enough.
I only got my PC because stock for PS5 has been non existant in NZ since launch.
And I'm still getting one because I pumped thousands of dollars in games on my old PS4 (library is 100+ games)
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SLB1904
Banned
Lmfao
Why are you lying?
It was an hassle to get breath of the wild to run.
From setting up the emulator itself and all the steps.
Any way I'm out. Need to watch the game. This is pointless argument anyway. We aren't changing history here
feynoob
Banned
That is plainly false.
Xbox games are on PC, yet I buy xbox consoles.
Whoever believes this needs to touch grass.
Not everyone likes to play on their PC all day. Plus couch play is still good way to play games.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
you can, for steam
but for games you downloaded/installed from the internet or another launcher, you're gonna have to use your keyboard and mouse. if you only care about playing the games on a TV, yeah it works... but consoles have a UI optimized for controller only use
I don't think better tv use by itself is a good reason to spring for PC over console (nor is it a good reason to claim that PC cannot work with a TV since it clearly can) but it is a factor.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
to be a bit of a PCMR fanboy here, consoles becoming worthless/ceasing to exist would reduce the amount of brainless casuals that buy every new COD and fifa since those people likely don't have the brainpower to operate windows anyways. Seems like a good thing to me
SLB1904
Banned
Yeah I guess my pc connected to my C2 is plainly false. My couch is a lie
That's a very reductive way to look at it. You lose those brain dead people. You lose investment.
Games are where they are today is because of the competition throughout the years. From Sega vs Nintendo fighting for players.
Dont forget about thst
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feynoob
Banned
Man said AAA pc games.
EA, take 2, Activision Blizzard, MS, Cdpr, and ubisoft. They are all major PC publishers, who make AAA PC games.
Man, you really need to get out forum world, and actually see the real world.
Topher
Gold Member
So....what? Console gamers are going to be suddenly hypnotized into buying/building a $1000+ PC to play games on because the games now exist on PC?
Doesn't work that way. Console gamers will continue to play on consoles because they prefer them. God of War being on PC doesn't change that.
feynoob
Banned
That is the expected response from you buddy.
Most people's pc isn't connected to TV. In fact, it's far away from the TV.
You only do couch, if you are lazy to play it on your monitor, which is the preferred way to play pc games.
Fredrik
Member
This is me too. I have a 4090 PC and I have no plan to get rid of my Xbox Series X. And PS5 exclusives day 1 on PC wouldn’t be any different. And I play on Steam Deck too. And Switch. I guess I’m strange.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
you gain more quality though. a gaming world where everyone who plays games are an enthusiast like you and me would have way better AAA games. gatekeeping exists for a reason, halo infinite, fallout 76, mass effect andromeda, battlefront 2 at launch... they're the result of a hobby and industry that isn't gatekept properly.
When you do gatekeep you get stuff like anime, which i'm sure you like
feynoob
Banned
Look at my broke arse. I can't upgrade my PC, because money is very tight.
I am forced to play on old graphic card.
Unless you are loaded, you can't afford both pc and consoles at the same time.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Because people on internet forums dont have alot of other qualities outside of their choice of console, so they make it an inseperable part of their identities. If your a sony fan, and other people can play those games that were supposed to be just for you, because sony is a huge part of your identity, you feel less special. Feeling less special makes you lash out on internet forums. It helps that its anonymous so no one actually knows who the fucking cry baby is whining that others can touch their precious exclusives.
DavidGzz
Member
PC has always been the best way to game. Most casual gamers still would never go PC. Your consoles will always be safe. Well, until streaming takes over, lol. That's the real threat to future console sales.
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That seems like a you thing then. Because many gamers would rather play games with significantly better visuals. Not to mention that many games also play just as good or better with controllers.
That’s a comprehension problem for you. I’m clearly speaking about people and their circumstances vs ‘PC’ in general.
Many, many PC gamers aren’t able to conveniently output their games to their living room TVs.
I’m not sure why you’ve jumped into this discussion trying to model every PC gamer after yourself.
feynoob
Banned
Quality has nothing with those stuff.
Most of the time, Quality suffers due to bad management. For example, Cyberpunk 2077 suffered heavily, due to the management. Same thing for the games you listed.
Companies know people would pay for those games, no matter what. Saint rows, gta anniversary. They exploit that, in order to release unfinished games, then finish it later.
DaGwaphics
Member
Not just still kicking, but selling better than ever.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
yes. That's why we gatekeep. To get rid of the people who would mindlessly buy those games regardless of if they were good or not.
From a business perspective I think it makes sense to release within eco-system first and on pc later on. But I see no benefit for anyone by permanently keeping exclusives off of pc. My library does not get better or worse when someone else can play the same games as me. And future games will not become better if a platform makes less money from a game than they could have.
feynoob
Banned
Good luck with that.
Remember, you are fighting against idiots with big wallets. There is a reason why we use
term for those people.
Stuart360
Member
There is no bad thing to it, in fact its a good thing for consumers as we get a choice where and how to play.
All the crying is simply console warring, manly due to Xbox getting trolled for years for putting their games on PC, and now Sony are doing it too.
At the end of the day, there will always be PC only gamers, console only gamers, and gamers that play on both.
PC's will still sell, consoles will still sell.
All the crying is simply console warring, manly due to Xbox getting trolled for years for putting their games on PC, and now Sony are doing it too.
At the end of the day, there will always be PC only gamers, console only gamers, and gamers that play on both.
PC's will still sell, consoles will still sell.
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feynoob
Banned
It was a good thing 10 years ago. But now there is really no reason to not release it.
Every game is expensive to make now. And you are expecting to get that money back. And it's hard for 1 platform to support that. And if your game flops, you are losing alot of money. Profits aren't that much, since not every copy sells at $70 price. That means less revenue and less profit.
Games currently cost around 100m to 200m to make. Imagine how much it would cost in 5 to 10 years from now.
Stuart360
Member
RaZoR No1
Member
Most of the physical games mean nothing on consoles.
With day one patches etc. a lot of the physical discs are useless and are there for just having a license.
I own all of the current console (PS5 Disc, Xbox Series X, Switch and Gaming PC with RX 6900 XT) and mainly play on Xbox. It is a fact, if you have a lower installbase, small games will not be released on that said console. Bigger installbase can reach more people. With a small dev team, which one would you prefer? Look at games like Binding of Isaac for example. The devs simply didnt care about Xbox, got the DLC months later etc. Even something like Rocket League debuted on PS4 first and after a year or so Xbox got it too.
Exclusives and the eco system are one of the reason to choose a console or system over another one
1: the games itself are mostly cheaper on Pyc than on consoles, in the long term this could be in favour for PC gamers
2: depends on the consumer: want the best version? PC, want to play early or want a cheap entry into the ecosystem? Console
Of course they will "always" exist, but look at the current consoles. Currently we just have "custom" PC hardware with "custom" OS. The time where consoles were something special in hardware terms is long gone IMO
Steam alone is enough for Couch PC games.
Evem the third party launchers are moving back to Steam again.
Steam and PC MS Store can be used with controllers.
Even beeing able to play all of the old games
FU
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thanks for the info
thanks for the info
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I am not sure it actually was a good thing 10 years ago, but I otherwise agree with everything you wrote.
It might have been good 10 years ago. It also might have been a faulty premise 10 years ago. After all, at one point in time everyone thought the Earth was flat 10 years prior.
Buggy Loop
Member
Woah, calm down Satan.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
considering he had a run in with the robot devil, i'm sure some of that influence must have rubbed off on him
bender
What time is it?
And just like that, it's easy to show that everyone has silly hang ups on their preferred platform.
feynoob
Banned
I think the games were cheaper to make during those times. So there was no profit issues.
Plus the labor cost was very cheap, compared to now.
a multicultural team of v
Member
Thankfully the people who unironically refer to themselves as part of a master race solely because of the plastic box they own would never succumb to this behavior.
feynoob
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Those are good points. In that context it might have been a better move to protect the walled garden at all costs. Not 100% convinced, but I should not dismiss the value of building up a brand when the cost of protecting it was significantly cheaper.
bender
What time is it?
GOG4Life
Stuart360
Member
Because we didnt have walled gardens on PC until Epic started their console style moneyhatting.
bender
What time is it?
Incorrect.
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